No, I don't.
The Dems suck at politicking. They suck at drafting legislation. They even suck at retiring (RBG) and this is the culmination of their ineptitude.
Yes, we all get it the Repubs are evil, etc. But we *knew* that going in. Reading the letter that RBG wrote to the Senate before she passed made my fucking head spin. She honestly expected McConnell to do the right thing? Are these fucking people paying attention??
Mitch McConnell's legacy is secured. He can feel free to die any time now.
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100%. This isn't the endgame. It's the beginning.I know the headline is Roe Vs Wade, but the actual reasoning in this draft is damn scary by saying the 14th amendments "due process" clause doesn't mean what previous rulings have said it does. The due process clause has been used as the basis of gay marriage, contraception, interracial marriage, other discrimination lawsuits, etc...
This analogy doesn't work...because we're not talking about fucking tigers.
Republicans are not animals and Democrats are not zookeepers. Think about that.
Think about the space you're giving to Republicans to continue to be heinous, the blame you're shifting to Democrats for not being able to tame the untamable, and the space you're giving Independents to just not engage.
It's one of those things that was a bit inevitable. Republicans have been playing the long game since around Goldwater. They've effectively taken basically every area of government from small to large in huge chunks of the country while pushing dems to the right. Like on the most small town issues there are right wing looms waiting to swarm a Schoolboard meeting to rant against CRT and trans rights on any random night. And, that's only possible after laying the groundwork of making your party so intertwined with religious and racial identity that the most vocal republican voters say shit that would make Alex Jones blush a decade ago on a daily basis.No, I don't.
The Dems suck at politicking. They suck at drafting legislation. They even suck at retiring (RBG) and this is the culmination of their ineptitude.
Yes, we all get it the Repubs are evil, etc. But we *knew* that going in. Reading the letter that RBG wrote to the Senate before she passed made my fucking head spin. She honestly expected McConnell to do the right thing? Are these fucking people paying attention??
This implies that Democrats are in a position of absolute authority and that Republicans are animals acting on instinct. A better analogy would be focusing negative energy on the human beings that are actively harming this country and its people. Wait that's not an analogy because an analogy isn't fucking needed.That's why people blame Democrats - when the tiger gets loose, you don't blame the tiger, you blame the zookeeper. The tiger will always be a tiger: you either contain it, or you kill it. You can't change its nature. The zookeeper is the person that we've entrusted with the responsibility of keeping us safe. If they're incapable of doing so, they're not worthy of that trust. If you think it's "our" responsibility, instead, you have to question why we have zookeepers at all.
Kind of an interesting take, and I think it is mostly accurate. I would also point out that conservativism is also fundamentally anti-democratic. You are correct, we literally can not fix the baked-in problems that have managed to be weaponized against us. The tiger/zookeeper analogy is flawed, but I think it does highlight that they do not play by the same rules, and have been given carte blanche to continue to do so.At some point we have to accept that conservatism, as an ideology, cannot be reasoned with. It's incompatible with progressive goals. No amount of arguing, persuading, or cajoling will convince conservative voters to change their tune, because, as people keep saying, "the cruelty is the point." There's a huge bloc of Americans, maybe a majority of Americans, that are fundamentally bad and will vote for fundamentally bad people.
That's why people blame Democrats - when the tiger gets loose, you don't blame the tiger, you blame the zookeeper. The tiger will always be a tiger: you either contain it, or you kill it. You can't change its nature. The zookeeper is the person that we've entrusted with the responsibility of keeping us safe. If they're incapable of doing so, they're not worthy of that trust. If you think it's "our" responsibility, instead, you have to question why we have zookeepers at all.
But the reality is, there's no reality where Democrats in the 21st century have the means to keep us safe. They'll always have one hand tied behind their back, because the structure of our government rewards ruralism and conservatism and reactionary policies. Democratic politicians (on an individual basis) are either incapable of changing that system, or unwilling to do so, but the result is the same in either case: nothing happens.
Vote, for sure. Vote every election, every primary. You'll be treating the symptoms, and the symptoms are BAD. But electoralism isn't capable of addressing the fundamental issues. America is not going to elect enough Senators willing to, say, reform the Supreme Court. And America isn't going to elect enough Senators to reform the Senate enough to adjust the underlying system to put the means to reform the Supreme Court in place. We're just changing the bandages.
Nothing would surprise me at this point. This court is a farceNo chance. There's no defensible Christian/Jewish philosophy behind banning interracial marriage, unlike abortion and gay marriage. And the modern US conservative movement is based on winning epic debates using Christian/Jewish philosophy.
Plus they need their multiracial coalition of conservatives for the future.
Not all women. Just poor or underserved women. They'll no longer have access to safe medical practices. Rich women can still get what they want since it'll just be a matter of time and money.Women are about to lose fundamental control over their bodies and trolls are up in here trying to shit up another thread with Democrat hate.
Shameful behavior.
Yup, this is really scary and going to start some even more vile discussion.I know the headline is Roe Vs Wade, but the actual reasoning in this draft is damn scary by saying the 14th amendments "due process" clause doesn't mean what previous rulings have said it does. The due process clause has been used as the basis of gay marriage, contraception, interracial marriage, other discrimination lawsuits, etc...
i think we'd even just settle for contain.I'm curious what your idea of "Kill the tiger" is in this situation.
Also something to keep in mind at the time, as frustrating as it is.There was NO way that 2009 senate would have ever passed that bill, none zero zilch.
... But it literally was tamable. If one person retires instead of selfishly holding her seat and dying with a Republican in office, this doesn't happen.
The analogy works just fine. Your rebuttal would work if there was nothing the zookeepers could have done to prevent this. That's not the case.
Women are about to lose fundamental control over their bodies and trolls are up in here trying to shit up another thread with Democrat hate.
Shameful behavior.
Well leaving aside the question of racism, I'm not sure that your statement is even true. Seems to me we live in the age of "no more normies", especially after covid hit. Winning epic Youtube debates is a pretty mainstream form of politics.The terminally online right wind racist nutjobs who are obsessed with winning epic debates are irrelevant
I'd say it is a fundamental part of their agenda and one of the most successful they have ever orchestrated.I genuinely wonder sometimes how much the republicans plan for left-leaning infighting.
Speaking of endgame, what is the endgame here?
I genuinely wonder sometimes how much the republicans plan for left-leaning infighting.
Remember the pink pussy hats of 2017?
The Woman's March that year was, and continues to be, the largest single demonstration the world has ever seen.
What was the result?
More white women voted for Trump in 2020.
The idea that the actions of one woman can be blamed on "Democrats" is absolute nonsense.... But it literally was tamable. If one person retires instead of selfishly holding her seat and dying with a Republican in office, this doesn't happen.
The analogy works just fine. Your rebuttal would work if there was nothing the zookeepers could have done to prevent this. That's not the case.
Republicans are not mindless animals without agency or accountability. So many lefties treat Republican evil as a fait accompli that it totally lets them off the hook. And I get it, when you're a progressive, a Republican is so far from your worldview that even thinking about one is unfathomable. But as a result, we get situations like these where the left predominantly blames the left for what is a right-wing decision. Consequently, Roe being overturned is the fault of RBG and Dems sucking, and Republicans are left conveniently out of the convo.At some point we have to accept that conservatism, as an ideology, cannot be reasoned with. It's incompatible with progressive goals. No amount of arguing, persuading, or cajoling will convince conservative voters to change their tune, because, as people keep saying, "the cruelty is the point." There's a huge bloc of Americans, maybe a majority of Americans, that are fundamentally bad and will vote for fundamentally bad people.
That's why people blame Democrats - when the tiger gets loose, you don't blame the tiger, you blame the zookeeper. The tiger will always be a tiger: you either contain it, or you kill it. You can't change its nature. The zookeeper is the person that we've entrusted with the responsibility of keeping us safe. If they're incapable of doing so, they're not worthy of that trust. If you think it's "our" responsibility, instead, you have to question why we have zookeepers at all.
But the reality is, there's no reality where Democrats in the 21st century have the means to keep us safe. They'll always have one hand tied behind their back, because the structure of our government rewards ruralism and conservatism and reactionary policies. Democratic politicians (on an individual basis) are either incapable of changing that system, or unwilling to do so, but the result is the same in either case: nothing happens.
Vote, for sure. Vote every election, every primary. You'll be treating the symptoms, and the symptoms are BAD. But electoralism isn't capable of addressing the fundamental issues. America is not going to elect enough Senators willing to, say, reform the Supreme Court. And America isn't going to elect enough Senators to reform the Senate enough to adjust the underlying system to put the means to reform the Supreme Court in place. We're just changing the bandages.
Repeal the filibuster, admit Washington DC and Puerto Rico as states, pass sweeping voting rights legislation, bar partisan media (such as reintroducing the fairness doctrine) and crackdown on the dissemination of misinformation via social media, motivate the justice department to ferret out the corruption in the Republican Party and, when evidence allows, jail prominent politicians from the Trump era and beyond, pack the Supreme Court in the short term and, in the long term, reform it into a more balanced entity whose non-partisan nature can be enforced.I'm curious what your idea of "Kill the tiger" is in this situation.
At some point we have to accept that conservatism, as an ideology, cannot be reasoned with. It's incompatible with progressive goals. No amount of arguing, persuading, or cajoling will convince conservative voters to change their tune, because, as people keep saying, "the cruelty is the point." There's a huge bloc of Americans, maybe a majority of Americans, that are fundamentally bad and will vote for fundamentally bad people.
That's why people blame Democrats - when the tiger gets loose, you don't blame the tiger, you blame the zookeeper. The tiger will always be a tiger: you either contain it, or you kill it. You can't change its nature. The zookeeper is the person that we've entrusted with the responsibility of keeping us safe. If they're incapable of doing so, they're not worthy of that trust. If you think it's "our" responsibility, instead, you have to question why we have zookeepers at all.
But the reality is, there's no reality where Democrats in the 21st century have the means to keep us safe. They'll always have one hand tied behind their back, because the structure of our government rewards ruralism and conservatism and reactionary policies. Democratic politicians (on an individual basis) are either incapable of changing that system, or unwilling to do so, but the result is the same in either case: nothing happens.
Vote, for sure. Vote every election, every primary. You'll be treating the symptoms, and the symptoms are BAD. But electoralism isn't capable of addressing the fundamental issues. America is not going to elect enough Senators willing to, say, reform the Supreme Court. And America isn't going to elect enough Senators to reform the Senate enough to adjust the underlying system to put the means to reform the Supreme Court in place. We're just changing the bandages.
To just make the country more miserable for anyone who is not a straight white dude.
I'd say it is a fundamental part of their agenda and one of the most successful they have ever orchestrated.
What is it with some people on the left where they treat Republicans like unaccountable forces of nature with no more agency than an earthquake or tsunami?That's why people blame Democrats - when the tiger gets loose, you don't blame the tiger, you blame the zookeeper. The tiger will always be a tiger: you either contain it, or you kill it. You can't change its nature. The zookeeper is the person that we've entrusted with the responsibility of keeping us safe. If they're incapable of doing so, they're not worthy of that trust. If you think it's "our" responsibility, instead, you have to question why we have zookeepers at all.
This is not the thread for this moronic conspiracy theory nonsenses. Take that shit elsewhere.
- The DNC for running Hillary Clinton back in 2016 against Trump, knowing all of the baggage that she & her husband had for decades from the Republican/GQP Party & from right-wing media propaganda. Bernie should've won the presidential nomination instead, & if he were the nominee back then, he would've definitely won. But the DNC had screwed him over all because he was a progressive & not another corporate, neoliberal Democrat.
The grand irony for me continues to be that we on the left waste so much fucking time arguing that we can't do what we see the right do literally every fucking election.
This is why I'm so protective of Black voters. Not JUST because I'm Black myself, but because Black voters are literally THE ONLY Leftist voting block that operates this way. We take our asses out and vote for the D candidate no matter WHO that fucker is.
Republicans are not mindless animals without agency or accountability. So many lefties treat Republican evil as a fait accompli that it totally lets them off the hook. And I get it, when you're a progressive, a Republican is so far from your worldview that even thinking about one is unfathomable. But as a result, we get situations like these where the left predominantly blames the left for what is a right-wing decision. Consequently, Roe being overturned is the fault of RBG and Dems sucking, and Republicans are left conveniently out of the convo.
Changing policy means winning elections, and you don't win elections by saying your party are the real bad guys.
Contraception & Gay Marriage are likely nextSpeaking of endgame, what is the endgame here?
I have talked to so many people who call themselves 'pro-life', none of them will talk about it. They act like getting rid of Roe is some panacea. Poof, there goes abortion. All the while they tell me gun control won't work, because a criminal will always find a way to get a gun.
So how does this work, what are the logistics? How are we not going to punish women? You have made an act illegal, how do you only punish one party?
Also the old "You can't put toothpaste back in the tube" argument. Except when it comes to controlling women's bodies…Speaking of endgame, what is the endgame here?
I have talked to so many people who call themselves 'pro-life', none of them will talk about it. They act like getting rid of Roe is some panacea. Poof, there goes abortion. All the while they tell me gun control won't work, because a criminal will always find a way to get a gun.
Bernie should've won the presidential nomination instead, & if he were the nominee back then, he would've definitely won.
I'd imagine that the endgame is a federal ban on abortion, which the GOP is planning on introducing. Then a gradual clawback of any civil rights incompatible with white evangelical Christianity, starting first at the state level and then, over time, adopted federally. Things like gay marriage and anything (that's even left) that supports trans people are the next targets. Black people aren't "next" under this paradigm; they've been targets since the founding of the country. But them too.Speaking of endgame, what is the endgame here?
I have talked to so many people who call themselves 'pro-life', none of them will talk about it. They act like getting rid of Roe is some panacea. Poof, there goes abortion. All the while they tell me gun control won't work, because a criminal will always find a way to get a gun.
So how does this work, what are the logistics? How are we not going to punish women? You have made an act illegal, how do you only punish one party?
This is pretty unprecedented though as well, as this is the first time I can think of where an existing right has been TAKEN away. Have to see how Americans react to this.