Rumored specs for NVIDIA's upcoming "Ampere" RTX 3000 series graphics cards (RTX 3060, RTX 3070, RTX 3080 and RTX 3090)
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In raw hardware performance, I agree.
I think the secret sauce is going to be in (a) if Nvidia can indeed merge DLSS with TSAA so that all games can more or less have DLSS and (b) what AMD's RT solution looks and performs like.
It can't be said enough: DLSS is a game-changer in a way that raw performance increases are not. DLSS' weakness is that it's in very few games at present. Should that expand meaningfully through TAA, every RTX card on the market will be able to do amazing things. AMD can't be flat-footed in this space, and I'm not really confident that a pure software solution will be able to match Nvidia's hardware commitment and diligence on all things DLSS and RT. If their solution is very much in that "alpha" feeling stage, it will be a conspicuous hole in their offerings, whether the raw numbers are similar or not.
For some reason, I've been feeling like 3090 = Titan this time around. In which case $1400 would be fine, whatever. Then 3080 and below will be like $50 less than the 20 series equivalent.
But that's just tales from my ass and based on nothing but the weirdness of resurrecting a dead model name and a massive jump in video memory. So it'll probably be 100% wrong.
But that's just tales from my ass and based on nothing but the weirdness of resurrecting a dead model name and a massive jump in video memory. So it'll probably be 100% wrong.
Isn't the Xbox supposed to be closer to the 270S or so? And the 3070 around 2080Ti?
But really it also makes sense RDNA2 should be good from the perspective of the 5700 cards being physically being Polaris successors, despite being positioned as Vega successors. As long as RDNA2 improves power consumption they should be in a good place.
But that's really hard to wrap my head around, because I'm so used to AMD disappointing generation after generation. They always seem to come in with higher prices and lower performance than rumors indicate. And not compete above midrange, which is now like $600.
But really it also makes sense RDNA2 should be good from the perspective of the 5700 cards being physically being Polaris successors, despite being positioned as Vega successors. As long as RDNA2 improves power consumption they should be in a good place.
But that's really hard to wrap my head around, because I'm so used to AMD disappointing generation after generation. They always seem to come in with higher prices and lower performance than rumors indicate. And not compete above midrange, which is now like $600.
We don't really know that the new consoles won't be blown away by the RTX 3000 cards. We haven't seen hard performance figures of either.
When you compare the traditional marketing segments (xx60, xx70) it's a straight price increase. When you compare the price-performance ratio the 2000 series is a disappointment.
The GTX 770 launched for $399 in 2013, and the $329 GTX 970 which launched in 2014 offered 43% higher average performance for $70 less. The GTX 1070 came out in 2016 for the same launch price of $329 and offered 47% higher average performance. Then the RTX 2070 came out in 2018 for $499 ($170 more than the GTX 1070 was at launch), yet only offered a 37% average performance increase.
If I bought a GTX 1070 back in 2016 and wanted to upgrade using my historical upgrade budget of ~$329, then I would end up with the $300 RTX 2060 KO which is only 18% faster on average and has 2GB less VRAM. Nvidia may offer cards from $100 to $3000, but at the end of the day I'm getting less upgrade value for the same money.
Maybe Nvidia has hit the wall and can't do any better, maybe the past few generations were outliers where Nvidia really knocked things out of the park. At the end of the day as a customer I don't care about their excuses. If I'm being offered a worse deal than I was getting in the past, then at the very least I'm going to give them shit for it.
Well, we have enough information to estimate that the Xbox/PS5 GPUs are batting around RTX 2070/2080 levels. APUs generally run around 200-250 Watts (both GPU and CPU portion) that means that AMD has enough power envelope to make a big boi Navi (around 250 Watts+ TDP) to deliver a competitive performance.
For the record I expect the RTX 3090 to be ~40% higher performance compared to the 2080 Ti.
Do we have an exact measurement for the 3090? The Meshify C claims to support GPUs up to 310mm; I thought it was rumored to be just under that.
Think id have to remove my intake fans and im not willing to do that.
Yep. Without DLSS, AMD would need to be offering at least 25% more raw performance than Nvidia for the same price to be competitive - and that's with the assumption that only maybe half of games going forward use DLSS.
So I just sold my rtx 2080 ti for 1200. I am happy about that because I only paid 1k for it new.
I doubt that it would be that long. I think your case will be fine.
I'm sure this was replied to since I quoted it a while ago but Ampere's RT performance is supposed to be much, much better than Turing's. So while the 2080Ti will still have a smallish performance advantage without it, with ray tracing features enabled the 3070 should perform much better.
We'll find out next Tuesday where Ampere's RT performance is.
My cutoff is $1,500, which is an exorbitant amount to drop on a GPU, but if it's for the 3090 and the performance increase is at least 40% over the 2080 Ti without factoring ray tracing, it would be something that could last me five years easily. If I normally spend around $600 every three and a half years anyway it's not that bad of a deal. Not great, but I don't upgrade every two years either.
On the other hand, if the performance just isn't where I want it to be, I'll likely settle for a 3080 since it *seems like the 3080 Ti won't be released until next year so that Nvidia can make those that really want higher than a 3080 in performance now, buy now, and maybe I'll just have to deal with that until Hopper comes along. In any event, a 3080 should be a massive upgrade over the 1080 Ti I've impatiently waiting to upgrade from. It just seems like a waste to me though to drop $800+ on a GPU that still can't do 4K without dropping below 60fps without DLSS. It's fine if you have VRR I suppose, but I don't on my current TV, and I won't be playing a lot of the next-gen games on my monitor.
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Same. I could get the rumoured 3090, but I don't want to change my whole setup for it. A 3080Ti would have been perfect.
I'll get the 3080 and wait for the Ti variant.
Edit: Maybe I'll just wait it out with the 2080 I have now. It's going to be really hard to wait though.
I seriously don't get wtf is going on with these Turing resales. It's like we're mining doggy coins again or something. Makes no damn sense a week out from Ampere.
So how does the pre-order process go with a new lineup of gpus? Are only the FE immediately available to pre-order on the nvidia web store or the partners cards as well in addition on other vendor sites like Amazon etc? How's Nvidia customer service regarding rma?
Production halted, and it's out of stock everywhere. People are stuck at home bored as fuck thanks to covid. Combine the two, you get people paying high prices for used cards.
I'm particularly curious why their resale value is so high in the US. European prices are kinda where you'd expect them at about 30% value loss compared to new.
No monitor. LG B7. That'll need looking at too at some point crikey lol 6700k has been awesome. To my shame I just let the auto overclock on my board do its thing and I don't give it much thought. I'll definitely hold off for a while on the CPU, no problem at all shoving a new GPU in with what I have (shit I've got a 20 year old mechanical HD in there) it's just that new build buzz that has me wanting to rip my PC apart :D
Only explanation I have is people believing the RTX 3090 $2000 rumors.
RIP. My hype is slowly dying. Although I have my eyes on the 3070, so maybe there is still hope.
That and with Nvidia rumoured to be stopping production of the 20 series cards as well.
Seems quite likely actually, damn though the resale value in America compared to Europe/UK is insane.
Buying a used out of warranty 2080 Ti for basically what they cost new...
I get that they're discontinued but is it that hard to live without a ultra high end GPU for 3 weeks or so?
I mean they were doing that just fine but all a sudden decided to throw money out the window?
Even if they believe the $2000 rumors it makes no sense.
"Oh noes the 3090 is gonna cost $2000 so I'd better buy a $1200 used 2080 Ti that's gonna be roughly equivalent in perf to the $500-600 3070"
I get that they're discontinued but is it that hard to live without a ultra high end GPU for 3 weeks or so?
I mean they were doing that just fine but all a sudden decided to throw money out the window?
Even if they believe the $2000 rumors it makes no sense.
"Oh noes the 3090 is gonna cost $2000 so I'd better buy a $1200 used 2080 Ti that's gonna be roughly equivalent in perf to the $500-600 3070"
I know, seems to be going for around 800€ here in the EU, for top end models like the strix that is.
lol send out "leaks" of a $2,000 price, get people freaking out at it and then on September 1st announce it as being $1399.99 MSRP and all of a sudden it looks like a bargain.
Titan is AI oriented these days. It could be based on GA100 with HBM for example and sit at some $3000. Fully expect people to start complaining about it's price because they won't even know that it has no RT support.
Would be requiring an external display controller though.
There are no such "traditional marketing segments". Product names are not an indication of a market segment, only their pricing. If you're thinking that you have to get an x70 because this is what you've bought for the previous 10 years - then it's your problem that you're choosing a name and not the specs/performance.
People don't care if they have the money. What is strange is that someone who got the money doesn't strike me as a person who usually purchase used goods on Ebay. But whatever.
So hypothetically speaking if this DLSS with TSAA happens would that mean all games would work automatically? Even older ones?
Well yes DLSS for all titles with TAA is the seemingly baseless rumor that somebody has planted (and retracted from what I know). Don't expect it and don't be disappointed lol
Not all games have TAA. And this won't happen even hypothetically, due a lot of things.
Has there been any updates on what power cable you need for these cards? I have a 6 pin and 8 pin for my 2080S, is that sufficient or will I have to change?
RTX 30xx series power cable: "It is recommended to use a power supply rated 850W or higher with this cable"
Seasonic confirms NVIDIA RTX 30 series 12-pin connector - VideoCardz.com
The rumors were true. The next-generation NVIDIA graphics cards are to feature a new 12-pin power connector, Seasonic confirms. NVIDIA 12-pin power connector confirmed? A power supply connector has been unveiled on Bilibili. It’s a dual 8-pin to single 12-pin power cable with a length of 75cm...
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2x8 to 12 pin confirmed then.
I have money and I greatly care about it, that's why I still have it, if you throw it away it's gone and it's not coming back, expecially nowadays.
I believe people could have bought a 2070 and waited a whole week if they were so bored, right?
I sold my Zotac 2080ti for €750 (I made a €50 discount as the guy came to my house to pick the card), but the 2080ti(s), even the most expensive ones (like the Strix), are selling for a €800 top, and a very few people want them here (Italy).
That said, I really hope Nvidia delivers an all levels (performance, price, heat), I can't wait for a HDMI 2.1 card, I'm dying for that 4k @ 120hz.
I like the "It is recommended to use a power supply rated 850W or higher with this cable" part!2x8 to 12 pin confirmed then.Seasonic confirms NVIDIA RTX 30 series 12-pin connector - VideoCardz.com
The rumors were true. The next-generation NVIDIA graphics cards are to feature a new 12-pin power connector, Seasonic confirms. NVIDIA 12-pin power connector confirmed? A power supply connector has been unveiled on Bilibili. It’s a dual 8-pin to single 12-pin power cable with a length of 75cm...
That's what I like about the Samsung 8nm node.
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