Samsung 980 Pro PCIe 4.0 SSD Family Listed With Blazing Fast 7GB/Sec Read Performance; Up: Sabrent also in the game

Fabtacular · Sep 22, 2020

MercuryLS said:
There should be an option to automatically offload games from the SSD to the external HDD if you haven't played it in X amount of days, that would be awesome. You wouldn't have to manage much, and if you want to play something from the HDD, a small transfer to the SSD and you're good to go.

That's actually a really good idea.

Oh, you know what they REALLY need to do (or at least give you the option)? Always have every game on your HDD. Like, when you "move" the game from HDD to SSD, copy it to SSD but don't delete the HDD copy.

If you don't do that, when you want to make space on the SSD you will have to (1) wait for the SSD copy to write to the HDD, and then (2) wait for the HDD to transfer the new game to the SSD.

But by keeping all your games on the HDD at all times, you can just erase the game you're "moving" from the SSD (without needing to wait for it to write to the HDD), and immediately proceed to transferring the new game from the HDD to the SSD.

bruhaha · Sep 22, 2020

MercuryLS said:
There should be an option to automatically offload games from the SSD to the external HDD if you haven't played it in X amount of days, that would be awesome. You wouldn't have to manage much, and if you want to play something from the HDD, a small transfer to the SSD and you're good to go.

If you're using an external spinning disk HDD, it'll max out around 100MB/s. Copying in a game will take 10-15 mins, so not exactly "small." Double it if you need to swap out a game and copy out as well as copy in.

MercuryLS · Sep 22, 2020

bruhaha said:
If you're using an external spinning disk HDD, it'll max out around 100MB/s. Copying in a game will take 10-15 mins, so not exactly "small." Double it if you need to swap out a game and copy out as well as copy in.

Yeah that's true, would it be any better with an standard SSD through USB 3.0?

bruhaha · Sep 22, 2020

MercuryLS said:
Yeah that's true, would it be any better with an standard SSD through USB 3.0?

PS5 has USB 3.1 gen 2 which goes up to 1GB/s so it could be as fast as that if you buy a more expensive external SSD. Cheaper drives are gen1 which is 500MB/s.

Adum · Sep 23, 2020

Kyoufu said:
Can't wait to put one of these babies in my PS5.

Can't wait to put one of these babies in your PS5 either

tyfon said:
$400, it kind of puts into perspective how much loss MS or Sony will take if they price their consoles at that level. This SSD is not that far off what's in the consoles.

I know how stupid this sounds as I'm typing this, so please bear with me. I read an article that went into a breakdown in depth on SSD/NVMe production and prices. Turns out that they're actually very cheap to produce. NVMes in particular aren't that much more expensive to make than Sata SSDs according to that article - it's just a premium markup because it's the latest tech. I've tried many times to find that article since then but no bueno. I really don't think the high speed flash storage in either next gen console is as expensive as most people think.

Madjoki · Sep 23, 2020

Bunzy said:
So do these ssd's actually utilize Sony's 12 channel system? Or do they just brute force it?

It's 1TB rather than 825GB, so nope. Besides Sony's 12 channels is compromise, not something you'd want to see on high end drive.

Saberus · Sep 23, 2020

headspawn said:
What's the read & write of PS5's SSD in comparison?

Well, the basic speed without any compression is 5.5 GB/s raw, but because of the 12 channel memory internally the SSD needs to be at least 7 GB/s. After launch Sony will test all SSD on the market that with speed like this one.. and certify it. So don't buy until Sony says it good enough.

Bunzy · Sep 23, 2020

Madjoki said:
It's 1TB rather than 825GB, so nope. Besides Sony's 12 channels is compromise, not something you'd want to see on high end drive.

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Vimto · Sep 23, 2020

Where's the 2TB model :(

alphacat · Sep 23, 2020

Would I benefit from speeds if if I have a PCIe 3.0 mobo?

MrKlaw · Sep 23, 2020

Saberus said:
Well, the basic speed without any compression is 5.5 GB/s raw, but because of the 12 channel memory internally the SSD needs to be at least 7 GB/s. After launch Sony will test all SSD on the market that with speed like this one.. and certify it. So don't buy until Sony says it good enough.

I'm also curious about sustained read speeds. How long do they have to sustain 7gb/s to qualify? Quite a few of the really fast SSDs either have huge heat sinks or can throttle heavily after long use.

StereoVSN · Sep 23, 2020

bruhaha said:
PS5 has USB 3.1 gen 2 which goes up to 1GB/s so it could be as fast as that if you buy a more expensive external SSD. Cheaper drives are gen1 which is 500MB/s.

Yeap, I am going to be looking for an inexpensive (relatively speaking) 4TB SSD on sale come this BF. Currently they are $500-600 normally so if I see one for $400, that might be worth it. On the other hand it's the same price as the whole damn console. Maybe a 2TB will suffice.

MrKlaw · Sep 23, 2020

StereoVSN said:
Yeap, I am going to be looking for an inexpensive (relatively speaking) 4TB SSD on sale come this BF. Currently they are $500-600 normally so if I see one for $400, that might be worth it. On the other hand it's the same price as the whole damn console. Maybe a 2TB will suffice.

SATA SSDs don't seem to scale that much better than nvme. I was going to get a larger one for my PC to leave the PCIe 4 slot free until a faster SSD becomes affordable (and when direct storage/RTX IO actually shows a benefit). Although the super fast nvme drives will be more expensive than regular PCIe 3 ones, I don't know if its cost effective to spend hundreds on an external SSD that can only be used for cold storage. May be better to buy a cheaper HDD and accept slower fridge management, or save the money towards a decent sized internal upgrade

StereoVSN · Sep 23, 2020

MrKlaw said:
SATA SSDs don't seem to scale that much better than nvme. I was going to get a larger one for my PC to leave the PCIe 4 slot free until a faster SSD becomes affordable (and when direct storage/RTX IO actually shows a benefit). Although the super fast nvme drives will be more expensive than regular PCIe 3 ones, I don't know if its cost effective to spend hundreds on an external SSD that can only be used for cold storage. May be better to buy a cheaper HDD and accept slower fridge management, or save the money towards a decent sized internal upgrade

There is no decent sized upgrade options though, at least right now. At most we will have 1TB available on Xbox for $200-220 (in US) and prices are sky high on PS5 options.

Getting an external SSD that can cut down transfer time 4-5x seems somewhat worthwile, especially with PS5.

I wish these boxes supported NAS for exterbal storage, and had 2.5gb NICs for that transfer speed, but that's a different story.

sammyc · Sep 23, 2020

BitterFig said:
Live footage of the $399 PS5 DE dream:

This made me smile.

CelestialAtom · Sep 23, 2020

Once there are 2TB variants and at the $200-$250 range, then I will happily bite.

Anomander · Sep 23, 2020

Pre-ordered a 512GB stick from Amazon.de. They don't have any release date, let's see when they will deliver.

StereoVSN · Sep 23, 2020

ShadowKingpin said:
Once there are 2TB variants and at the $200-$250 range, then I will happily bite.

Unfortunately thats 3-4 years off, IMO.

CelestialAtom · Sep 23, 2020

StereoVSN said:
Unfortunately thats 3-4 years off, IMO.

Poo. :( Well, I will do fine with the 825GB SSD on the PS5 until then.

Mr_Antimatter · Sep 23, 2020

I plan on using an external usb-c drive as a stopgap for ps4 by games / backups of lesser played ps5 games till these and similar drives fall in price.

I figure in a year or two we'll have the fast budget drives that game consoles work well with, rather then the bleeding edge performance drives.

test_account · Sep 23, 2020

Adum said:
I know how stupid this sounds as I'm typing this, so please bear with me. I read an article that went into a breakdown in depth on SSD/NVMe production and prices. Turns out that they're actually very cheap to produce. NVMes in particular aren't that much more expensive to make than Sata SSDs according to that article - it's just a premium markup because it's the latest tech. I've tried many times to find that article since then but no bueno. I really don't think the high speed flash storage in either next gen console is as expensive as most people think.

I could see this being possible. The production itself might not be that costly, but they also have to cover all the costs around research and development. And then premium markup as well as you mention, which is also likely due to relatively few units being produced in the early days. But when Microsoft and Sony repsectively orders maybe like ~50-100 million units, the price will indeed come down.

And looking at the GPU in the XSX, which is set at around 12 TFLOPS, which is around the same as a RTX 2070/2080 GPU, and those PC GPUs cost like more than the entire console (i know that TFLOPS is far from the only thing that counts for a GPU, but it can give some sort of indication in terms of power at least). But Microsoft surely isnt paying anything near that (of course, a dedicated PC GPU has much more build material on it which also affects the cost, but still). I wonder how they got the cost down that much though, if its simply due to the big quantities that they will order of the next years.

M.Bluth · Sep 23, 2020

BTW, do you think it's possible Sony will release 12 channel expansion SSDs? Basically the same thing inside the console, only in an m.2 form factor.

Ashler · Sep 23, 2020

Kyoufu said:
Can't wait to put one of these babies in my PS5.

But why? The models are 1Tb, 500Gb and 250Gb. The PS5 already comes with 1TB (close enough to it at least). It seems like too low expansion, double the size.

I suspect we'll need at least 2 more years until this technology and increased SDD sizes will be widely available and affordable.

Kyoufu · Sep 23, 2020

Ashler said:
But why? The models are 1Tb, 500Gb and 250Gb. The PS5 already comes with 1TB (close enough to it at least). It seems like too low expansion, double the size.

I suspect we'll need at least 2 more years until this technology and increased SDD sizes will be widely available and affordable.

It's simple really. I want to expand my storage, so another 1TB will do for now.

Earvin Infinity · Sep 23, 2020

Ashler said:
But why? The models are 1Tb, 500Gb and 250Gb. The PS5 already comes with 1TB (close enough to it at least). It seems like too low expansion, double the size.

I suspect we'll need at least 2 more years until this technology and increased SDD sizes will be widely available and affordable.

PS5 is probably going to be 790~ GB after a fresh boot-up. Adding an extra 1TB expansion drive wouldn't be a bad idea with how large game files are looking like.

Ashler · Sep 23, 2020

Kyoufu said:
It's simple really. I want to expand my storage, so another 1TB will do for now.

Fair enough. Just think its a bit over priced for the value you'll get. :)

Decarb · Sep 23, 2020

M.Bluth said:
BTW, do you think it's possible Sony will release 12 channel expansion SSDs? Basically the same thing inside the console, only in an m.2 form factor.

I don't know how they'll fit 12 NAND chips on m.2

Akai · Sep 23, 2020

ShadowKingpin said:
Poo. :( Well, I will do fine with the 825GB SSD on the PS5 until then.

Prices could go down pretty soon, because there were reports about oversupply and weak demand. Maybe just a temporary thing, but be on the lookout.

TAJ · Sep 23, 2020

BitterFig said:
Live footage of the $399 PS5 DE dream:

This aged well.

CelestialAtom · Sep 23, 2020

Akai said:
Prices could go down pretty soon, because there were reports about oversupply and weak demand. Maybe just a temporary thing, but be on the lookout.

I greatly appreciate the heads-up! If there are 2TB ones at this speed that fall to the $200 range, then I will happily snag one. :)

bi0g3n3sis · Sep 23, 2020

mentallyinept said:
Bumping this thread since this is predicted to be the first PS5 SSD to be certified due to it's read speeds.

Tom's Hardware and others have released benchmarks and MSRPs ($229.99 for 1TB):

980 PRO 250GB - $89.99
980 PRO 500GB - $149.99
980 PRO 1TB - $229.99

Samsung 980 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD Review: Redefining Gen4 Performance (Updated)

Powered by a new 8nm NVMe SSD controller and the company’s V6 V-NAND.

www.tomshardware.com

This is awesome. Those prices for 7GB/s speed is awesome. Definitely XSX SSD is overpriced for 2-3x less speed

MrKlaw · Sep 23, 2020

Do we have published write speeds for either PS5 or XSX drives? Focus seems to have been on read speeds for games, but for things like suspending a game state to SSD the write speed will be important too

Pipyakas · Sep 23, 2020

Fabtacular said:
That's actually a really good idea.

Oh, you know what they REALLY need to do (or at least give you the option)? Always have every game on your HDD. Like, when you "move" the game from HDD to SSD, copy it to SSD but don't delete the HDD copy.

If you don't do that, when you want to make space on the SSD you will have to (1) wait for the SSD copy to write to the HDD, and then (2) wait for the HDD to transfer the new game to the SSD.

But by keeping all your games on the HDD at all times, you can just erase the game you're "moving" from the SSD (without needing to wait for it to write to the HDD), and immediately proceed to transferring the new game from the HDD to the SSD.

all of these options have been available on PC for a long time, yet is only widely used in the enterprise space. With how poor the storage management on consoles' software this gen, I don't expect they implementing tiered storage or cached storage on consoles anytime soon. The last thing you want is to add confusion to the average consumer, the one time they launch a rarely played title and faced a lengthy load time would be a bad experience

alphacat · Sep 23, 2020

Will there be a 2 TB version?

F34R · Sep 23, 2020

ShadowKingpin said:
I greatly appreciate the heads-up! If there are 2TB ones at this speed that fall to the $200 range, then I will happily snag one. :)

demhax said:
Will there be a 2 TB version?

So far, the PRO line is 1TB. The EVO Plus for the 970 hits 2TB. We'll have to see what the lineup looks like I guess.

bitcloudrzr · Sep 23, 2020

mentallyinept said:
Bumping this thread since this is predicted to be the first PS5 SSD to be certified due to it's read speeds.

Tom's Hardware and others have released benchmarks and MSRPs ($229.99 for 1TB):

980 PRO 250GB - $89.99
980 PRO 500GB - $149.99
980 PRO 1TB - $229.99

Samsung 980 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD Review: Redefining Gen4 Performance (Updated)

Powered by a new 8nm NVMe SSD controller and the company’s V6 V-NAND.

www.tomshardware.com

The 250GB version might not be compatible because it has a read of 6.4GBps.

TheMadTitan · Sep 23, 2020

bitcloudrzr said:
The 250GB version might not be compatible because it has a read of 6.4GBps.

It'll probably be a small performance hit if anything. That is still faster than the Gen4 drives currently on the market since those top out at 4gigs a second.

bitcloudrzr · Sep 23, 2020

TheMadTitan said:
It'll probably be a small performance hit if anything. That is still faster than the Gen4 drives currently on the market since those top out at 4gigs a second.

Specifically for the PS5 where games are designed for 5.5GBps internally and 7GBps external drives from the presentation. Having a drive that is slower either will not work at all or break games.

McFly · Sep 23, 2020

bitcloudrzr said:
Specifically for the PS5 where games are designed for 5.5GBps internally and 7GBps external drives from the presentation. Having a drive that is slower either will not work at all or break games.

There is no such 7GBps external drive from the presentation. That slide was about the full bandwidth capabilities of 4x pcie 4.0 and why Mark Cerny stated that PS5 had the fastest consumer SSD available at that time compared to 4x pcie 3.0. He never said anything about needing 7GBps. He did say that whatever SSD you add to PS5 needed to be a little faster but by how much was not stated.

Ra · Sep 23, 2020

Jeffram said:
Great news considering the 970 1TB started at what? $300+?

Crazy how prices are tumbling.

I paid $500 for a 1TB 960 EVO in early 2017.

Ra · Sep 23, 2020

demhax said:
Will there be a 2 TB version?

They said the 2TB PRO is coming by the end of the year.

Deleted member 17289 · Sep 23, 2020

I'm actually surprised at how cheap it is, i was expecting $400+ for 1tb. Definitely getting one.

bitcloudrzr · Sep 23, 2020

McFly said:
There is no such 7GBps external drive from the presentation. That slide was about the full bandwidth capabilities of 4x pcie 4.0 and why Mark Cerny stated that PS5 had the fastest consumer SSD available at that time compared to 4x pcie 3.0. He never said anything about needing 7GBps. He did say that whatever SSD you add to PS5 needed to be a little faster but by how much was not stated.

He used 7GBps as an example so 6.4GBps might not be compatible, we are just speculating until they start approving drives.

McFly · Sep 23, 2020

bitcloudrzr said:
He used 7GBps as an example so 6.4GBps might not be compatible, we are just speculating until they start approving drives.

He did not. He was talking about PS5 SSD compared to what was on the market and how it compared to PCIE 3.0 and PCIE 4.0. The media ran with it because they saw 7GB/s on that slide. I expect anything from 6GB/s up to be compatible.

JMY86 · Sep 23, 2020

Ooooo mama this is sexy, but I would need a new MB and I am not ready for that right now. I will add this to the NEXT YEAR column...

bitcloudrzr · Sep 23, 2020

McFly said:
He did not. He was talking about PS5 SSD compared to what was on the market and how it compared to PCIE 3.0 and PCIE 4.0. The media ran with it because they saw 7GB/s on that slide. I expect anything from 6GB/s up to be compatible.

Oh I see what you are saying and agree that slower drives at 6GBps can be compatible as well, but a 7GBps drive would be a surer bet.

Polyh3dron · Sep 23, 2020

Yerffej said:
Is that a good brand?

I've been running a 4TB PCIE 4.0 RAID 0 C drive (2 x Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB) on my gaming PC since late last year and it has kicked lots of ass.

eathdemon · Sep 24, 2020

even a ssd that hits xsx specs is around 200, so agfain doesnt seem like seagate is over charging.

golem · Sep 24, 2020

Nice benches. Not much real world gain so far. Also compromises to its tech and warranty.

Ocean · Sep 24, 2020

I'd jump in at $300 for 2TB to expand the paltry storage size on these consoles. Guess I'll be waiting for a bit.

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