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Sonic Origins Plus Announce Trailer, coming June 23rd [12 Game Gear Games, Playable Amy Rose, & more] (UP: Plus content will be DL Code for physical)
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Ah gotcha, that clears things up a lot. I can see why those Advance 1 special stages would be hell under those conditions, lol.
The touch screen controls made them feel so good to play, though! Rush might have my favorite version of the half-pipe style special stages.
The touch controls are good, I was just sick of it up to that point, lol. For my money, Saturn 3D Blast has the best half-pipe special stage.
They're giving Knuckles new paths in Sonic CD!! This is straight up the first hard new content the game has had since it's original release besides allowing Tails to be playable, and the first new level content period.
Kind of fucking amazing.For the first time in 30 years, CD has new areas to explore. Holy shit. And the way they added in Knuckles paths in Sonic 1 were brilliant and didn't compromise the original game at all.
If Amy gets some new paths too this could be poised to be a legendary update for all the games. I'm not expecting her to, but we'll see.
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Great shit. Meanwhile people still ready to lambast these ports for some reason.
They're giving Knuckles new paths in Sonic CD!! This is straight up the first hard new content the game has had since it's original release besides allowing Tails to be playable.
Kind of fucking amazing.For the first time in 30 years, CD has new areas to explore. Holy shit. And the way they added in Knuckles paths in Sonic 1 were brilliant and didn't compromise the original game at all.
If Amy gets some new paths too this could be poised to be a legendary for all the games. I'm not expecting her to, but we'll see.
With both Origins and Colors Ultimate, there weren't really that many major, game-breaking bugs, but the Sonic fan community was able to point out every single one since most of us have played these games a billion times over since release, plus they had older versions to easily compare them to. It always felt like the larger gaming media/community picked up on the fandom-driven complaints and ran with them like "BROKEN PIECES OF SHIT, SEGA'S DONE IT AGAIN" when even at their worst they were very serviceable ports. Thinking of the Game Grumps playthrough of Sonic Colors Ultimate where Arin started out by saying he only wanted to play it, and only the Switch version because of how "broken" he heard it was, and became actively frustrated when the game wasn't giving them any of that easy comedic gold. The idea that Sega somehow fucked up even the good Sonic games was too convenient for the narrative, so it stuck.
Colors Ultimate definitely came out the gate with worse issues, but really both collections are fine right now.
Yup lots of truth here. And people picked up on that narrative and ran with it. Not to mention they heavily addressed the stuff the community brought up with a huge patch, and have confirmed they'll be further squashing anything left in Plus.
There's a vocal group of people that like to act like Origins is just as "broken" *cough* as it was on release when that's far from the truth. Pretty dumb.
Great news. The extra paths added for the new characters in the Retro Engine versions of 1 & 2 are secretly some of the best additions in those games.
They're giving Knuckles new paths in Sonic CD!! This is straight up the first hard new content the game has had since it's original release besides allowing Tails to be playable, and the first new level content period.
Kind of fucking amazing.For the first time in 30 years, CD has new areas to explore. Holy shit. And the way they added in Knuckles paths in Sonic 1 were brilliant and didn't compromise the original game at all.
If Amy gets some new paths too this could be poised to be a legendary update for all the games. I'm not expecting her to, but we'll see.
So neat to be seeing these games getting new official content all these years later.
Aye. Their designs and personalities are just so much better. And I prefer the world vision of the Classics. Modern is okay but I wish Classic got as much love.
They're giving Knuckles new paths in Sonic CD!! This is straight up the first hard new content the game has had since it's original release besides allowing Tails to be playable, and the first new level content period.
Kind of fucking amazing.For the first time in 30 years, CD has new areas to explore. Holy shit. And the way they added in Knuckles paths in Sonic 1 were brilliant and didn't compromise the original game at all.
If Amy gets some new paths too this could be poised to be a legendary update for all the games. I'm not expecting her to, but we'll see.
This is great. As long as the original version is easily accessible, I love seeing these little official "rom hacks" for classic games.
Amy's move set itself isn't more complicated than the other characters in Advance:
She actually uses less buttons for her moves and you could easily modify most of of her moves to remove the B button:
Hammer flip: A during a jump.
Leap: A while crouching.
Sliding Attack: DOWN while running.
Hammer Spin: Down + A
The only move that would be difficult would be the Hammer attack. That's her least complicated move but since it's a ground attack how do you do it if the 1 button is the jump button and Up and Down + A already do things?
Personally I would do this:
Hammer Attack: Down + A (This also launches her into the air higher than a normal jump).
Hammer Flip: A during jump.
Super Peel Out: Up + A (Just like Sonic in CD)
Hammer Spin: Down + A after jumping
(Maybe) Hammer swing: Down while running (Amy doesn't roll into a ball unless put in a gimmick that requires it, but pressing down while running puts her in a state similar to rolling where she swings her hammer while running like she does in the Origins footage after landing from her Hammer Flip. Or you could make this an automatic state she goes into when doing a Super Peel Out)
Then you have something that isn't really "hard mode" but also more interesting. Of course allowing an extra button might make it less complicated. A big part of what makes Amy cumbersome in Advance is that her hammer attacks kill her momentum. If you make B hammer and it has no effect on her momentum she'd be killer. Just run around tapping B constantly swinging the hammer like Alucard with speed shoes.
I am really excited for this release - Knuckles in CD, playable Amy and the GG titles are all up my alley.
The only gripe I have is they're so close to releasing a truly complete (or complete enough, I should say - not including the really obscure stuff like Sonic Eraser) pre-Adventure Sonic collection. My ideal would be throwing in Knuckles Chaotix, Sonic the Fighters, Sonic R, Sonic 3D Blast, SegaSonic Arcade, Sonic Spinball, and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. Throw in a toggle option that lets you play the Saturn version of 3D Blast, and the Master System versions of the Game Gear games that have them, and that's about as thorough as I could ever ask for from a retro Sonic collection.
Hell, if the Master System versions aren't there from the get-go, that's just ridiculous. There are better versions of those games just sitting there! We'll see I guess, but I'm not too hopeful.
The only gripe I have is they're so close to releasing a truly complete (or complete enough, I should say - not including the really obscure stuff like Sonic Eraser) pre-Adventure Sonic collection. My ideal would be throwing in Knuckles Chaotix, Sonic the Fighters, Sonic R, Sonic 3D Blast, SegaSonic Arcade, Sonic Spinball, and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. Throw in a toggle option that lets you play the Saturn version of 3D Blast, and the Master System versions of the Game Gear games that have them, and that's about as thorough as I could ever ask for from a retro Sonic collection.
Hell, if the Master System versions aren't there from the get-go, that's just ridiculous. There are better versions of those games just sitting there! We'll see I guess, but I'm not too hopeful.
One of the big flaws of this game is the lack of true classic versions of each game. Proper emulated ports for the classic version would be great. Hell, just the ability to toggle widescreen/lives/coins would be nice.
Technically speaking, the Game Gear versions are the "better" versions. The GG was later hardware with stereo sound and a lot more colours (64 vs 4096), and it also had more Sonic games than the MS (I think the MS only has half of them). I believe the GG versions of the same Sonic games even have more details and animation in places.
I know this doesn't really make up for the lower resolution and terrible field of view, which makes the games a lot more difficult and look worse on large screens, but I can see why they'd only focus only on the one console.
Of course, ideally Sega should've included access to both versions where possible, just for completeness.
Classic mode is all that turned off. If you wanted lives on, coins off, and wide-screen on. That's not an option.
Classic mode's kinda pointless. It's essentially just anniversary mode but with lives, no drop dash, and no widescreen. It's not really truly the classic roms, i.e. stuff like Sonic still has the Spindash in Sonic 1. It's still Retro Engine.
Classic mode retains the original aspect ratio and lives counter, but I'd like to be able to use lives in Anniversary mode. I think separating them by modes is a bit silly, they shouldve been a toggle in an options menu or something. Once you play the game for like an hour you basically no longer need coins anyway.
I'd just like a definitive collection of the pre-Saturn era games. There have been so many collections over the years, but none that cover everything. This is the closest they've come, as they have all the main entries, but then they don't actually have the original games.
Careful, you'll have people complain about 3 stages (ok, 6 acts) worth of music again ;)
On a more serious note, there are/were some legit issues with the ports but they are mainly fixed now, and if more QOL fixes come alongside the + version, then music aside, they should be in a great place.
All joking and fun aside, I doubt she'll be golden. Only the Hedgeboys have ever undergone an actual physical transformation. Knuckles was just a collective misinterpretation and at best Tails gets golden Flickies. It makes you wonder if the others are 'real' Super forms (Or even canonically achieved by them). In that sense, perhaps 'Only male hedgehogs can go Super' can be seen as more than just a creative guideline.
So Amy will almost certainly just glow, and that's gonna disappoint a lot of people, but it needs to be accepted. Poor Sega peeps probably sweating after seeing Super Amy trend.
Oooor perhaps they'll say "fuck it" and double down on Hedgehogs as a whole being a special race among all other animals, capable of becoming golden Gods (Somehow extending even to robot hedgehogs).
And then bundle it all in a physical copy that includes Sonic Mania Plus and it'd be the ultimate classic Sonic collection
Generations and Forces are technically canon to Classic Sonic too, so of course throw those in too. And the prototype of that weird arcade puzzle game. And Flicky, of course. And the Sonic Jam overworld stage
Every single piece of Classic Sonic!
I don't remember him saying that specifically, and he probably wouldn't until it happened because people would just go wild speculating about who's gonna get a super form only to be disappointed if it doesn't happen.
He got a line about Super Knuckles into Sonic Frontiers with zero pushback (a lot of the script had no real pushback). Funnily enough that line is just vague enough to be thought of as Knux making a joke, as opposed to a referencing a thing he actually did once. Anyway- that doesn't mean the restriction is gone. And again, 'only male hedgehogs' is clearly just a creative guideline for licensed material, not a statement of objective truth. I mean, they tell him there is no money in Sonic's world as well and he still writes the Chaotix bellyaching about getting paid for their jobs. I'm just musing on what a 'Super' form really is.
Yeah with the way classic is implemented, "classic" really should just be a toggle for anniversary mode for lives if people want them. If they wanna go the extra mile, put a toggle for dropdash, spin dash, ect. I know you can toggle at least Spindash in Sonic 1 in the cheat menus, but they should just make it surface level.
Can't say I'm that jazzed about this same group of Game Gear games showing up again. I would've preferred some games that haven't seen rereleases yet like Chaotix or the Advance trilogy but uhhh I guess a whole new generation getting to experience just how garbagetacular Labyrinth and Blast are is important in its own way. But like come on man these games have been bolted onto Sonic releases for almost 20 years. I pray for anything different 😭
Chaotix, 3D Blast, and Spinball should've been easy inclusions, tbh. Even though they mostly suck, it'd be nice to be able to have them preserved in an easily accessible way, especially Chaotix which hasn't seen the light of day since its release.
Lack of Advance trilogy rerelease is a bit ridiculous at this point though. The games hold up even if they're not your cup of tea, and there could be as many as 5 games if you include the Battle and Pinball spinoffs. It'd be a great value and an easy $20-40 release for SEGA. Hell they could pull the same bullshit they did with Origins, release it just with 1-3 at first, then release "Advance Collection Plus" with the spinoffs on it too for $10 more.
They should very easily and should make a collection for the GBA/DS games at this point, I think they deserve their own. I agree with Soap that it's ridiculous they haven't been re-released.
Imagine a collection with
SA1
SA2
SA3
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Battle (GOATed).
Done. And give me Battle and SA3 with online and I'll scream in your face
Imagine a collection with
SA1
SA2
SA3
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Battle (GOATed).
Done. And give me Battle and SA3 with online and I'll scream in your face
That's true. Would be a nice option. Is there an easy way to buy the original Genesis roms on current platforms? I kinda stopped paying attention once I got Sonic Mega Collection/Gems Collection. And... the original carts. And Genesis Mini.
From a marketing perspective, those three games and Robotnik would've put the collection at a round 20, as well. But then again, with 16 they can tie it into the 16-bit era (despite 3/4ths of the collection being 8-bit games).
Sometime i wonder if it's just sega not caring about having a 32x emulator in-house or what.
Nah. On Steam though I believe you can get the originals, and then subsequently you can download Angel Island Revisited after buying Sonic 3 to make it the definitive version. They may have delisted S3, though.
I don't mind the inclusion of the Game Gear games, even if most aren't great. They kind of contextualize the era the classics came out in, and some games are okay to my memory. Sonic Drift 2, Tails Adventure, and at least Triple Trouble are pretty decent. I remember enjoying Sonic Chaos as a kid too.
Switch has Sega Ages versions of Sonic 1 & 2. They have additions (Spin Dash in 1, Drop Dash in both games), but can be disabled entirely for the vanilla experience. Sonic 1 also comes with the Mega Play arcade ROM as well.
At bare minimum the other Mega Drive games should have been priority before any Game Gear ones were even considered. They go with the other games on the collection a bit more.
I'm not gonna complain too much about some extras just thrown in for fun but it's kinda weird the overall ethos of the game being the 4 core games being such wonderful feature rich versions of themselves.... and also here are just some GG roms now lol.
I wanna play the Saturn version of 3D Blast.
I'm not gonna complain too much about some extras just thrown in for fun but it's kinda weird the overall ethos of the game being the 4 core games being such wonderful feature rich versions of themselves.... and also here are just some GG roms now lol.
I wanna play the Saturn version of 3D Blast.
Higher quality renders of the reversible cover art has been released, including the as-yet-unseen Euro version:
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Obviously they're worried about the 70s Russian cartoon becoming the new #1
