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Shawn Layden blames publishers and developers for lack of PlayStation crossplay (Up: Wargroove dev Chucklefish responds in thread - "We were told no")
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They're in first so they feel they can do whatever they want
They don't wanna give Xbox and Switch access to the much bigger PS4 userbase (therefore indirectly improving Xbox and Switch online experience by reducing queue time), and they definitely want people to be forced to buy a PS4 if they want to play with their PS4 friends. The PR was so bad with Fortnite and Rocket League that they allowed it only for these games hiding behind the "beta" bullshit.
In any case, it's nothing we, users, should care about. I don't give a shit about Sony's business reasons and neither should anyone that isn't a Sony shareholder. We need to be annoying enough that they are forced to just allow universal crossplay for every game as a standard feature that requires no extra steps, since small games are the ones that NEED it the most.
Also the Fortenite Crossplay thing was also coupled with the fact that they were locking out accounts to other plateforms if you ever opened and connected the game on PS. So two crisis at once.
That the CEO of SIE isn't aware of their own politics should be more worrisome than he lying if this was the case
Lool i remember being super critical of phil spencer with the same "come to us" spin didn't expect to be seeing it again. The so called "beta" is nothing more than a "hey we support it*(When you're big enough and maybe make mainstream media)".
Although it seems using Epic's upcoming Online Services API bypasses this need of going through the "beta" with dauntless being confirmed for crossplay on all platforms.
Although it seems using Epic's upcoming Online Services API bypasses this need of going through the "beta" with dauntless being confirmed for crossplay on all platforms.
I don't really care about crossplay personally because I don't play multiplayer, but Christ. Sony keeps walking into obvious fucking land mines about this and they seem to have no intention of stopping.
Well to be fair their lying right now aside, they were doing a bunch of PC-Playstation crossplay back when Microsoft was saying no.
Remember the big announcement that Portal 2 PC was crossplay with the PS3 version?
That was PC-PS cross-play, at the time, Sony didn't consider the PC as competition, no one did last generation.
he didn't forget, he knows exactly what he's doing. he's hedging that blocking indie games won't make much noise. he's likely right too. and hey if he's wrong they've got this beta program where they can sweep PR backlash under the rug one by one.
They probably flip it only for Big Names right now like with Fortnite.
They don't need to listen to the small guys because they can't have any impact on the juggernaut they are in the industry.
Playstation holds the majority of players so most people won't be affected anyway with smaller titles.
I mean who is Chucklefish?
Shawn Layden or anyone probably never heard of them and neither did most gamers so it doesn't matter if they don't support it for these games.
Fortnite is something different because its a well known Name and the millions of kids on each platform could have turned against them.
They don't give a fart about these small indie studios.
They don't need to listen to the small guys because they can't have any impact on the juggernaut they are in the industry.
Playstation holds the majority of players so most people won't be affected anyway with smaller titles.
I mean who is Chucklefish?
Shawn Layden or anyone probably never heard of them and neither did most gamers so it doesn't matter if they don't support it for these games.
Fortnite is something different because its a well known Name and the millions of kids on each platform could have turned against them.
They don't give a fart about these small indie studios.
Yup, at the end of the day Sony could easily just come out of this one with "But but beta! Chucklefish is allowed in now! Yay #retweet!!"
Really weird that people are believing Sony's BS response in this case. Things couldn't be more obvious.
Well of course but they still do a fair bit of PS4 + PC crossplay even now.
Nothing I'm saying is trying to excuse Sony's recent behavior.
Just that I feel some people think crossplay is only between consoles and forget about PC having been a factor in this far longer.
I don't care either, the more users online the better. Just trying to figure out its reasoning.
Not sure why it's hard to understand this. The bigger games and partners are harder to ignore than the smaller ones. They don't want to anger the bigger devs, and the audiences are larger and more vocal so they give in to those. The smaller ones are small enough that they think they can ignore them without consequence. Thus the gate keeping of cross play for "select third party partners".
Maybe, but it seems wholly irrational - unless there is another rational explanation for what it gets Sony to open up on big communities and stay closed on small ones. In terms of potential impact on network effects, yielding on the likes of Fortnite and then caring about keeping tiny games closed is like being OK to open up to a tidal wave while plugging tiny leaks elsewhere.
I do get that, I just don't get what it buys Sony to care about the small fish while allowing huge holes in Metcalf's Law to be blown open elsewhere by the largest game communities.
Bummer to here. But congrats on the launch of Wargroove. I'm almost finished with the Campaign and can't stop playing it!
remember when Sony cared about indie games? now they're actively working against those that want crossplay and they made Jim "there was a time and a place for indie games" Ryan President and CEO of SIE. does not fill me with optimism!
I'm sure guys they just didn't contact the right repsentative.....right?.....RIGHT!?
oh wait, forgot about some of the folks who still defend this bullshit in this thread
They dont want full console-wide crossplay to become the norm that everyone expects. Relenting the biggest games that have enough clout to punish Sony publically was one thing, letting every single online game that wants to do crossplay do it to the point that the becomes just another feature that is expected is what Sony doesn't want.
Sony thinks they can keep the genie in the bottle still.
Why are Sony doing this? Just get over it and enable it. You could have done your research way earlier if they wanted to test it.
It's already been 6 months.
It's already been 6 months.
a giant corporation flipping on something that was affecting their business is perhaps the most rational explanation possible
Apparently there may still be some factors in the process of allowing developers/publishers in entering the Cross-Play BETA that Shawn doesn't know about. He clearly says in the interview that he doesn't believe there are any gating factors, but that shows that he doesn't know for sure.
Either way, cross-play is in the beta process on PSN, that's a fact. Whether or not, or when this becomes a standard on PSN is another question. Not really affecting the bottom line for the company so it isn't really a pressing matter to them. They may just announce full cross-play at their PS5 event for the extra kick.
I don't even care about crossplay but Sony keep digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole that they could avoid by just not treating us like children and straight up lying to us.
I'm not surprised at all. This is where game executive worship leads to.
Some people are so used to towing the PR line that even in a situation as clear as this they can't help but believe an obvious untruth. Seems no one at Sony talks to one another.
FFS Sony just open up cross play and move the fuck on.
And for any fans here that believed Sony before the Chucklefish developer talked about it, please stop defending Sony for their bone headed policies.
Tons of people on this very forum kept making excuses about the lack of Fortnite crossplay and how it was pointless to ask for it and Sony is a business or w/e. Now Fortnite has cross play.
And for any fans here that believed Sony before the Chucklefish developer talked about it, please stop defending Sony for their bone headed policies.
Tons of people on this very forum kept making excuses about the lack of Fortnite crossplay and how it was pointless to ask for it and Sony is a business or w/e. Now Fortnite has cross play.
Chucklefish is the publisher of many a great game, such as Stardew Valley and Starbound. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't be so negative to indie devs and publishers alike, because their games do matter ^.^
I wish there was this much noise made about something I actually care about, like backwards compatibility.
Someone get Shawn to tell an obvious lie about why PS1 and PS2 games aren't playable on the PS4.
Someone get Shawn to tell an obvious lie about why PS1 and PS2 games aren't playable on the PS4.
Pretty clear there's a complete lack of communication among Sony on this. Layden is in charge of Sony's studios and it seems like the actual third party relations team is not being accommodating. I hope they sort this out ASAP. I imagine they're keeping it murky so they can block Xbox Live logins for Minecraft but everyone else should be good to go
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Well not until some indie makes a rocket league and all of the flodgates magically open then.
There is a clear problem between what Shawn is saying and what the Dev relation team is saying. This must be corrected to Sony's detriment. Hopefully more outlets pick up on this and Sony fixes this.
Thank you for the additional information.
It is not cool for Sony to throw the ball back to devs regarding cross play.
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
― Friedrich Nietzsche
― Friedrich Nietzsche