does she really endorse slavery? why would we care what she thinks?
don't forget "she only won because her name sounds black", which is a thing people actually said
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Rashida Tlaib boos Hillary Clinton on stage
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does she really endorse slavery? why would we care what she thinks?
don't forget "she only won because her name sounds black", which is a thing people actually said
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or maybe Hillary shouldn't openly bash one of the candidates, lying about them, and expect to just walk away unscathed
ultimately Hillary is kinda irrelevant in 2020 I don't see how a boo does anything but give her the criticism she needed
I'm sure she and the rest of the squad are aware of the attacks the far right is hurling in their direction.
if Bernie gets the nomination, he will lose not because of Clinton but because he has always been a bad candidate. Even with the policies that he has, there are better candidates that could actually win.
Hillary is in "don't give a fuck" mode since this is basically the first time in the last three decades she isn't involved in public office.
People endorsing Sanders are right to snap back when she shit on Sanders.
Clinton has practically zero input and sway in the Democratic party at this point. She is not a leader, she is a black sheep that has been cast away because of the 2016 loss.
People complaining about party unity and Clinton sniping at Sanders from the sidelines are ignoring that she's not running, has little influence on the outcome of this primary and will have even less on the general election. She is a non-factor and there are far bigger fish to fry with "party unity" given the polling done on which voters would only back specific candidates if nominated.
People endorsing Sanders are right to snap back when she shit on Sanders.
Clinton has practically zero input and sway in the Democratic party at this point. She is not a leader, she is a black sheep that has been cast away because of the 2016 loss.
People complaining about party unity and Clinton sniping at Sanders from the sidelines are ignoring that she's not running, has little influence on the outcome of this primary and will have even less on the general election. She is a non-factor and there are far bigger fish to fry with "party unity" given the polling done on which voters would only back specific candidates if nominated.
Why the fuck is ANYONE defending Hillary at this point?
Not only is she a money-grubbing corporatist with centrist takes on crucial issues and – like her husband – a coward unless the political wind is blowing firmly in a direction she can capitalize on but she also more than likely helped her scumbag husband cover up a fucking rape.
And now, as Bernie is looking to possibly take the nomination and give us a genuine shot at a progressive presidency, she comes out of the fucking cave to slander Sanders so her male clone, Creepy Uncle Joe, can give us 'incremental change' that assures he and all his wealthy donor friends keep rolling in the dough.
Seriously, Fuck Hillary.
Not only is she a money-grubbing corporatist with centrist takes on crucial issues and – like her husband – a coward unless the political wind is blowing firmly in a direction she can capitalize on but she also more than likely helped her scumbag husband cover up a fucking rape.
And now, as Bernie is looking to possibly take the nomination and give us a genuine shot at a progressive presidency, she comes out of the fucking cave to slander Sanders so her male clone, Creepy Uncle Joe, can give us 'incremental change' that assures he and all his wealthy donor friends keep rolling in the dough.
Seriously, Fuck Hillary.
Her taking issue with the genuinely horrible person HRC is doesn't mean she isn't aware of the GOP's slanderous playbook.
A total lack of humility and the inability to reflect on oneself.
Obviously and Hilary lost because she was a bad candidate, but that doesn't anyone that negatively impact her campaign for no good reason gets off scott free. Nothing she's doing is positive benefit to anybody hear he has political rivals and lobby groups against him let them do the trash talking.
It was meant as a play on Hillary's idiotic claim that nobody likes Sanders.
Of course there are people who like Hillary. Quite a few of them populate this forum it would seem.
I personally hate their meltdowns, because as pathetic as they are on Twitter, it manifests as coordinated smear campaigns across every outlet's opinion column section.
In a just world, Neera and every other faux intellectual who is given a platform by these institutions would be out of a job. For some reason, they have failed upwards into steering public discourse even though their heads are completely empty. It's the blind leading the blind.
There is bait and then there is just low quality trolling.
It's neither but rather the simple truth of who this woman is.
If you care to refute anything I've written I invite you to do so.
I spent nearly the entirety of 2016's primary season on GAF arguing that Bernie was a horrible candidate, so I'm not ignorant of his flaws given how well versed I became in pointing them out. But I believe he can win in 2020. In fact I believe it's absolutely vital he (or Warren) does.
Why do think he's a bad candidate to face Trump, Lothar, and who are these better candidates "that could actually win"?
Rashida Tlaib @RashidaTlaibMy statement regarding last night:
"I am so incredibly in love with the movement that our campaign of #NotMeUs has created. This makes me protective over it and frustrated by attempts to dismiss the strength and diversity of our movement. (1/4)
"However, I know what is at stake if we don't unify over one candidate to beat Trump and I intend to do everything possible to ensure that Trump does not win in 2020. (2/4)
"In this instance, I allowed my disappointment with Secretary Clinton's latest comments about Senator Sanders and his supporters get the best of me. You all, my sisters-in-service on stage, and our movement deserve better. (3/4)
"I will continue to strive to come from a place of love and not react in the same way of those who are against what we are building in this country. This is about building a just and equitable future for my two boys, children across the country, and future generations." (4/4)
"I am so incredibly in love with the movement that our campaign of #NotMeUs has created. This makes me protective over it and frustrated by attempts to dismiss the strength and diversity of our movement. (1/4)
"However, I know what is at stake if we don't unify over one candidate to beat Trump and I intend to do everything possible to ensure that Trump does not win in 2020. (2/4)
"In this instance, I allowed my disappointment with Secretary Clinton's latest comments about Senator Sanders and his supporters get the best of me. You all, my sisters-in-service on stage, and our movement deserve better. (3/4)
"I will continue to strive to come from a place of love and not react in the same way of those who are against what we are building in this country. This is about building a just and equitable future for my two boys, children across the country, and future generations." (4/4)
9:30 AM - Feb 1, 2020
what's the point of getting angry tho? HRC is and has been completely and utterly irrelevant since her shameful loss to donald trump in 2016. I think it's just sad how she pops up every now and then to talk bad about Bernie. Desperately trying to remain relevant. I wish Rashida Tlaib would do like Bernie and ignore her.
I've been in plenty of Clinton threads over the last five years that I'm at a point where I simply stopped caring what people have to say on this topic regarding her being a political coward or what ever the label of the day is.
I think we're at a point where people just enjoy bashing on someone because it's fun, I think that point is obvious. I think people hold conflicted views of Clinton regarding her status, as they say they want her to "fuck off forever" and never return, but there is obvious a clear enjoyment when she does pop pack up so threads can be made and inner-website conflict can be stirred up again. I think in reality most folks don't really care that much about Clinton, I think there is far more personal motivations driving the reactions we see on ERA regarding this topic that stem back to the last primary/general election. Clinton is just the vessel to drive that community conflict.
That's my take.
so like why are you posting if you don't care
you are just part of the endless back and forth re-litigation of 2016, which are all doomed to be defined by as this century drags on.
be the change you want to see in the world!
I swear you have a few slaves and you're cancelled forever w/ these people.
Well, I wanted to see why Rashida booed Clinton, the context and so forth. Since she is a prominent person on the left I felt it was worth while reading a little bit on the situation, which is why I gave my overall views on this situation, here;
Not sure how you see that as relitigation of 2016, but you can interpret things how you want.
TheLostBigBoss is clearly well spoken enough to defend themself but I will point out your failure distinguish between not caring about a topic and not caring what certain groups say on a topic.
I'm not interested in your generalizations of what others have done being applied to me because I'm not doing this for fun, trolling, or whatever other label you opt to use to dismiss my very valid and provable claims against this person.
I dislike HRC because she is emblematic of everything that is wrong with the current Democratic Party including fealty to corporations, fetishistic devotion to privatizing crucial public services like healthcare and prisons, a continued weak stance on the environment, the persistent lunacy of perpetuating the War on Drugs, warhawk interventionist foreign policy, etc.
So for me, none of the is fucking 'fun'.
Hillary - for whatever reasons - has thrust herself into the middle of these proceedings, perhaps to promote her docu-series at Hulu, perhaps to get even with Sanders (or both) but the reality is she made the decision to jump back into the fray and frankly, that pisses me and other progressives off for very obvious reasons.
Personally, I'm fine never talking about her again but given her recent inflammatory statements, here we are.
People on the Left hate Hillary Clinton because she isn't anywhere near the Left.
My dislike with her has nothing to do with the GOP and everything to do with her stances on key issues for the last three decades.
I voted for Hillary and wanted her to win, but everything she's done after the election has made her extremely unlikeable in my book. She needs to disappear from politics unless she wants to hand trump the election again
I mean, I don't really believe you, but you do you.
Because I am genuinely flummoxed at how people claiming to be progressive continue to stan for this woman.
I think that ignoring her is the best bet. Let them fund raise off of her and get even more popular just like last time. That said, she is not irrelevant at all. There's still a sizable amount of Democrats that hold a favorable view of her, and she is still considered a major voice for the party.
Generally, the same people that lambaste someone like say, Nina Turner, are more than happy to carry water for Hilary Clinton. Despite her Terf comments, history of protecting and associating with infamous sexual predators and at least one infamous pedophile, and her defense of war criminals. That's not even to say that Nina Turner was at all in the right for fighting to keep her friend on, but how some people tend to apply this massive double standard is more than a little hypocritical and grimly telling as to their priorities and concerns.
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Who needs to wait with all the prognosticators that come out of the woodwork to remind us daily that X candidate can't beat him? Never mind those same people are rarely correct in their predictions anyhow come election time. Waiting and seeing is what more of us should just do rather than making predictions rooted in nothing of substance.
If you want to play that silly little chickenshit game I can just as easily rebut that you're obviously not a progressive given that you're indirectly defending a centrist neoliberal warhawk.
But I won't do that.
The thing is I don't know you so trying to tag you as such would be unfair and disingenuous. That said, generalizations rarely work as an argument and tilt more towards the lazy spectrum of rhetoric. I have no reason to lie to you as my politics (HARD LEFT) are readily on display in the posts I've made here, as is my very public dislike of the Clintons, Biden, and moderate Democrats in general.
I voted for Hillary in the general in 2016 and I'll vote for Creepy Uncle Joe if it means getting rid of Trump but my deep ideological differences with moderate corporatist Dems like Hillary isn't something I'm going to apologize for.
Well see, the issue is you actually did just do that.
The latter isn't contained to a community thread. That's the difference.
Yes Bernie and the GOP, the same part as Bernie. The same party where Bernie usually supports. The same Party that always cries unity when Sanders has disagreements with their nominee, the same party where Bernie campaigned for their last presidential nominee 41 times.
Wait that was the Democrats? You mean historical context is important? Who would've known. Maybe it's the history that makes it looks shady did you ever think of that?
My argument isn't about toeing the line and it's ridiculous to minimize it as such. There's plenty of actual political action to be taken that doesn't involve dredging up the same old shit again and again. Booing Hilary doesn't actually equal praxis. Hillary isn't the "leader" of the Democratic party as some posters in here have hilariously claimed. She's just a retired politician sniping from the sidelines. It's just as pathetic of others to keep putting her name in their mouth as it is her to complain right now
