I mean, we had 4-5 people saying the same thing, it clearly happened/is happening.
Naw, we should go with the non-denial denial of the CEO over five independent sources, he's probably less biased. /s
I mean, we had 4-5 people saying the same thing, it clearly happened/is happening.
Not great, Destiny 1 changed a lot and caused a lot of old staff to leave.Not disagreeing with you, but unless they are with the exact same team, problems during development of a game that was released 16 years ago isn't a proof of a studio being a mess.
Can't say about Destiny 1 and 2 tho, no idea how the development went for these games.
Not saying that. Just saying that a CEO is a more credible source than "insiders" and that we should wait to trust them over a credible source until we see or hear something substantial.Indeed. Always trust those in power / at the tops of organizations, they would never lie and only have our best interests at heart.
Considering we just got another insider saying this is true, and the denial from bungie was very non-specific, i dont know how much i believe bungie.Maybe the thread title should be updated to reflect the denial by Bungie.
Maybe the thread title should be updated to reflect the denial by Bungie.
They wouldn't be a halo factory, Destiny is more successful than halo and has been more relevant than halo. Judging by the games played on their own service the last 4 years at least.I mean, I really don't know that I believe this. Bungie didn't work to go independent just to go back to being owned by the same company that would turn them into the Halo factory again.
I do imagine they've had talks about bringing exclusive content / reverse Destiny deals to Xbox though.
No, there is benefit in Microsoft keeping 343i separate. If you have powerhouse IPs, and a tonne of Talent; you need to spawn off separate Studios/teams whose sole job is that IP. That way you get a team whose every thought will be that IP, full of people passionate about that IP... and your Talent is more likely to stay in-house because they wont feel shackled to a specific project. Because If they want to work on GoW/Halo/ect they get a transfer to that studio. If they no longer want to do that, they transfer out to another studio in-house.In an hypothetical scenario that Bungie returns to Microsoft, does Halo return to them? Fusion with 343?
Sony doing the same thing. It's a business, not like it's a hostile takeover
No, because the size of the game was getting ridiculous. Unless Microsoft put out a stand alone Destiny machine that only played destiny
I blame social media for these clout chasers. It used to be they would just post in a forum like this, but we smell bullshit a mile away, but when it's done on social media we loose our brains and discuss the shit as if there is proof of what ever their claiming. The worst kind are the ones that make accounts here, get a little notoriety, then suddenly their big shit on social media and the clout chasing begins. Fame is s hell of a drug.
Pretty drastic difference between the steady rate of studios over time that have mainly worked for Sony Vs third party Devs with multiple console experience and the aggressive rate at which Microsoft is expanding. Sony aren't doing the same thing. There is a difference.
Also didn't Bungie fight to break away from Microsoft? Why go back?
We really need to stop putting our faith in insiders because 9 times out of 10 it leads to disappointment and getting burnt.
Bungie got Netease money, something like 100 million dolllars iirc? Why would they need funds...
I would say: Sure when you apologize for offending everyone reporting video game news a day after 9/11 but I don't need to apologize for my comment you have done nothing but prove that statement correct. Also you viciously attacked me for that comment back when I made it, I ignored it as I don't argue with incompetent people.
Sure, obscurity. Right. Halos fine.save the Halo franchise from it's current race towards obscurity in the hands of 343i
…yikes.I would say: Sure when you apologize for offending everyone reporting video game news a day after 9/11 but I don't need to apologize for my comment you have done nothing but prove that statement correct. Also you viciously attacked me for that comment back when I made it, I ignored it as I don't argue with incompetent people.
MS would just put Bungie on making Halo for the rest of their existence; especially since 343i has made such a pig's ear of the franchise.
I'm not seeing why Bungie would want this (if they wanted to be bought they would have sold to ActiBlizzard). And I can see the only reason MS wanting this is to save the Halo franchise from it's current race towards obscurity in the hands of 343i.
You mean like Minecraft?Not really. Wouldn't make any sense when Destiny is a multi-plat live service title.
They may have learned the grass isn't always greenerThat Bungie is even entertaining the talks says leagues about how Microsoft manages their studios. A subsidiary that breaks off generally doesn't entertain the thought of going back to an abusive parent. And given that Microsoft has seemingly solved Bungies past Gripes by making dedicated studios for IPs so that the devs that want to can do other things. Its not all that bad of a deal given how things stand.
That said, it looks like Cost is going to be the big thing for now keeping the two apart.
No, there is benefit in Microsoft keeping 343i separate. If you have powerhouse IPs, and a tonne of Talent; you need to spawn off separate Studios/teams whose sole job is that IP. That way you get a team whose every thought will be that IP, full of people passionate about that IP... and your Talent is more likely to stay in-house because they wont feel shackled to a specific project. Because If they want to work on GoW/Halo/ect they get a transfer to that studio. If they no longer want to do that, they transfer out to another studio in-house.
The surprising part is why is bungie even considering any offer after breaking up with them previously and also most recently with activisio and celebrating their independence both times.
I have looked up records and seen who people say is credible. I've done all of that. I've still seen, time and time again, people, especially on this forum, get burnt from trusting them. Even the best have spotty records. Then, when people say that they got stuff wrong and that they're not going to trust insiders just so that they don't get burnt, they get jumped on. I'm not trying to say those people are evil. I'm just saying that, even being careful, there are plenty of times when we've gotten burnt so I'm not going to trust them. That's not antagonistic at all, it's just a careful, conservative take.It really doesn't, unless you believe every single fake idiot who comes along on Twitter.
Which is why putting insiders all together in a bucket never makes sense. Judge people by their record, just like you would any source. It doesn't make sense to say "we should never trust any insiders because some of them are often wrong."
1000% thisI hope we never go back to exclusive destiny content. As someone who played that game on xbox one, it really sucked.
If you think marketing == publishing then boy...I uhh don't really know what to say. You should read up on some stuff.Articles about the very troubled development of both Destiny 1 and 2 and the inability to make big content updates without Vicarious Visions and other studios. Actually they now have a marketing deal with Microsoft, so they really are not that independent of big publishers.
What year is it? It's not 2005 anymoreMS would just put Bungie on making Halo for the rest of their existence; especially since 343i has made such a pig's ear of the franchise.
According to Marty, Bungie hated Activision's handling of Destiny from the start. They even considered going back to Microsoft but Microsoft wanted to own the Destiny IP which was a non-starter. Microsoft and Bungie were never on bad terms.
Sure they would /s
Halo is MS's most important franchise by a country mile. Bungie is the studio that created it. While 343i has been floundering in their attempts to continue the franchise, Bungie has been praised for their efforts on the Destiny franchise (which is essentially Halo GaaS edition).
There is no possible reality that MS forks out the billions of dollars it would cost to buy Bungie for them not to not work on reviving the Halo franchise. None.
Bungie left MS because they didn't want to be stuck working on Halo forever. No one has ever suggested they were on bad terms. Rather they simply don't want to work on Halo anymore.
It's equally strange to see the same happening with insiders tbh. I just hope that whatever is true will come out soon so that we can move on to focusing on the cool things Bungie has in store.it's hilarious to see how eager people are to swallow up whatever some CEO is saying on social media
You expect people not just to read, but to listen as well??If people would listen to the damn podcast they'd realize what a nothing story this is.
Phil plays more Destiny than HaloSure they would /s
Halo is MS's most important franchise by a country mile. Bungie is the studio that created it. While 343i has been floundering in their attempts to continue the franchise, Bungie has been praised for their efforts on the Destiny franchise (which is essentially Halo GaaS edition).
There is no possible reality that MS forks out the billions of dollars it would cost to buy Bungie for them not to not work on reviving the Halo franchise. None.
Bungie left MS because they didn't want to be stuck working on Halo forever. No one has ever suggested they were on bad terms. Rather they simply don't want to work on Halo anymore.
You're being quite naive if you think MS will buy Bungie for anything other than reviving Halo. You don't spend billions on the developer who created Halo only to let the pursue some unproven AAA new IP that may or may not provide return on investment, meanwhile your existing dedicated Halo house continues to run the franchise into the ground.
MS buying any other dev would be for new IP. MS buying Bungie would be for Halo... period. The only exception would be if the Halo IP were so damaged it became basically unsalvageable; which isn't a remotely realistic possibility.
This is a weird take....I would say: Sure when you apologize for offending everyone reporting video game news a day after 9/11 but I don't need to apologize for my comment you have done nothing but prove that statement correct. Also you viciously attacked me for that comment back when I made it, I ignored it as I don't argue with incompetent people.
So Bungie left Microsoft to leave Halo, as you say, but is now entertaining coming back to be forced to work on Halo again? Right. Lol
If they would do anything close to that, it would be getting Bungie employees over to 343 and having Bungie maintain Destiny or create a new IP. 343i is the Halo studio now. That wouldn't change with Bungie coming back.
Not quite. They left because they wanted IP ownership and independence. Have you tried comparing Halo and Destiny and have you noticed how similar they are? How Bungie committed to a 10 year deal with Activision right after? They just cared about owning the IP.
Phil plays more Destiny than Halo
Bungie hasn't made an arena shooter in 8 or 9 years.
you want them to Destinyfy Halo? Because that's what you would be getting.
Get ready for supers, ADS and all the sprinting.
but yeah they see Destiny is a successful platform and they want it under their umbrella. That's it. You act like Don Mattrick is still head of Xbox
This is a weird take....
Was there people offended by him posting news a day after 9/11?
How many days after 9/11 are you allowed?