Same here!!!!11 Fucking thing SUCKS!!!!!Damn it, my Sabrent only gets up to 5 gigs. Worthless fucking trash!
Same here!!!!11 Fucking thing SUCKS!!!!!Damn it, my Sabrent only gets up to 5 gigs. Worthless fucking trash!
Guys, the sequential read and write speeds don't matter unless all you do is move giant files from one NVMe to another. It's the random reads and writes you need to pay attention to. That's the real speed of these drives. If you don't "feel" the difference in real world application on your drive despite it being rated higher than some other SSD you moved from, the reason will be in the random read/write performance.
Don't let the marketing of sequential performance continue to trick you.
Ah you bought into Intel in 2020? I guess everyone makes mistakes.
Yeah, they seem to be very much like car MPG claims.Guys, the sequential read and write speeds don't matter unless all you do is move giant files from one NVMe to another. It's the random reads and writes you need to pay attention to. That's the real speed of these drives. If you don't "feel" the difference in real world application on your drive despite it being rated higher than some other SSD you moved from, the reason will be in the random read/write performance.
Don't let the marketing of sequential performance continue to trick you.
Ah you bought into Intel in 2020? I guess everyone makes mistakes.
Yeah that's why I just can't get behind the idea of a $399 PS5 or Series X, just makes no sense. I still think we're looking at $600 regular consoles and a $549 Digital with series S being $349 or so.
When was this confirmed? That's not how Cerny described it during the talk. He talked about replacing drives, not adding expansion to the pre existing drive.There's an expansion slot on the PS5, The main drive is soldered on and not replaceable.
Well, the price is very high. Thus prepare to shuffle games around as you can backup them on external SSD or HDD, even thought you can't play them.
Getting a 2.4GB/s SSD won't give you the same performance than the Xbox SSD. 2.4GB/s is the sustained speed for the consoles SSD.2. Microsoft's SSD is only 2.4 GB/s raw, which doesn't even max out the capacity of PCIE 3.0. You can get a 2.4 GB/s SSD for under $200 these days
Yep, 400$ is out of question. The companies wouldn't play chicken forever unless the bad news is the price.
Lmao, true.Might as well buy a 2nd PS5 and spread your games across 2 systems.
It is impossible, because PS3 was a huge mistake, which ate all profits made by PS1 and PS2. Remember they can't sell more than they can produce and if they believe all PS5 will be sold at 500$ than selling at 400$ is a dumb choice. Lowering the price, if your product doesn't sell is always possible.Didn't they lose a ton of money on every OG PS3 they sold? It may be unlikely but it's definitely not impossible.
PC will get some of the goods via Microsoft work for Series X called DirectStorage. I think this will help and imo it's wrong to say PS5 has a huge advantage compared to this SSD, after PC got some of the benefits.I'm happy to read the errors you found. NVMe drives shine with large data transfers, but for everyday usage, you won't find some super duper difference over SATA. It certainly (and currently) makes little to no difference in game loading over SATA SSDs. This isn't an HDD ā SSD situation.
I think games will stay in the same ballpark or get bigger. Devs save space, because duplicated assets aren't necessary anymore. However assets and so on will get bigger.i seriously hope sony and other developers make game sizes small because its gonna suck having to juggle games until the price of ssds go down.
Cerny said that the SSD is on the board and there will be an expansion slot.When was this confirmed? That's not how Cerny described it during the talk. He talked about replacing drives, not adding expansion to the pre existing drive.
Well this is probably marked up heavily since it's still very niche and the market that will buy it clearly pays premiums. I wouldn't be surprised if this actually cost $100 to make, sold at $400 for 4x profit (well minus retailer cut and any other fees)$400, it kind of puts into perspective how much loss MS or Sony will take if they price their consoles at that level. This SSD is not that far off what's in the consoles.
I'm not sure when it was confirmed, but I don't remember it ever sounding like the drive could be replaced. They have an add on slot. The main storage is soldered to the motherboard. They talked about *expandability* via PCI-E 4.When was this confirmed? That's not how Cerny described it during the talk. He talked about replacing drives, not adding expansion to the pre existing drive.
Sony's solution isn't really bleeding edge. It's simply more expensive. They will use better performing TLC NAND modules and 12 channels.To be fair the Microsoft SSD is comparable to SSDs that can currently be bought for about $100 USD on Amazon. It's probably not a massive part cost compared to Sony's bleeding edge one.
Moving from a 500MB/s sata SSD to 3GB/s NvME I didn't notice a huge gain on load times. Curious what is going to be required to get PS5 Ratchet and Clank like load times on PC, can't be entirely down to the hardware by itself or the software.
I highly doubt Sony is ordering 50-100m right away. They need to see how good the PS5 will sell, even thought they can expect the PS5 to be successful. But what if it's not? Let's take the PS3 as a example. Sony didn't order 130 million HDD and if they would have, they would've a big problem.still don't expect PS5 SSD to add more than $75 to BOm ($50-$75ish) since they're ordering 50-100M,
To be fair the Microsoft SSD is comparable to SSDs that can currently be bought for about $100 USD on Amazon. It's probably not a massive part cost compared to Sony's bleeding edge one.
People seem to think that stuff on the disk isn't compressed or that processes don't have to be run?There seems to be lots of PS5 talk here, but what about PCs?
Would boot to Windows 10 finally be just down from 1 sec to nearly instantaneous?
It's an Android Chrome bug. I also have this issue with another Xenforo forums that was just recently updated to the latest version.On another note. WTF does my phone keyboard disappear when ever I hit enter or backspace!
What's the point if this is limited to 1TB ? You have to consider PS5 solution is a 12 channels interface while the Samsung has probably less.
Depending on the type of flash NAND they are using, prices in bulk are substantially lower. I think you can get 32GB of 3D TLC NAND for just under $3, for example, whereas I think this 980 is using 2 layer MLC which is more like 8GB for $2.50. Those are spot prices too; if you're in the market for a few million+ you can get nice bulk discounts from the foundries.I still think the leaked BOM for PS5 and Series X are bullshit due to how expensive some of these components are for consumers.
What's the point if this is limited to 1TB ? You have to consider PS5 solution is a 12 channels interface while the Samsung has probably less.
You also have to considered that you have two controller to use (the PS5 one and the SSD one).
So, if you expected to improve performance by bying a 400$ SSD, I think you will be disappointed.
Well yeah of course it's not set at 50-100M but it's a contract they want because they know there is strong potential for it to hit those marks. The lowest selling Sony home console ever sold 80M+. I'm sure they're getting a better deal than we think and I'm also sure that the SSD maker has some clauses where they get X amount of money should it end up being a Wii U level flop somehow.I highly doubt Sony is ordering 50-100m right away. They need to see how good the PS5 will sell, even thought they can expect the PS5 to be successful. But what if it's not? Let's take the PS3 as a example. Sony didn't order 130 million HDD and if they would have, they would've a big problem.
I don't think Samsung is doing such deals either, because they won't know how much PS5 sells and they are in a good position in the SSD sector. Sure, companies purchasing high volumes will get a good deal. But it's not like Samsung is desperate and accepts everything.
On the matter, I am still at this from the digital foundry article :Obviously the point is to get an additional 1TB of space for PS5 games, for a total of 1.825 TB.
Have we got any information on the matter I missed ?Update (April 28th, 2020): An earlier version of this article said the storage expansion process would require users to "replace the internal SSD with a larger drive". Sony has not clarified either way whether additional storage will be a replacement, or an addition, to the 825GB drive offered at launch. We'll continue to update this article with further clarifications when we hear more.
Obviously the point is to get an additional 1TB of space for PS5 games, for a total of 1.825 TB.
I didn't say PS5 had "a huge advantage" and it's been established that PC will benefit from the consoles getting NVMe drives.PC will get some of the goods via Microsoft work for Series X called DirectStorage. I think this will help and imo it's wrong to say PS5 has a huge advantage compared to this SSD, after PC got some of the benefits.
I don't know if there's been any new info but holy shit if it's a replacement that's the stupidest thing ever. It's gonna be like 4 years before a 2tb version of one of these reaches reasonable prices, half way through the gen we can finally upgrade.On the matter, I am still at this from the digital foundry article :
Have we got any information on the matter I missed ?
On the matter, I am still at this from the digital foundry article :
Have we got any information on the matter I missed ?
Good catch yeah looks like it got taken down, maybe to be updated?I don't see the ssd page, it redirects me to main page.
Maybe deleted?
Having said that expandability of our SSD is going to be quite important; flash is costly and you may very well want to add storage to whatever we put in the console.
Now the kind of storage you need depends on how you're going to use it if you have an extensive PlayStation 4 library and you'd like to take advantage of backwards compatibility to play those games on PlayStation 5 then a large external hard drive is ideal.
You can leave your games on the hard drive and play them directly from there thus saving the pricier SSD storage for your PlayStation 5 titles or you can copy your active PlayStation 4 titles to the SSD.
If your purpose in adding more storage is to play PlayStation 5 titles though ideally you would add to your SSD storage.
We will be supporting certain M.2 SSDs.
These are internal drives that you can get on the open market and install in a bay in the PlayStation 5.
As for which ones we support and when I'll get to that in a moment.
They connect through the custom I/O unit just like our SSD does.
So they can take full advantage of the decompression I/O coprocessors and all the other features I was talking about.
Here's the catch though that commercial drive has to be at least as fast as ours games that rely on the speed of our SSD need to work flawlessly with M.2 drive.
When I gave the Wired interview last year I said that the PlayStation 5 SSD was faster than anything available on PC.
At the time commercial M.2 drives used PCIe 3.0 and 4 lanes of that cap out at 3.5 gigabytes a second.
In other words no PCIe 3.0 Drive can hit the required spec.
M.2 drives with PCIe 4.0 or now out in the market we're getting our in samples and seeing 4 or 5 gigabytes a second from them.
By year's end I expect there will be drives that saturate 4.0 and support seven gigabytes a second having said that we are comparing apples and oranges though because that commercial M.2 Drive will have its own architecture its own flash controller and so on.
For example the NVMe specification lays out a priority scheme for requests that the M.2 drives can use.
And that scheme is pretty nice but it only has two true priority levels our drive supports six.
We can hook up a drive with only two priority levels definitely but our custom I/O unit has to arbitrate the extra priorities rather than the M.2 drives flash controller and so the M.2 drive needs a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from the different approach.
That Commercial Drive also needs to physically fit inside of the bay we created in PlayStation 5 for M.ļ¼ drives.
Unlike internal hard drives there's unfortunately no standard for the height of an M.2 Drive and some M.ļ¼ drives have giant heat sinks in fact some of them even have their own fans.
Right now we're getting em to drive samples and benchmarking them in various ways when games hit in beta as they get ready for the PlayStation 5 launch at year-end we'll also be doing some compatibility testing to make sure that the architecture of particular M.2 drives isn't too foreign for the games to handle.
Once we've done that compatibility testing we should be able to start letting you know which drives will physically fit and which drive samples have benchmark appropriately high in our testing.
It would be great if that happened by launch but it's likely to be a bit past it so please hold off on getting that M.2 drive until you hear from us.
Ok back to our principles.
I keep seeing people say that. Is there a direct reference someone can quote? A teardown pic? Anything other than assumption? I agree it'd make the most sense, but I don't see any proof of it.The 825GB NAND is on the the board. There is no drive to swap out. Any drive that you add will purely be an expansion to the existing SSD.
Says who?The 825GB NAND is on the the board. There is no drive to swap out. Any drive that you add will purely be an expansion to the existing SSD.
It's definitely soldered on. 1) its a completely unique controller design*, and thermally and cost wise adding it as removable would be insane.When was this confirmed? That's not how Cerny described it during the talk. He talked about replacing drives, not adding expansion to the pre existing drive.
The 825GB NAND is on the the board. There is no drive to swap out. Any drive that you add will purely be an expansion to the existing SSD.
I think it's in house from Sony but I'm not sure. Or maybe it's just the I/O solution that's proprietary.Any word on who's actually manufacturing the PS5's NVMe? Micron, Samsung?
Any word on who's actually manufacturing the PS5's NVMe? Micron, Samsung?
Is that a good brand?Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed themwww.tomshardware.com
Damn. That was quick.
LolSabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed themwww.tomshardware.com
Damn. That was quick.
That's exactly what he says, you can add storage to the PS5 through the bay on the PS5. You don't replace anything.When was this confirmed? That's not how Cerny described it during the talk. He talked about replacing drives, not adding expansion to the pre existing drive.
Damn, let the nand wars begin. Pretty awesome since this will help drive down prices.Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed themwww.tomshardware.com
Damn. That was quick.
Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD
Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed themwww.tomshardware.com
Damn. That was quick.
Well, just because it's under the same corporate umbrella, it doesn't mean there cannot be conflicts between the management of different divisions of the company... With such large companies dealing in many products, the divisions may as well be different entities in some regards.But is it Samsung the producers of the NAND chips? Maybe they're having trouble cutting a deal with themselves.