I think there's a difference between being critical of an admin that sold a forum to a company that profits off of games by toxic games during a time where there's a valid discussion about whether we need to promote these companies and being critical about mods. I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about the former while being respectful to those who had nothing to do with the decision.Full post is great but I wanted to highlight this as it is without a doubt the absolute worst aspect of this forum and community, and this thread is indicative of that. A lot of people here seem to let their blind hate for capitalism, corporations and 'the man' supersede empathy and common decency towards others, which is pretty ironic if you ask me. It's okay to be healthily skeptical but it's too often taken to the absolute extreme here.
Not everything you disagree with has malicious intent, conspiracy or lies behind it. Jesus Christ.
I don't think that adding fuel to the fire in a thread where it seems the staff is trying to calm things down helps things. Just my two cents.Can confirm
Especially the bolded
Nope, they're right actually.
Bold of you to assume we're dealing with adults :)
Yup
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Everyone in this thread needs to read this, honestly.
is that possible right now?MOBA is a Swedish company, they need to comply to GDPR, even for non-eu members.
So, if the users want to be sure their data is completely scrubbed, they have to request a GDPR conform account deletion
Everything you need to know about the "Right to be forgotten" - GDPR.eu
Also known as the right to erasure, the GDPR gives individuals the right to ask organizations to delete their personal data. But organizations don’t always have to do it....gdpr.eu
You should pity mods for the way you treat them, not because they do not get paid.
I love this forum but I do not envy the position of anyone trying to moderate it. It's slightly cynical to show so much concern for volunteers not getting paid when you've made a blood-sport out of painting them in as fucked-up of a light as possible to hurt them.
I respect anyone's right to not want their data shared with, or accessible to, whichever entity, but try not to burn the house down on your way out while crying about how much you love it because no one's buying that crap.
"We want mods to be paid!"
Mod: "Don't worry guys, your data will be protected"
"We don't believe you!" (in a dozen meme formats) "How I do I delete my account?"
So much for respect huh?
Best of luck of to the team, grats on the sale. I'll be hanging around here as long the new owners remain true to their word.
I'm going to try to do something most Era members have never done. I'm going to trust something a mod said instead of trying to make their life a living hell.
I hope the new owners were aware that the site has been bleeding users and communities for a while now before they bought it 🤭How Do I delete my resetter account? Could I requested an account closure please. Thank you.
"Pay the mods, pay the mods!!!!111!!"
>proceeds to bash mods at every given opportunity
y'all ain't fucking slick
There's more than a single person posting on Era, so it's likely different groups of people saying these things."Pay the mods, pay the mods!!!!111!!"
>proceeds to bash mods at every given opportunity
y'all ain't fucking slick
You mean Cerium, right? At least Hecht actually spoke with me back in the community feedback thread about people getting banned. At least I've actually seen Hecht in a few threads. @Hect has been here far more than Cerium.Oh wow, I remember Hecht . Crazy how he disappeared right after the site went live and no one ever heard from him again.
I'm not going to stand in the way of mods going for pay if they want it but I also won't pretend for a minute that collecting pay will make mods happier or more willing to take abuse from some members.
They usually don'tJust asking generally, but do mods usually get paid?
I always thought it was one of those "no but they should" situations. It absolutely blows that some dude gets to run off with the big bag of bills, but there is like no other way I saw that going down lol 🙄
He's still very active on Twitter. So is Shinobi and Zhunge.
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Community Managers get paid but I think they also do social media stuff and press stuff(?).Just asking generally, but do mods usually get paid?
I always thought it was one of those "no but they should" situations. It absolutely blows that some dude gets to run off with the big bag of bills, but there is like no other way I saw that going down lol 🙄
They must be really insignificant for a payout like this.I hope the new owners were aware that the site has been bleeding users and communities for a while now before they bought it 🤭
Nope, mods are generally unpaid. I don't even know if paid mods would necessarily be an improvement, but it is a choice to aggressively monetize a forum so that it generates revenue far in excess of what's necessary to keep the site running. Totally different situation from having unpaid volunteer mods on a project that is not profit-driven.Just asking generally, but do mods usually get paid?
I always thought it was one of those "no but they should" situations. It absolutely blows that some dude gets to run off with the big bag of bills, but there is like no other way I saw that going down lol 🙄
Big oof energy.I do think is extremely hilarious that they managed to sell a graveyard at such a premium price
I'm not going to stand in the way of mods going for pay if they want it but I also won't pretend for a minute that collecting pay will make mods happier or more willing to take abuse from some members.
Thanks for posting this.Leaving my personal thoughts on some of the discussion here.
I understand some of the concerns regarding staying a volunteer when a private company is investing for obvious reasons. I value my work, in general in life, in everything I do. Yes, I love money, but you know what I love more? My time and peace of mind. I can tell you I'm far from the most active mod, team is full of really really passionate people that are every single day caring about keeping this place in the best shape possible and I can't come close to match their quality and quantity of work they put, but even then, I do feel some times how stressful it is, specially when there are some issues boiling up. Part of me feels that these type of stuff is paid-worth, but at the same time... I feel that it isn't. I already have to deal with IRL stress, coming from work-work, personal life, waking up at 3AM to tell the cat to shut up, the mere act of living in latin america, etc. You may then think that if this is a paid job I can replace work-work stress for this maybe, and that's a fair point, but personally I don't know if I'd do it. The first reason I took being a mod is the fact that I like this place. I like coming in here to be part of the community, personally, turning this into a job would just suck the soul out of me. I feel that if I'm contractually obligated to do this the stress would be worse, not better. I have 0 pressure right now, I can take days off whenever I want, I can say "I don't want to be online" and just not be online. The team is the most respectful group of people I know, specially in regards to this, and still does an amazing job.
I appreciate the concerns some people leave here regarding our well being and being, well, appreciated accordingly for what we do, but honestly staying this independent is, for me, worth it. I don't think everything a human being does has to be done for monetary profit, money is a way we can come into terms easily on value so we don't have to dwell in subjectives like time and happyness. But in this case, the subjectives made all the difference. The care the staff puts for one another, the freedom we give each other, etc. It comes with its downsides, as everything in life, but the positives outweight the negatives by a lot. For me, at least. The negatives actually comes from how the internet operates nowadays. The way negativity just floods conversations, how toxic some people become online, and ERA is not an exception to that. I appreciate the lot of people of ERA, who I think it's probably the majority, that tries their best to stay away from that, but the negativity still permeates our site. I am glad I am able to contribute to this site while being able to say "LATER NERDS" if I feel the need to. I don't want to end like mods of social media sites.
Now, can't lie, the thought of doing it for a company does feel differently, but only time will tell. I am a positive person (or I like to think I am), and I think things will stay this way or even, why not, be better. All I can hope is that the community and company both realize and appreciate the work the team puts to hold this place together.
Please help I have been tied to this desk for four years why won't anyone help I promise I'll be good
you can be critical of the staff while also believing they should be compensated for their work"Pay the mods, pay the mods!!!!111!!"
>proceeds to bash mods at every given opportunity
y'all ain't fucking slick
Lol please. Spare me your faux concern, especially as you're one of those people always in these threads stirring drama.I don't think that adding fuel to the fire in a thread where it seems the staff is trying to calm things down helps things. Just my two cents.
GDPR applies to any organisation operating within the EU, as well as any organisations outside of the EU which offer goods or services to customers or businesses in the EU. That ultimately means that almost every major corporation in the world needs a GDPR compliance strategy.
Appreciate your input, like often.
It was owned by multiple people, but Cerium later bought them out and became the sole owner. I don't know who these people were or how many.Gonna post this again, when was Era 'owned' by someone? Didn't it start out as a trust so that there wasn't an owner?
To think of it another way, what other kind of multi-million dollar asset would be grown and maintained by volunteers so the owner can sell for personal profit at a later stage?Just asking generally, but do mods usually get paid?
I always thought it was one of those "no but they should" situations. It absolutely blows that some dude gets to run off with the big bag of bills, but there is like no other way I saw that going down lol 🙄
This keeps getting said, but no, we aren't changing that.Ngl, kinda terrified of the day soon coming when all emails are allowed to sign up, no amount of moderation will be able to handle that, pretty much a hell scenario
They never signed up to get paid or get an equity stake. Simple. They knew what they signed up for.I'm surprised moderators aren't positioning themselves for compensation after this sale. If the forum is worth 4.5 million to a corporation, the work you're doing now isn't for the community. It's for the company's profit margins. They should be compensated for the work they're doing since this forum's goals have shifted from community building to profit building, you don't spend that much money to not make money from it.
Said it better than all the times I have tried to express the same.
I firmly believe, though, that most of the burden lies on the administration who failed to put the right safeguards in place to avoid the development of the toxic Era culture. It's a hard and thankless job, but the policies bred a lot more problems that could have been avoided if they moderated against the right things. Namely, drive-by and reactionary posts instead of anyone who doesn't submit to the forum groupthink.
It was a pretty big eye opener for me when the site finally launched and within days there were already heated discussions and anger about whatever. I always thought because of how things played out and the new forum was born, we (all Era users) would have become somewhat of a close group and talked nice and fought less. I guess it was me being incredibly naive but I always thought we deserved better from our fellow members. And it never got better from there. Luckily there are nice people still around, but the constant arguing and nit picking is something that continues to slowly drive me away.Thanks for posting this.
If people care, simply, be a bit kinder to one another FFS.
It's not hard! Not everything needs to be an argument! Not everyone is evil and out to get you! Everyone who posts on this site just another person like you!
Gonna have to submit a ticket if you want your account closed.Epic grift.
Can someone perma my account or whatever? Not interested in getting my user data sold. Thanks
Well, we know a few things:Would you mind elaborating on this a bit further?
I'm curious as to your analysis regarding your opinion of the valuation and what you mean by "interesting" growth potential.
Thank you very much!
I'm surprised moderators aren't positioning themselves for compensation after this sale. If the forum is worth 4.5 million to a corporation, the work you're doing now isn't for the community. It's for the company's profit margins. They should be compensated for the work they're doing since this forum's goals have shifted from community building to profit building, you don't spend that much money to not make money from it.