Will be the same thing they did with Bethesda, plenty of people giving vague comments about them still supporting PlayStation but once contracts expire those games will become exclusive. Warzone will be the only difference, I think it's very unlikely they'd remove support for that in it's current form, it'll slowly just come to an end when they replace it with the next iteration.
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Poll: How does Call of Duty show up on PlayStation going forward?
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They'll tackle it the same way they do with The Elder Scrolls Online.
New CoD releases will continue to be on PlayStation, and MS will support it as though it's another tier of Xbox console, with the ultimate goal of Xbox being *the* cloud service to rule them all. I personally believe cloud services in the next 5-10 years will match or surpass the quality and experience of ~$500 hardware, and this deal will ultimately keep Activision games off of other cloud services. In the immediate timeframe, the franchise existing on Gamepass will make purchasing the games a less desirable proposition.
Warzone and Call of Duty proper multiplat until Sony/Activision contract ends. Then CoD proper only on Xbox/PC. Once MS converts more people into GP and drives their user base up, announce Warzone 2.0 exclusive to Xbox/PC.
They won't throw money away by taking away the Warzone revenue stream, but once CoD steps away from cross gen, they'll look to push out the next iteration of Warzone only on Xbox ecosystem to drive GP user base through the roof.
They won't throw money away by taking away the Warzone revenue stream, but once CoD steps away from cross gen, they'll look to push out the next iteration of Warzone only on Xbox ecosystem to drive GP user base through the roof.
I don't play ESO so I have no idea what the parallels are with that comparison. As a reminder, Warzone is developed on the Modern Warfare (2018) engine and has weapons / equipment from Modern Warfare, Cold War, and Vanguard. Three games that were developed with PS4, PS5, XB1, Xbox Series, and PC in mind. For the next iteration of Warzone that will undoubtedly be built off of an exclusive Call of Duty game's engine and with Xbox Series and PC in mind ... how does PS5 fit into that equation?
Whatever COD titles are currently in the works , a 2022 and probably a 2023 game will be released as normal. I'm not convinced there will be a 2024 entry, at least not the traditional kind. I think post 2023 the future of COD is just 2 games existing - a GAAS with seasonal single player updates that lasts 3 years before being fully updated and Warzone persisting as the F2P competitive multiplayer game. The days of launching a 4-8 hour campaign every November will be done.
So I feel Playstation will continue to have warzone as long as it keeps making money and I think those remaining 2 "traditional" COD titles will also show up there with whatever bonus material Sony paid for (from what I can tell , it's largely early DLC and PS plus exclusivity post launch). MS will be stuck footing the bill for this until 2024 and I think the easiest way they can "opt out" is to just not release a game that year and then in 2025 the COD GAAS comes out , even then I expect it to release on playstation but it'll be a case of "it's free on gamepass but 70$+ on playstation" and it'll never be on PS plus /spartacus. By 2027 I expect we'll be entering into another generation of hardware and at that point ALL future COD stuff will be gamepass only , gamepass will be on the table if sony wants some sort of custom version of it but I doubt they'll bite.
I'm imagining sony's higher ups are expecting the worst when the FTC and other world wide trade commission reviews are completed , that is - MS is approved to buy activision and all of it's IP and may do what it wants free of restrictions. So it's likely a high priority to quickly greenlight a Call of Duty knockoff that's first party and of high quality that they can release by 2025 so they won't need to rely on COD by the time PS6 comes around. I'm not quite as doom and gloom on this news as others , I feel like activision has been sinking hard and fast over the last 2 years especially and MS will have to spend a LOT of time and money to right that ship. I think they can do it but it'll be 3-5 years to "fix" the problem which means we won't see any real difference for the rest of this generation outside of hopefully the games being better and the staff making them being treated better.
So I feel Playstation will continue to have warzone as long as it keeps making money and I think those remaining 2 "traditional" COD titles will also show up there with whatever bonus material Sony paid for (from what I can tell , it's largely early DLC and PS plus exclusivity post launch). MS will be stuck footing the bill for this until 2024 and I think the easiest way they can "opt out" is to just not release a game that year and then in 2025 the COD GAAS comes out , even then I expect it to release on playstation but it'll be a case of "it's free on gamepass but 70$+ on playstation" and it'll never be on PS plus /spartacus. By 2027 I expect we'll be entering into another generation of hardware and at that point ALL future COD stuff will be gamepass only , gamepass will be on the table if sony wants some sort of custom version of it but I doubt they'll bite.
I'm imagining sony's higher ups are expecting the worst when the FTC and other world wide trade commission reviews are completed , that is - MS is approved to buy activision and all of it's IP and may do what it wants free of restrictions. So it's likely a high priority to quickly greenlight a Call of Duty knockoff that's first party and of high quality that they can release by 2025 so they won't need to rely on COD by the time PS6 comes around. I'm not quite as doom and gloom on this news as others , I feel like activision has been sinking hard and fast over the last 2 years especially and MS will have to spend a LOT of time and money to right that ship. I think they can do it but it'll be 3-5 years to "fix" the problem which means we won't see any real difference for the rest of this generation outside of hopefully the games being better and the staff making them being treated better.
Free to play title only on PlayStation once existing contracts are fulfilled.
I think Warzone will get a successor and it won't be tied to the main games anymore in order to make this happen. I still think content release timing will favor Xbox/Windows and PlayStation will get content updates 1-2 months late. I also think Warzone successor will be a full multiplayer suite and not Battle Royale only.
I think Warzone will get a successor and it won't be tied to the main games anymore in order to make this happen. I still think content release timing will favor Xbox/Windows and PlayStation will get content updates 1-2 months late. I also think Warzone successor will be a full multiplayer suite and not Battle Royale only.
The two CoD titles were the #1 and #2 best selling games last year. It's so big that people WILL buy an Xbox just for one game and with their fantastic GamePass service MS will make sure they'll stay there. Only option Sony has is allowing GP on their console in my opinion.
My thought is that Call of Duty is so big that it's basically a cultural trust, like Minecraft. MS will honor existing timed exclusivities for the duration of those contracts (likely short term). Those contracts will not be renewed, but MS will continue to release CoD on all relevant platforms, just like they do for Minecraft. Nothing else from that acquisition is coming to Sony devices, though.
This. I think people underestimate how much consoles CoD would move. I always hear how Final Fantasy and Spider-Man are huge console sellers for Sony… what do you think CoD will do?
That's my guess as well. If anything it'll be interesting to follow what happens in the coming years.
I don't think continued support for the PS4 version of Minecraft is the same. Minecraft hasn't even been updated to take advantage of the Xbox One X, let alone the Series S|X.
I wouldn't be surprised if the PlayStation Minecraft doesn't get a next gen patch. Or, a Minecraft 2.
they will honor all existing contracts and keep ongoing support/maps for warzone.
the mainline COD/Black Ops will be bi-annual releases on Xbox, PC and cloud
the mainline COD/Black Ops will be bi-annual releases on Xbox, PC and cloud
Likely Warzone + existing contracts. Potentially COD stays for the rest of the gen if Microsoft can use it as a bargaining chip to get out of other things like Sony's stupid cross play fee or other contracts that would prohibit other Activision stuff from coming to game pass.
What I would personally like to see is for them to move all multiplayer aspects to Warzone, call it COD Online or something, and then release high quality COD campaigns with co-op/other PVE modes on Xbox/PC every 2-3 years. Keeps the entire COD online population strong but also gives something compelling for exclusivity. But Blizzard and other Activision stuff? Yeah that all goes 100% exclusive once contracts are done.
What I would personally like to see is for them to move all multiplayer aspects to Warzone, call it COD Online or something, and then release high quality COD campaigns with co-op/other PVE modes on Xbox/PC every 2-3 years. Keeps the entire COD online population strong but also gives something compelling for exclusivity. But Blizzard and other Activision stuff? Yeah that all goes 100% exclusive once contracts are done.
Existing contracts (which I can't imagine go much past 2023 anyway) plus Warzone. That's it. They'll try to push Sony on PlayStation Game Pass, but Sony would have to see a few years of revenue loss and loss of market share before they'll be willing to even think about it (though I do think the Activision buy out is probably the tipping point where business-wise they should just take the deal. Their dream of being able to push MS out of the hardware market altogether is officially dead, so they should just take the offer to get all their competitor's games on their system, even if they don't like the business model).
Sure, but they put out the PS4 version of Minecraft several years after their purchase of Mojang, and they certainly didn't need to. They are paying for continued development and QA on that platform, when they could have abandoned it at literally any point. I can see a very similar future for CoD*
*...and maybe World of WarCraft if that ever gets a console version.
My guess on Call of Duty:
- They will keep supporting COD Warzone (like TESO, Fallout 76 & Minecraft)
- Once the marketing deals will be expired, they will make the future Call of Duty games timed exclusive through Early-Access on Xbox (or for Game Pass Ultimate suscribers). Could be 1 week, 2 week, 1 month... Whatever. This worked very well for Forza Horizon 5 (although a bit different).
- or instead of early access, traditional timed exclusives (be it 3 or 6 months, or 1 full year). But I would bet on early access rather than a classic timed exclusive.
(and in addition, COD on Xbox / Game Pass receives exclusive modes, perks, etc.)
This way :
- they leverage COD as an exclusive
- and, ultimately, they also release the games on Playstation so this protects the dominance of the IP over the FPS market and prevents any competition from emerging trying to fill the void (like an hypothetical multiplat Battlefield but in partnership with Playstation, the future new IP from Respawn, or Sony's own attempt at a FPS with Deviation..)
- the largest playerbase possible means more $$$ through MTX / Store
- this doesnt disturb the synergy and health of Warzone on Playstation (that relies on the combination of F2P Warzone and paid COD games with new themed content)
I think the only thing that can be compared to Minecraft is COD Warzone. And 2014 was a very different time, Xbox was still under Windows (iirc), with no clear strategy and it was the beginning of the end for the Xbox One. + I feel it was more a Microsoft thing. They also specified in the PR that Minecraft would stay on Playstation.
At the minimum, I see some sort of exclusivity for COD (more than just modes or DLCs) but I still bet more on timed / early access rather than full exclusivity. Call of Duty is so huge that I'm not sure yet they would go fully exclusive.
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So, imo, not Minecraft but not Starfield, Fallout 5 or TES VI neither.
- They will keep supporting COD Warzone (like TESO, Fallout 76 & Minecraft)
- Once the marketing deals will be expired, they will make the future Call of Duty games timed exclusive through Early-Access on Xbox (or for Game Pass Ultimate suscribers). Could be 1 week, 2 week, 1 month... Whatever. This worked very well for Forza Horizon 5 (although a bit different).
- or instead of early access, traditional timed exclusives (be it 3 or 6 months, or 1 full year). But I would bet on early access rather than a classic timed exclusive.
(and in addition, COD on Xbox / Game Pass receives exclusive modes, perks, etc.)
This way :
- they leverage COD as an exclusive
- and, ultimately, they also release the games on Playstation so this protects the dominance of the IP over the FPS market and prevents any competition from emerging trying to fill the void (like an hypothetical multiplat Battlefield but in partnership with Playstation, the future new IP from Respawn, or Sony's own attempt at a FPS with Deviation..)
- the largest playerbase possible means more $$$ through MTX / Store
- this doesnt disturb the synergy and health of Warzone on Playstation (that relies on the combination of F2P Warzone and paid COD games with new themed content)
I think the only thing that can be compared to Minecraft is COD Warzone. And 2014 was a very different time, Xbox was still under Windows (iirc), with no clear strategy and it was the beginning of the end for the Xbox One. + I feel it was more a Microsoft thing. They also specified in the PR that Minecraft would stay on Playstation.
At the minimum, I see some sort of exclusivity for COD (more than just modes or DLCs) but I still bet more on timed / early access rather than full exclusivity. Call of Duty is so huge that I'm not sure yet they would go fully exclusive.
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So, imo, not Minecraft but not Starfield, Fallout 5 or TES VI neither.
Yeah last I heard was the marketing deals were in 4 year chunks and the current one is over in 2023
That's where it really breaks down logically.
Warzone 2 or whatever would have to be deliberately built for the PS5. Which not only requires financing, but completely devalues the value propitiation or necessity for Gamepass. Which is at the heart of all these acquisitions and gaming strategies.
Some things make sense, like continuing support for existing games, but when it comes to future content that would make Gamepass more desirable, logic breaks down trying to see why they would devalue that.
My guess on Call of Duty:
- They will keep supporting COD Warzone (like TESO, Fallout 76 & Minecraft)
- Once the marketing deals will be expired, they will make the future Call of Duty games timed exclusive through Early-Access on Xbox (or for Game Pass Ultimate suscribers). Could be 1 week, 2 week, 1 month... Whatever. This worked very well for Forza Horizon 5 (although a bit different).
- or instead of early access, traditional timed exclusives (be it 3 or 6 months, or 1 full year). But I would bet on early access rather than a classic timed exclusive.
(and in addition, COD on Xbox / Game Pass receives exclusive modes, perks, etc.)
This way :
- they leverage COD as an exclusive
- and, ultimately, they also release the games on Playstation so this protects the dominance of the IP over the FPS market and prevents any competition from emerging trying to fill the void (like an hypothetical multiplat Battlefield but in partnership with Playstation, the future new IP from Respawn, or Sony's own attempt at a FPS with Deviation..)
- the largest playerbase possible means more $$$ through MTX / Store
- this doesnt disturb the synergy and health of Warzone on Playstation (that relies on the combination of F2P Warzone and paid COD games with new themed content)
I think the only thing that can be compared to Minecraft is COD Warzone. And 2014 was a very different time, Xbox was still under Windows (iirc), with no clear strategy and it was the beginning of the end for the Xbox One. + I feel it was more a Microsoft thing. They also specified in the PR that Minecraft would stay on Playstation.
At the minimum, I see some sort of exclusivity for COD (more than just modes or DLCs) but I still bet more on timed / early access rather than full exclusivity. Call of Duty is so huge that I'm not sure yet they would go fully exclusive.
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So, imo, not Minecraft but not Starfield, Fallout 5 or TES VI neither.
Think this makes a lot of sense.
Agreed, why devalue your service when you spent 70 billion to acquire content for it.
Don't know what the current contract is, I wonder if new CoD games keep coming to PlayStation for the next few years and then maybe 2025 or 26 they go Xbox/PC only. Not sure if that falls in line with the current contract. Also wonder if Microsoft wants to move away from the annual releases eventually with a 'longer tail' of support for individual games (who knows, maybe they start doing that after they start making them Xbox/PC only).
For Warzone, I would guess they keep that updated across all the current platforms and support it as long as Warzone is a thing.
For Warzone, I would guess they keep that updated across all the current platforms and support it as long as Warzone is a thing.
The games will come out, timed exclusive weapons will be on Xbox for Warzone, the main games will either have exclusive in game items or release a little early on Xbox. The games will continue to release on PlayStation through this generation at the very least; they aren't about to throw out all those PS5 dev kits
Phil wouldn't say they desire to keep COD on PS and Sony wouldn't say they expect Xbox to honor deals and "keep" AB games on PS unless they both knew something. Neither said anything like that for Bethesda.
my guess is Xbox really is going to put more AB games on PS5 but really wants ppl to buy systems and GP in anticipation since the deal is 1.5 years from closing. Maybe a new IP here and there only on Xbox, but COD, Diablo, Overwatch, and IPs heavily associated with PS like Spyro and Crash still on PS5.
no way game pass doesn't come to PS5 before the end of the gen imo. Especially if PS outsells Xbox again 2:1, which I believe despite shortages isn't PS5 already almost 2:1 on Series? Wasn't it like 12/6.5M before Thanksgiving?
it's one thing to ship 2 games (Deathloop and Ghostwire) but if Xbox ships 1-3 CODs and even other games on PS their investors/board are going to ask for BOTH game pass increase AND the hundreds of millions PS consumers bring.
my guess is Xbox really is going to put more AB games on PS5 but really wants ppl to buy systems and GP in anticipation since the deal is 1.5 years from closing. Maybe a new IP here and there only on Xbox, but COD, Diablo, Overwatch, and IPs heavily associated with PS like Spyro and Crash still on PS5.
no way game pass doesn't come to PS5 before the end of the gen imo. Especially if PS outsells Xbox again 2:1, which I believe despite shortages isn't PS5 already almost 2:1 on Series? Wasn't it like 12/6.5M before Thanksgiving?
it's one thing to ship 2 games (Deathloop and Ghostwire) but if Xbox ships 1-3 CODs and even other games on PS their investors/board are going to ask for BOTH game pass increase AND the hundreds of millions PS consumers bring.
They are companies they will do whatever gets more money to them . No doubt, but if i have to bet i will say that it will be exclusive in 2023
The problem with making it exclusive is that of course Sony will release a competitor in the future (3 or 4 ys from today), so what could be good for MS today could be bad in the future if they don't fix COD .
So a question Ms need to ask is if it's better to have a "competitor" in the future or to allow Cod on PS. Like i said money rules here.
The problem with making it exclusive is that of course Sony will release a competitor in the future (3 or 4 ys from today), so what could be good for MS today could be bad in the future if they don't fix COD .
So a question Ms need to ask is if it's better to have a "competitor" in the future or to allow Cod on PS. Like i said money rules here.
Partial, MS will honor existing contracts and then only release Warzone after obligations are met.
Microsoft will honor all existing contracts, then when those obligations have been met:
However, the above is under the assumption that the deal goes through without issue. If the regulators request that Call of Duty is too big of a franchise and must remain multiplatform to approve the deal, I believe something like the following could happen instead:
Microsoft will honor all existing contracts, then when those obligations have been met:
- Call of Duty: Warzone will be multiplatform
- All mainline Call of Duty titles will be Xbox/PC exclusive
- All existing Call of Duty titles will remain on the PlayStation store
- Any future 'Remastered' titles may appear on PlayStation (Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Remastered)
However, the above is under the assumption that the deal goes through without issue. If the regulators request that Call of Duty is too big of a franchise and must remain multiplatform to approve the deal, I believe something like the following could happen instead:
- Call of Duty becomes a bi-annual franchise (already rumored)
- One of Infinity Ward/Treyarch/Sledgehammer, along with the other support studios will be given their freedom to work on new and existing IP that will exclusive to Xbox
Partial: COD's cultural relevance is a function of the fact it sells 20-30 million over a game's lifetime, seems counter productive to cede that relevance to other games.
It's essentially inviting Sony back into the shooter space by creating a shooter vacuum after COD leaves seems counter productive.
Could be wrong but I think mainline COD and Warzone will stay around for longer than people think.
It's essentially inviting Sony back into the shooter space by creating a shooter vacuum after COD leaves seems counter productive.
Could be wrong but I think mainline COD and Warzone will stay around for longer than people think.
They made 3 games since Warzone released? What the fuck.
I had no idea, my only exposure to CoD is closing pop-ups related to it on b.net.
these poll choices are odd...but
Microsoft will put out CoD 2022 and 2023, and likely keep supporting Warzone on PlayStation, while trying to push for gamepass on PlayStation as a way for those gamers to be able to play new entries in the series. If Sony declines to put the service on Playstation, then expect it to be exclusive on PC, Xbox series consoles and anywhere gamepass can be accessed.
Microsoft will put out CoD 2022 and 2023, and likely keep supporting Warzone on PlayStation, while trying to push for gamepass on PlayStation as a way for those gamers to be able to play new entries in the series. If Sony declines to put the service on Playstation, then expect it to be exclusive on PC, Xbox series consoles and anywhere gamepass can be accessed.
I really doubt we will see CoD on Playstation consoles other than Warzone past 2025. Obviously CoD 2023 due to existing contracts and the sale wont go through until 2023. As for 2024 and 2025, I think it depends on how much work is done earlier in development for multi-console release.
Maybe I'm being dense but I dont see why beyond the existing contracts, microsoft couldn't release cod on both xbox through gamepass and on playstation as a normal release like it's been.
Even with cod being on playstation, having it on gamepass day one will be a huge selling point for gamepass and they still get revenue from the huge playstation audience for the game sales. I'm not sure Microsoft wants to give that chunk of money up especially if they dont have to.
Even with cod being on playstation, having it on gamepass day one will be a huge selling point for gamepass and they still get revenue from the huge playstation audience for the game sales. I'm not sure Microsoft wants to give that chunk of money up especially if they dont have to.
After the existing agreements are finished I do think there's a slim chance COD stays on PlayStation. They'll be able to still please PS5 adopters, and then people who haven't gotten a new-gen console will be likely pushed more to Xbox due to COD being inevitably free for Gamepass subscribers.