Pokémon fans, do you really want a Gen 4 remake after how Sword and Shield was handled?
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Only one I didn't try because I didn't want to reward them with more money after how B/W was bad. Same with US/UM - why reward their trash model by buying the game twice? Other "sequel" games felt additive where BW2 and USUM seemed restorative or "oop sorry for the beta, here's the "definitive" versions...
BW2 is an actual sequel though. Nothing like USUM or any other third version.
Yes, I want to play Sinnoh in 3D with Charizard and Infernape fighting side by side on the same team.
Absolutely not. The lack of care that went into Sw/Sh's release made it so I don't want any more Pokemon titles from Game Freak until they get things in order and release a game whose quality is deserving of the console it's on. Not that I expect them to not crap out something to match anime/merch deadlines, but I can still hope...
No not anymore. I can only imagine how they'd butcher Mt.Coronet. I'll wait for a new engine, or if they get help from others devs, I don't want to keep battling 4 ft tall Dialga and Palkia. Been doing that since 2013.
BW2 is like a proto Sw/Sh in terms of rushing you from one gym to the next. At least the post-game content is decent in BW2, but that's all it has going for it.
This.
I expect less if Gamefreak went this route. Let alone I expect less then the content in the original games if they go 1:1 remake.
With Gamefreak now I just expect less then what they accomplished before. They are like that teen who's parents don't expect anything from them because they became a disappointment.
Nope, Sinnoh maps were complex, especially around the mountains, current GF will destroy it with their terrible routes designs, straight line path full of nothing.
More dev time for Gen 9 please. I want a Sinnoh remake but I also want the next generation to be the best it can be.
I wish TPCi would put another studio in charge of side main games but I guess a new studio would completely highlight Game Freak's flaws.
I wish TPCi would put another studio in charge of side main games but I guess a new studio would completely highlight Game Freak's flaws.
If they can somehow return to form circa B/W/2, then I'd be all for a Gen 4 remake or a new gen altogether. At this point though I'm absolutely done with mainline pokemon games, Gamefreak has handled everything from X/Y onward very poorly.
I'm playing through Pokémon white right now and I truly think the DS games are far and away more charming and aesthetically beautiful than the 3D games.
I don't want another half assed boring 3D game, I didn't like sword and ORAS is worse than emerald,
I think ultra sun and moon were ok but Game freak needs time to figure this shit out.
Persona 5 was basically a PS3 game and it probably has a tiny budget compared to Pokémon and the care and attention between P5 and SWSH is day and night, I'd be embarrassed to be Gamefreak.
I don't want another half assed boring 3D game, I didn't like sword and ORAS is worse than emerald,
I think ultra sun and moon were ok but Game freak needs time to figure this shit out.
Persona 5 was basically a PS3 game and it probably has a tiny budget compared to Pokémon and the care and attention between P5 and SWSH is day and night, I'd be embarrassed to be Gamefreak.
I just bought a refurb DS to replay the older games because I was so put off by SWSH
Sw/Sh is the least I've ever enjoyed a mainline Pokemon game and D/P/Pl were among my favorites. I'd honestly rather that Gen 4 remakes come at a time when Game Freak can make faithful remakes that don't bring down the experience for me.
What I want from Pokemon isn't simple, I want the next advancement like botw was for Zelda, not to say I want everything we have completely undone or an open world experience mind you.
Sword and shield were more of the same in my eyes so I didn't gel with them a remake at least has nostalgia going for it though with gen 4 being what it is I don't think it would be as good as the original.
Tldr if I can't have my ideal Pokemon game I'd rather have a remake than a new gen with the same problems.
Sword and shield were more of the same in my eyes so I didn't gel with them a remake at least has nostalgia going for it though with gen 4 being what it is I don't think it would be as good as the original.
Tldr if I can't have my ideal Pokemon game I'd rather have a remake than a new gen with the same problems.
That type of attitude is exactly why GF can get away with the type of sub par, rushed effort we got with SW/SH.
Wanting staples that the very series is based upon, graphics that look fitting for a AAA title, and sizeable content matching previous generations isn't whining and people asking for those things aren't a 'nuisance'. It's just expecting the quality product you're paying for (And more than we have ever had to in the past, at that) and that we know they're capable of making given the time and effort.
Hand waving valid concerns and constantly giving them a pass will actually just hurt the series in the long run. Just shutting up, smiling and buying whatever they put out, in whatever state, just tells GF and Nintendo that you'll buy the product, regardless of the quality. And that's when you'll really start to see a dip in quality/effort/content and it won't the fault of the people up that tried to bring these issues up earlier.
As far as OP'S question goes, I'd only want these remakes now if they learned a lot from the criticisms they got with SW/SH. If it's going to suffer from similar issues, I'd rather just stick with the originals for now.
I could use a really long break from the Pokemon franchise after the last few games. I legitimately love a lot of the creature designs but the games have been subpar. I get that they are aimed for younger audiences but so is Mario and they still create amazing games with him. Like I know it will never happen but give me 3 years without a new game and see how I feel about it. Kinda how I feel about star wars too. I am fatigued.
I want them to modify and port Platinum as a single screen experience. And obviously speed things up and make it compatible with Home. Rather than make contentious remakes there ought to be a way for all generations to be playable on Switch and also be preserved as they were.
If they make a port, then maybe they can take the story of DPP and interpret it in a fresh way in a remake instead of being faithful.
If they make a port, then maybe they can take the story of DPP and interpret it in a fresh way in a remake instead of being faithful.
IMO, they simply aren't capable of making a remake worthy of Platinum. Creating caves/mountains/branching paths, etc. in 2D is one thing, but they have not demonstrated the ability to do that in a 3D space. No area in SwSh or any of the 3D Pokemon games is as complex as any of the dungeons in the series from Gen 5 and earlier. Except the remade areas in Let's Go P/E, but that game had so many other issues as well.
You know what gets me in most of the remakes? They're too frequently 1:1 recreations of the original but with better graphics/mechanics plus new content. I wanna see remakes break free of their original's hardware/data limitations, not the exact same buildings and topology! Especially bad in LGPE with how bland Kanto is.
Modern day D/P remake -> "The Battle Zone project has started!"
Modern day D/P remake -> "The Battle Zone project has started!"
Absolutely not. Sword/Shield was the first set of Pokemon games that I actually sat down afterwards and thought, "...Did I enjoy any of that?" To which the answer is yes, I enjoyed the Pokemon designs! The rest of the game... Not so much.
I don't want them to make Gen 4 remakes after that. Frankly, I don't want Gen 4 remakes at all at this point. I just want Gen X, Gen X DLC, 2-3 years with no release, Gen Y, Gen Y DLC, so forth and so on. I know that won't happen, but... I'd like to see the games given more time.
I don't want them to make Gen 4 remakes after that. Frankly, I don't want Gen 4 remakes at all at this point. I just want Gen X, Gen X DLC, 2-3 years with no release, Gen Y, Gen Y DLC, so forth and so on. I know that won't happen, but... I'd like to see the games given more time.
SW/SH wasn't a bad game at all but it is really underwhelming considering the popularity of the brand and for how long it has been going on. People are getting tired of it, doesn't have to appear in sales right now but it can affect the brand on the long term.
I think they kinda want to listen to fans again (pokemon snap, pokemon follows you in the DLC of SW/SH) and i think that's why they are hiring again for the sequel or gen 4 remakes.
Gen 4 could be a really big deal so i really hope they don't fk it up.
I think they kinda want to listen to fans again (pokemon snap, pokemon follows you in the DLC of SW/SH) and i think that's why they are hiring again for the sequel or gen 4 remakes.
Gen 4 could be a really big deal so i really hope they don't fk it up.
Hell no - and for two reasons:
- Pokemon's like Paper Mario at this point where even a 7/10 game would be a pleasant surprise.
- Just like Paper Mario, the series' current design philosophy is fundamentally opposed to what made the old games so good (decent challenge, exploration). Gen 4 is a particular sore spot is its defining strength (its exploration) is what Gamefreak is so intent in purging the series of, if the hallway simulators of Gens 7 and 8 are any indication.
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Eh, gen 4 is already my least favorite generation, so I can't imagine I'll be that disappointed. I also really like all of the remakes so far (although I will admit ORAS is weaker than both HGSS and FRLG).
not sure what the poll has to do with the thread title
i'm all for a gen 4 remake as the next mainline games.
i'm all for a gen 4 remake as the next mainline games.
You say this like it's a controversial opinion lol
Nope. That would require them to not be deathly afraid of changing anything significant, which they've been since Gen 5
INB4 the SwSh "open world" bullshit
I feel like we'll never be ready if we keep waiting.
Personally, I feel like they're decent, SwSh and I would be happy with a DP remake in that style, and we know they usually improve even if they're from the same generation anyways, so it can't be that bad.
It's just that I don't understand why Sinnoh remakes have to be the perfect, ultimate games. They can still improve more if they remake HGSS or BW or XY in the future.
Though, I was thinking that FRLG came out 8 years after original RG. HGSS, 10 years after GS. ORAS, 12 years after RS. LGPE, 14 years after FRLG. So maybe, if we follow that pattern, we won't get DP remakes until 16 years later, aka, 2022? I don't want to wait that long :(
Personally, I feel like they're decent, SwSh and I would be happy with a DP remake in that style, and we know they usually improve even if they're from the same generation anyways, so it can't be that bad.
It's just that I don't understand why Sinnoh remakes have to be the perfect, ultimate games. They can still improve more if they remake HGSS or BW or XY in the future.
Though, I was thinking that FRLG came out 8 years after original RG. HGSS, 10 years after GS. ORAS, 12 years after RS. LGPE, 14 years after FRLG. So maybe, if we follow that pattern, we won't get DP remakes until 16 years later, aka, 2022? I don't want to wait that long :(