Reactions to Joker at Toronto International Film Festival
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Sounds like you think "quality" is some objective scale and people are somehow being unfair by having aspects weighed more heavily in their subjective experience of a film than you would like.
I am no fan of the patronizing way mental illness has been treated in Hollywood.
But that doesn't mean I'm happy with pop culture's point of reference for mental illness being a fucking comic book villain.
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Some reviews literally say movie was tight. Well edited. Amazing acting but too disturbing or the movie is proof society is bad 2/5
they are not reviewing the movie, the are judging it's impact or potential impact on social commentary
The effect the movie is having on these critics is probably more facisnating that the movie itself. And to think most of these critics would consider themselves to be leftists or progressives. They are placing blame on the wrong thing and just validating right wing talking points.
If some outside context affects your experience viewing the movie then you write about it. That's the job of a reviewer in my opinion, to write their experience.
Can't wait for the organized harassment campaigns./s You know they're coming with a comic book movie.
How does Rotten Tomatoes' Top Critics thing function anyway? Always perplexed me.
I'm not really super familiar with RT, who are "Top Critics"? Who gets that label, what is the qualification? Are they international critics, or mainly from the US?
What is the difference between a Top Critic and a regular Critic?
my headcanon is that Lucrecia Martel is still on her Fuck Marvel shit and is now a full fledged Snyder Cut DCEU fangirl.
Can't wait for the Harley Quinn movie in the same style as The Headless Woman
I'm glad I'm not the first person on Etc to notice that categorization.
Danielle Solzman
Solzy at the Movies
September 10, 2019
Joker is complete and utter trash.
Full Review | Original Score: 1/5
Solzy at the Movies
September 10, 2019
Joker is complete and utter trash.
Full Review | Original Score: 1/5
From my understanding, top critics tend to be either long term voices, especially at one particular publication (like Ehrlich or Zacharek ) or are considered a top tier great voice/writer (like a David Jenkins). Also seems pretty focused on US/UK publications
Damn, even with spoilers I kinda want to read that review. If someone who is reasonable person and not some nerd hating on Star Wars or Brie Larson, hates a film, I want to know why. Though "being a disgrace to DC comics" comment kinda throws me off.
Edit: Ummm is that the right link?
Edit 2: Found the review, but she didn't really say anything other than "I hated it because it was bad". Except that the character shouldn't be portrayed in a manner that asks sympathy for him from the audience. She doesn't say why, other than it haven't been done in earlier portrayals. I vehemently disagree with that point, I can feel empathy for Arthur while not condoning what Joker does. And what has happened in earlier tellings for Joker has no bearing on this, it's not connected to those other stories. She also seemed bothered that there's no FUN in the film, does there need to be?
Ah alright, thanks! I haven't heard a lot of good about Ehrlich though. Never read him myself, so can't make a judgement.
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Well....
If you really believe they are concerned about people dying as you claim then their priorities are way better than your pigheadedness.
*shrugs* :/
Carla Renata The Curvy Film Critic
September 10, 2019
Todd Phillips directs violently bonkers, disturbing reimagined, reinvigorated version of one of DC Comics favorite villains with batshit, crazy , genius performance from Joaquin Phoenix. TAlso starring Zazie Beetz, Frances Conroy and Shea Whigham
Full Review
Rubin Safaya Cinemalogue
September 10, 2019
JOKER-a middlebrow impression of highbrow-has a moral compass, and it's pointed in the wrong direction.
Full Review
Top Critic Times (UK) Staff Times (UK)
September 10, 2019
Phoenix, febrile and wiry (he lost three stone for the part), is the focus of all attention and delivers a performance (an easy Best Actor Oscar nomination, if not a win) that sparks, like alternating current, in and out of sympathy.
Full Review | Original Score: 5/5
Top Critic Sara Stewart New York Post
September 10, 2019
It's ... well, not bad.
Full Review
September 10, 2019
Todd Phillips directs violently bonkers, disturbing reimagined, reinvigorated version of one of DC Comics favorite villains with batshit, crazy , genius performance from Joaquin Phoenix. TAlso starring Zazie Beetz, Frances Conroy and Shea Whigham
Full Review
Rubin Safaya Cinemalogue
September 10, 2019
JOKER-a middlebrow impression of highbrow-has a moral compass, and it's pointed in the wrong direction.
Full Review
Top Critic Times (UK) Staff Times (UK)
September 10, 2019
Phoenix, febrile and wiry (he lost three stone for the part), is the focus of all attention and delivers a performance (an easy Best Actor Oscar nomination, if not a win) that sparks, like alternating current, in and out of sympathy.
Full Review | Original Score: 5/5
Top Critic Sara Stewart New York Post
September 10, 2019
It's ... well, not bad.
Full Review
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read the full review. How does this person end up being on RT. Just read thefull review and you will know what I'm talking about
Assuming you mean a narrow slice of critics that say the film is great but hate it for reasons outside the movie, but I'd believe it more often that outside of the cinematography, music, and acting, (which have seemingly gotten universal praise) there are plenty of criticisms that fall on direction and the writing, whether gripes are specifically because of how people feel it handles its subject matter or whether it has them walking away saying its shallow and doesn't say anything of substance about its more provocative elements.
The reviewer just quoted even says in her twitter thread that while she personally doesn't feel the movie takes things far enough to be problematic, she recognizes that others will likely disagree.
Seems real polarizing, with the people who hate it REALLY hating it, but ultimately with more people liking it overall
Trades and more well known sites
It doesn't matter. They're all fucking nerds that write about movies for a living.
Get ready to be called an incel or alt-right if you like it =P
Honestly, this seems like the most interesting movie to come out in a long fucking time. I'm excited to see it.
Seems like the movie is already causing conversations about alt-right, incels, and mental illness (amongst other things). Hopefully these conversations continue and don't get dominated by those supporting the shitheels and those demonizing the mentally ill.
At least those people will eat a ban/warning quickly here :) mods tend to be pretty good at weeding out those rotten apples.
I'm wondering how the harassment campaigns will go.
I'd assume the alt-right nutballs will identify with a man that becomes a serial killer and harass any critics of the film, instead of understanding the character study and why what happens, happens.
Regardless, I wanna see it.
Yeah it's great that it's causing conversation, the topics are important too. But I don't think the discussion is on the right track yet. Maybe it's a flaw with the film, can't say before I see it. But I have an inkling it's more an issue with Twitter and those who use it, to air their reactive takes.
The ones who liked it, really like it; the ones who hated it, really hate it.
Hilarious that people couldnt fathom or understand this movie being co opted by the Alt right. This is them to a fucking T lmao
Yea, it's for sure a worry to have. You don't want art to create a negative force. I hope that it creates more positive than negative. I hope a lot really smart articles discussing these issues come out, even unrelated to the movie specifically. I hope it indirectly inspires more people to speak up.
Underrated post.
Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, etc... all were very polarizing but overall positive.
Unless the film glorifies Joker turning from man with mental illness to serial killer (which I doubt considering the director is a Scorsese disciple)... them identifying with a mass-murderer dressed as a clown isn't gonna win a lot of people to their cause.
who gives a shit what those lames co opt?
yall give them too much power really.
idiots have been using media as an excuse for their shit behavior forever. You start changing things to prevent this and they only feel more emboldened if anything.