It sounds so underwhelming compared to the 2020 release.PS5 prediction:
$399
8TF
8 core Zen CPU
Navi GPU
16GB RAM
Fall 2019
It sounds so underwhelming compared to the 2020 release.PS5 prediction:
$399
8TF
8 core Zen CPU
Navi GPU
16GB RAM
Fall 2019
Honestly talking no one should hope for anythng special on the services/software side from Sony ...in two gens (and especially in this one ) they are been proved multiple times incapable of any meaningful software improvements on their machine they seem slow and clunky (and no...isn't because their software is already perfect of because they don't need other services)....meanwhile on the opposite side ms rolls out constantly os's updates changing the way how you use the it (just thinking at LFG. clubs or refunds) and adding entire services or pieces like BC.. mixer or gamepass to it....its an evolving system ... menwhile .. the PS4 are the same of 2013.
About BC surely I think that with the PS5 probably having the same base architecture of the PS4 the chance to finally get a sort of compatibility are lots higher ...so I'm expecting this ....but again also on this side ....if you look at MS they was building games using dynamic res from the start of the gen probably because they was preparing for what would be the BC .on the opposite .I don't expect any free improvements on PS4 games running on PS5
Like with the PS4 with Cerny ..sony..could give ms masterclasses about hardware design the position are clearly switched when we talk about software and services...but now Ms have Panay at Xbox and Xbox S compared with the ps4slim and the X with the Pro are already showing that next gen Cerny will not have easy life either
The things is ...the only tangible advantage Sony have right now are their first party exclusive number and quality and better Japanese support (for who is interested) all the other things Ms is well ahead ...hardware/services/network..
I expect both to go really really good next gen ..it will be more similar to x360 PS3 ...than xb1/ ps4
I don't know if that is possible at that price. To reach a good yield they need to be at max the same size the Xbox One X SOCs are. Thats only possible with smaller process node as a Zen CPU core is way bigger than a Jaguar core and for 8TF you need some more CUs than what you have on the One X. I also think for a 2019 release the GPU will be still Vega based. The memory cost is a factor too. The above config screams a price way above those $399 if coming in 2019.PS5 prediction:
$399
8TF
8 core Zen CPU
Navi GPU
16GB RAM
Fall 2019
I think we all agree at the very least the next playstation is coming before the next Xbox right?
See prev post.Aside from championing your favorite brand and a pathetic attempt to troll, anything of worth to add to the thread?
Or price...
If it's about the same die size from PS4 Pro, we can expect ~9TF.
But i dont know how big navi and zen will be.
Zen 8/16 with less navi cores and better clocks?
Zen 4/8 with more navi cores and lower clocks?
Big Soc with Zen 8/16 more navi cores and better clocks, 16GB GDDR6 + 4GB DDR4?
At $399 i can see a 9TF machine.
Overall GlobalFoundries is promising a 2.8x increase in density, and either a 40 percent boost in performance or 55 percent reduction in power at the same performance.
You can say that two cars differ 30% in power .....and it's okYou are wrong. Using absolute numbers as you are is "a way to push FUD", not the opposite. Xbox fans up-playing the X, which looking a the rest of your recent posts in this thread is hardly a surprise.
It is the same in any field where "comparison of power" applies. How fast does a 150hp car go round a track, compared to a 50hp one? Is the difference the same when comparing an 500hp car to a 600hp?
PS5 prediction:
$399
8TF
8 core Zen CPU
Navi GPU
16GB RAM
Fall 2019
You can say that two cars differ 30% in power .....and it's ok
At the same time ..saying.....that both group of consoles xb1/PS4 and Xbox/pro differ +or- the same % ..is an useless comparation also if right in theory.. is done just to downplay the real difference
The difference in tf between x and pro is 4 times the difference between xb1 and PS4...
to design a 3d cube on a screen you need a certain power ....this power don't grow up exponentially when % become bigger ...
Also if the % are the same we know that with a 1.8 console (PS4) you can run uncharted 4
With the difference between xb1 and PS4 (0.5tf) you can't run uncharted 4
The difference between X and Pro is big enough to run an entire unchared 4
% are relatives saying that there's the same differences is silly and misleading
Been reading that comment over and over again. The verbosity is just too much for me to get an idea of what his thesis even is anymore...
Ok it will obviously be the fault of my English .... because it's basic math
I think we all agree at the very least the next playstation is coming before the next Xbox right?
Ok it will obviously be the fault of my English .... because it's basic math
The trick of relative percentages is very common and is often used to magnify results that are actually quite modest.
Imagine having four water tanks divided into two groups.....now let's pretend that to satisfy the thirst of a person you need 1 liter of water
In the first group we have the first tanks of 1400 liters the second adi 1800 liters
with the difference you satisfy the thirst of 500 people
In the second group we have two tanks of 4200 liters and 6000 liters with the difference you will satisfy 1800 people
say (although correctly) that the differences in% between the tanks and 'the same is misleading because with the difference in value obtained in the second group you can meet much more needs ...
Percentages are relative .... just this
It is correct to state a difference in% between xb1 and ps4
It is correct to state a difference in% between xbx and ps4pro
compare the two groups hoping to make it clear that the value that separates them is the same is wrong
It's not your English.
It's your faulty assumption that an increase in flops provides a linear increase in graphics, equivalent to "satisfying thirsty people". It does not. It's very obvious and your use of the absolute difference is downplaying the underperformance of the Xbox One and overstating the advantage of the One X... which given your clear brand preferences shouldn't come as a surprise, but it is grating - much like someone adamantly arguing that 2+2 = potato.
If the PS5 and Xbox Two come out in Fall 2021 at 25 TF and 26.84TF respectively, all else being equal you will barely be able to tell them apart and the "whole PS4's worth of power capable of running Uncharted 4" will be basically a rounding error for the most part only observable in benchmarks and not some huge gulf in performance that people referring to accurately as "7%" are "downplaying".
context the ps4 was very under powered for its release. most gamming pcs were 760s or 770s. the ps4 has a equ to a 750ti. the ps4pro is a 970. I think a ps5 will release with a 1150 equ, or about a 1070, which is my reason for saying between 8 and 10 tfps.To people saying 8tf :
So jump between ps4 to PS4 pro will be bigger than jump from PS4 pro to ps5?
That doesn't make sense . If we keep the same jump ps5 will be 10 TF.
Ps4 *2.3= ps4 pro
PS4 pro* 2.3 = 10 TF
I don't know if that is possible at that price. To reach a good yield they need to be at max the same size the Xbox One X SOCs are. Thats only possible with smaller process node as a Zen CPU core is way bigger than a Jaguar core and for 8TF you need some more CUs than what you have on the One X. I also think for a 2019 release the GPU will be still Vega based. The memory cost is a factor too. The above config screams a price way above those $399 if coming in 2019.
[/QUOTE]Show your workings / sources please.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/iedm-2017-globalfoundries-announces-7nm-chipmaking-process/
So, if you scaled up a 7nm PS4 Pro APU to the same size it is right now, adding nothing but extra GPU:
4.2 * 2.8 = 11.7 TF
boost the clocks by 40%, since that is what is claimed.
4.2 * 2.8 * 1.4 = 16.4TF
Obviously it won't be that. They will use larger Zen cores instead of Jags. They'd probably prefer a smaller die than piling on so many CUs. Other things will be different. they may prefer to take the power reduction over boosted clocks.
But no, 9TF is not realistic at all for a full-sized die at 7nm in my opinion.
than you will be waiting til the ps6, also the xb1 cpu per core performance is worse than the 360, but makes up for it by having way more cores.Not really interested in a xb1 > xb1x level of upgrade. I want a Xbox > 360 level of a jump.
Quote happy with my x1x at this point.
Not really interested in a xb1 > xb1x level of upgrade. I want a Xbox > 360 level of a jump.
Quote happy with my x1x at this point.
I'm not saying that...I'm in fact saying that if the next PS5 and XB2 will differ of + or - 30% the gulf can't be compared with the difference between the same + or - 30% of the xb1 and PS4 ...acting like ..."oh is the same difference all over again"It's not your English.
It's your faulty assumption that an increase in flops provides a linear increase in graphics, equivalent to "satisfying thirsty people". It does not. It's very obvious and your use of the absolute difference is downplaying the underperformance of the Xbox One and overstating the advantage of the One X... which given your clear brand preferences shouldn't come as a surprise, but it is grating - much like someone adamantly arguing that 2+2 = potato.
If the PS5 and Xbox Two come out in Fall 2021 at 25 TF and 26.84TF respectively, all else being equal you will barely be able to tell them apart and the "whole PS4's worth of power capable of running Uncharted 4" will be basically a rounding error for the most part only observable in benchmarks and not some huge gulf in performance that people referring to accurately as "7%" are "downplaying".
I want Sony and Microsoft to both take their time. There is no need for rushing into things. Let this generation play out.
I would rather see 3nm than 7nm to be honest. Moving from 16nm to 3nm would be a huge jump and well worth the advancement by that point.
The PC at this rate is too expensive to even entertain right now. Even the wealthy don't stay wealthy by wasting money.
I just don't want to see Sony make some silly mistakes by launching early and being expensive.
Honestly talking no one should hope for anythng special on the services/software side from Sony ...in two gens (and especially in this one ) they are been proved multiple times incapable of any meaningful software improvements on their machine they seem slow and clunky (and no...isn't because their software is already perfect of because they don't need other services)....meanwhile on the opposite side ms rolls out constantly os's updates changing the way how you use the it (just thinking at LFG. clubs or refunds) and adding entire services or pieces like BC.. mixer or gamepass to it....its an evolving system ... menwhile .. the PS4 are the same of 2013.
I don't think that saying that on software side sony (os) is being less than agile is a mistake really..like is not a mistake saying that Ms is lacking dangerously on first party side.....why have to be correct to say one..shitting on ms studio capabilities and not the other kyoufu? It's really evident the advantage both company have and their respective strenghts ...you think that Sony can be compared with Ms on that side?..what Sony did of meaningful this 5 years...a part from stability patches...folders?Man, this is such garbage. I don't want to bring in the old country crap into this but you were banned for a good reason, Kayle.
I don't think that saying that on software side sony (os) is being less than agile is a mistake really..like is not a mistake saying that Ms is lacking dangerously on first party side.....why have to be correct to say one and not the other kyoufu? It's really evident the advantage both company have and their respective strenghts ...you think that Sony can be compared with Ms on that side?
this was a PS5 only thread .last week all of a sudden the title changed to PS5 and XBX2Can we get a new PS5 only thread after the first batch of meaningful information leaks?
3nm is expected in 2022/23
It makes sense to wait until possibly the last node shrink and would be better from a customer POV.Also waiting for 3nm would be a better generational leap and last longer.
But console manufacturers may want to release 2019/20 with 7nm and do another mid gen refresh at 3nm.
Honestly talking no one should hope for anythng special on the services/software side from Sony ...in two gens (and especially in this one ) they are been proved multiple times incapable of any meaningful software improvements on their machine they seem slow and clunky (and no...isn't because their software is already perfect of because they don't need other services)....meanwhile on the opposite side ms rolls out constantly os's updates changing the way how you use the it (just thinking at LFG. clubs or refunds) and adding entire services or pieces like BC.. mixer or gamepass to it....its an evolving system ... menwhile .. the PS4 are the same of 2013.
I'm not saying that...I'm in fact saying that if the next PS5 and XB2 will differ of + or - 30% the gulf can't be compared with the difference between the same + or - 30% of the xb1 and PS4 ...acting like ..."oh is the same difference all over again"
That's math and not brand loyalty as u wanna make it appear
PS5 and Xbx2 will be 7nmI had read somewhere it was going to be around 2020/2021. Don't ask me where I read it because I don't remember.
Remember, the mid-gen refreshes just play games made for the originals with higher-end visuals and sometimes better framerates. Actual next-gen consoles won't just bring a visual jump, they will use Zen CPUs to create games not possible on the current consoles. 60fps may also be more common but that's down to developer preference.
Difference between PS4 to PS4 pro is ~2.4 TF. If the PS5 is 8TF the difference would be 3.8 TF, why are we getting into multipliers?To people saying 8tf :
So jump between ps4 to PS4 pro will be bigger than jump from PS4 pro to ps5?
That doesn't make sense . If we keep the same jump ps5 will be 10 TF.
Ps4 *2.3= ps4 pro
PS4 pro* 2.3 = 10 TF
PS5 and Xbx2 will be 7nm
PS5 pro and XBX2X will be 3nm
no point in waiting .
7nm is here beginning of 2019 .
Why do we need these other consoles exactly? PS5 Pro and Xbox 2X? Just get the specs right the first time and we won't need anything else.
Besides, we have 4K now, 8K can wait.
No.I don't think that saying that on software side sony (os) is being less than agile is a mistake really..like is not a mistake saying that Ms is lacking dangerously on first party side.....why have to be correct to say one..shitting on ms studio capabilities and not the other kyoufu? It's really evident the advantage both company have and their respective strenghts ...you think that Sony can be compared with Ms on that side?..what Sony did of meaningful this 5 years...a part from stability patches...folders?
And just to let you know ..I been banned before the reveal admitting that the new Kinect had (and still hav3) better tech behind it than the PS4 camera
Basically a true fact...never get unbanned and none of the mods said "sorry you was right " but that was sonygaf...here the things are differents...let's forget that ridiculous place one time for all
PS4 OS runs on one core, with some shared resources [for OS apps] running on 2nd core.
this was a PS5 only thread .last week all of a sudden the title changed to PS5 and XBX2
PS5 and Xbx2 will be 7nm
PS5 pro and XBX2X will be 3nm
no point in waiting .
7nm is here beginning of 2019 .
No.
You saying the PS4 is the same in 2018 as in 2013 is obvious BS and trollish behavior.
this was a PS5 only thread .last week all of a sudden the title changed to PS5 and XBX2
I agree, i don't want to read xbox fanboy's bullshit in a topic dedicated to next-gen playstation.Very odd that the title was changed to includ XBX2 because I personally have no interest in the XBX2 and also, why can't people discuss Sony's console alone as a topic? Weird.
The prediction I was referring to had 8 physical cores. About Zen mobile variants, I am not aware that the footprint is drastically different compared to the desktop variants. To my knowledge the reduction in TDP in the mobile variants is achieved by much lower frequencies and a more aggressive power management.Wont next gen consoles be using mobile ryzen? And a 4 core mobile variant should not be much larger then the 2 jaguar clusters?