Lot of miscalculation here (by the Democratic Party). November is going to be awful. The years after will be worse…
Protests at Columbia University continue as groups on both sides of the aisle call for action to be taken, university shifts to hybrid classes
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I truly hope Biden isn't irrational enough to play chicken with the American people this November. To wager he can support Israel's genocide and still win the election that will likely decide the future of American democracy is insane. Does he not realize that Trump will likely try to have him killed if he gets back into office and installs himself as a dictator?
More to the point, I lived in Portland when the protests were happening during the Trump regime. If Biden, and all other forms of leadership, can't resolve this, the police will gladly return to tactics that they used in Portland. It's guaranteed that police will escalate, so we need to keep them away from these encampments.
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I really don't know, it could go either way. And given the Project 2025's plans, that's particularly worrying.
He actually did pretty good tbh.
View: https://twitter.com/allinwithchris/status/1785836176449970491
Yea I have to imagine many of these students voted blue all the way down the ballot in the past. But with the fascist boot of the police on their neck it's really hard to argue it'd be worse under the other guy. I cannot fault anyone for drawing the line here, where their elected officials stand idly by.
This is such a level headed take that I struggle to think of any reasonable person that would take issue with it. The unreasonable ones will, just like the Iraq War before it, pull an "idontknowher.gif" when their opinions inevitably age like milk on a radiator in direct sunlight.
There needs to be more of this aimed at liberals that can be persuaded.
handled the topic extremely well
and he's 100% correct that attacking the protestors is an evasion tactic to ignore what's being protested
Chris Hayes did well, though I wish he put his co-workers and peers on notice for perpetuating absolute bullshit against a group of college students.
The reason for a protest is the most important aspect of a protest. I despise these distractions that always comes up about tactics like where to sit or how loud to be. It doesn't fucking matter from an outsider's perspective. You either support the cause or you don't. Let the people doing the work figure it out. If you want to have a say then go join in or save the critique for after.
He's not going to stick his neck out on the line more than he already is. And if he looked like Mehdi Hasan while doing this, he'd be getting his pink slip in the mail for not toeing the company line just as he did.
Props to Hayes for making any kind of stand here. It's about the best we can expect out of MSNBC on this issue.
Meanwhile, in Congress
There are so many people there and totally chill and peaceful. Sweeping this is such a massive mistake.
Why doesn
Cause we leanred that saying the other guy is worse is a winning strategy.
Well according to democrats and some people on era, if Biden lose to Trump it will be the kids, palestenians, (and all other minorities) fault for not voting Biden and is a single issue voter.
Cause we leanred that saying the other guy is worse is a winning strategy.
View: https://youtu.be/MJU8h6s7kxA?si=DGlELe588-nnj6Du
FD Signifier put out a short video commending the bravery of students to do this in the surveillance age, laws to restrict protests, RICO charges on cop city protesters, and cop cities being built to stamp down resistance. Solidarity with the protesters against fascism. Hope the divestment fights continue to be successful.
He should be using his rhetoric to forcefully condemn this bullshit (he won't) Beyond rhetoric as far as I know the only lever he has to pull would be deploying the National Guard, and there is a nearly zero percent change that would go well. Someone else let me know if there's some other plausible action I'm missing here.
Recognize the students 1st amendment right to gather and protest, and denounce college admin, police action against the protestors?
Or...call them all antisemitic
Right, that's the forceful rhetoric I was referring to. Just wondering if he had any other policy levers I was forgetting. AFAIK he can't do anything to stop the schools from calling cops unless he was do deploy the National Guard.
Hasanabi is livestreaming coverage of the impending UCLA raid. When he's not getting stunlocked by a chatter anyway lol
He's watching this stream, which is still active if you'd rather go directly to the source.
https://www.twitch.tv/cinemarxism
Rhetoric can't be understated. It's probably the most important thing imo. So if he just did that it would be very impactful but he's not done that and UCLA is probably getting swept tonight and I don't think it will go as well as Columbia did. What is happening is a big deal and Biden doesn't seem very engaged with it.
It didn't work for Hillary and it won't work for Joe. He was a challenger going against Trump's record 4 years ago but that's not the case this time
I agree.
I can't believe I'm saying this about a cable news talking head, but Chris Hayes is spot on in the clip you posted above. Thank you for sharing that.
I laughed at a tweet where someone called what Hayes was doing "lib whispering" lol. They liked it though it's seemingly getting a lot of traction.
Four UCLA student journalists attacked by pro-Israel counterprotesters on campus
Four UCLA student journalists attacked by pro-Israel counterprotesters on campus
Four student journalists were attacked by Pro-Israel counterprotesters early Wednesday morning.
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lol. Yeah, I don't like MSNBC (and am anti cable news in general), but I gotta admit he did really well.
Chris Hayes did a fine job and should be commended for being one of the few mainstream figures who apparently has any sense of empathy and doesn't seem to care about his overlords, but it makes it even more dismaying that he's being so widely lauded for that short clip, including by me.
It's just so… obvious. He isn't saying anything anyone with any sense doesn't understand. So it's just kind of sad to me that someone on a major network finally just put the obvious out there and that it took this long, but that it's still so rare.
He's absolutely right that the focus on college students is a cowardly evasion by the press; it's low-hanging, easy to get to, easy to attack. Going at the source of the conflict, oof, that's a toughie, for these highly-paid "journalists." Let's gripe about the college kids and get paid just the same.
It's just so… obvious. He isn't saying anything anyone with any sense doesn't understand. So it's just kind of sad to me that someone on a major network finally just put the obvious out there and that it took this long, but that it's still so rare.
He's absolutely right that the focus on college students is a cowardly evasion by the press; it's low-hanging, easy to get to, easy to attack. Going at the source of the conflict, oof, that's a toughie, for these highly-paid "journalists." Let's gripe about the college kids and get paid just the same.
Four UCLA student journalists attacked by pro-Israel counterprotesters on campus
Four UCLA student journalists attacked by pro-Israel counterprotesters on campus
Four student journalists were attacked by Pro-Israel counterprotesters early Wednesday morning.
there's been tons of violent attacks like that recorded, including freaking fireworks thrown into a crowd of students being peaceful (these could seriously injure people, it's not just pretty colors), and yet you barely see any coverage of it, and cops did nothing even though they were right there
the freaking irony of it all, ugh...
View: https://twitter.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1785883375166992579
After last nights riot, UCLA has brought the LAPD to campus to clear out the encampment tonight.
I hope this school is mired in lawsuits. Pieces of shits admins want these students bloodied and brutalized.
Yeah, the double standards are staggering. Politicians and media seem to have been tripping over themselves to tar the peaceful student protesters as violent and hateful (implicitly justifying the police brutality towards them) and we get crickets when we see the pro-israel people actually being violent and hateful.
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Spokespeople for our SJP chapter just finished their talk with the Deans of Students at our Student Government meet tonight. Yeah, we seem to have the odds stacked against us. Fucking thumb has no interest in heeding our demands for disclosure/divestment nor did he try to classify the vague wording for what's considered an illegal "structure" on campus grounds (in regards to our tents according to campus policy). Moreover, he was just casually chatting up Zionists and conservatives that were falsely accusing us of antisemitic comments while ignoring us the entire time. It just sucks because we don't have the numbers right now to go all-in and bro is just itching to arrest/suspend us.
When it comes to the faculty, we've seen a lot of support from them which has been greatly appreciated. But there have been reports of the administration threatening them with suspensions if they dare aid us with supplies, food, etc.
Shit's making me so angry. Goddamn.
When it comes to the faculty, we've seen a lot of support from them which has been greatly appreciated. But there have been reports of the administration threatening them with suspensions if they dare aid us with supplies, food, etc.
Shit's making me so angry. Goddamn.
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Here's the White House's statement to a question specifically asked about the violent counter-protesters:
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No denouncements of violence but if there was violence, they would denounce it. Incredible.
About the legitimacy of the protests themselves, if what is driving them is genuine, and their view on the nature of the protests:
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imo it is pretty clear they don't have a problem with the police crackdowns.
There's really no daylight between Biden and Trump on this. Fucking fascist.
People can spare me the bullshit about "its up to the city / college" etc. His tone and statements are tacit approval of the violence against the students. A leader who actually gave a shit about his country would have stopped being Israels yes-man months ago and forcefully spoke against violence against peaceful protesting.
LA Times previously barred reporters who signed an open letter that criticized the Israeli actions from covering Gaza for 3 months last year. This, like the NYT and other institutions, are absolute dogshit when it comes to Palestine.
CNN, with the Dana Bash segment posted earlier and when they had on a student supporting the mob violence against peaceful protesters earlier, and the rest of American media is fucking cooked. They're unsalvageable filth.
UCLA chancellor condemns ‘instigators’ who attacked pro-Palestinian camp on campus
Los Angeles mayor calls late-night attack by counter-demonstrators ‘abhorrent’ as footage shows people wielding stickswww.theguardian.com
UCLA students describe violent attack on Gaza protest encampment: ‘It was terrifying’
Slow response from authorities left students shocked as people wearing white masks attacked pro-Palestine protesters
'Unacceptable': Why it took hours for police to quell attack at UCLA pro-Palestinian camp
Many on campus and outside UCLA are criticizing the university for not handling the violent counterprotest better.
It absolutely reads like the university admin wanted to rough up the students before calling the police.
At University of Alabama
View: https://twitter.com/MavenNavarro1/status/1785785576571994299
We did it Joe
View: https://twitter.com/MavenNavarro1/status/1785785576571994299
We did it Joe
The bill now is headed to the Senate for a vote. Under such a law, antizionism would be considered as antisemitism. What better way to crush any dissent on American soil?
It's such a slap in the face that nothing that actually benefits Americans ever gets done in Congress, or if it does, it's rare and heavily pared down. Yet stuff like this gets passed very quickly with bipartisan support.
Obviously everyone should be against legitimate anti-semitism. But this is just a way of stopping people from criticizing Israel. Absolutely ridiculous that the bill is vague enough that criticizing or protesting a foreign government would label one in such a manner.
Do these people not recognize that there are plenty of Jewish folks also involved in the protests or something?
What, are they considered as self-hating Jews in the eyes of these people? Fucking shitheads.
What, are they considered as self-hating Jews in the eyes of these people? Fucking shitheads.
Yeah, this is pretty deliberately designed to crush dissent and criticism of Israel by using the problematic definition by the IHRA.
A far better, more scholarly definition is this: https://jerusalemdeclaration.org/, but of course it's highly inconvenient to the American project.
I'm genuinely experiencing a shocked disbelief at how aggressively this is being fought against by government and news media institutions.
Not that this is the first or the last time that American institutions have done this, but man the pain of this particular instance feels really heavy and awful to me and that's really driving the disbelief. It's so incredibly hardline in the face of incredible atrocity.
Not that this is the first or the last time that American institutions have done this, but man the pain of this particular instance feels really heavy and awful to me and that's really driving the disbelief. It's so incredibly hardline in the face of incredible atrocity.
they know, it just doesn't fit their narrative! We see tons of jewish students participating in these, even having shabbat meal in the camps with other protesters! Nobody attacks them and they want to be there to protest a genocide
But nope, we gotta feature the one jewish student who supposedly doesn't feel safe, and showing nothing that would prove that... oh yeah they've shown someone screeming "kill the jews"... without saying of course that it was a pro-israel agitator who said that
It's not just you. I'm also aware this isn't the first time it's happened but the sheer disconnect between reality and the message being broadcast is just...baffling. a genocide is happening and this is what we're doing?
View: https://x.com/filmthepolicela/status/1785958000273887733?s=46&t=asUFfqnU-21zXejf02DWKA
Been watching Film the Police's livestream and this has been wild to witness.
was amazing to watch!! pigs breached and students held the line and forced them out!! lets go kids!!
What's infuriating is that this never happens with rightwing protests. Anytime conservatives do anything, no matter if they're threatening people, resisting arrest, or destroying property, we always have to take their concerns seriously and try to figure out why they're so angry. Meanwhile, when anyone on the left protests, it's a sign of moral decay and needs to be stopped as quickly and violently as possible.