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While I do not deny that there is a hatred for Concord from PlayStation fans, I do not think that really bleeds over into PC. I doubt that the whole "PS Studios is doing too much live service games" conversation has much of an effect on the PC community. They aren't on their knees begging for more single player games from Sony like those who own a PS5. They just play whatever comes their way really. Concord just didn't catch on at all in the PC crowd after two weekends of the beta. If a AAA game from a studio full of veterans can't get more than 2,400 players on at any point in a beta, then that is a bad sign. Yes, there is plenty of hate going around between "controversies" like live service/GAAS and pronouns, but that alone isn't going to drag the game this bad. Helldivers 2 was certainly able to beat the former and become a success. While the $40 price tag probably hurts given that it is a hero shooter, it is proven time and time again that people are willing to pay for great games. I think that there is a good game in Concord, I had fun with the beta, but it seems to be missing that "it" factor that will keep it from going viral.

The only other thing I can think of is the PSN requirement for PC being an issue. If that is legitimately hurting Concord's chances, then Sony needs to examine that.
This. I think there was too much trying to find the boogeyman of why the numbers aren't good, people just aren't interested in it, it seems. I know this is the PlayStation Studio thread, and I myself put PS games on somewhat of a pedestal also, but not every game needs to be vehemently defended because it's associated with the brand. I'm not saying people didn't genuinely defend the game because they liked it, but I feel like of this was an EA or Ubisoft game, this game would not have taken up so much of the conversation and energy that it did. And on the flip side, I don't think it would have received much of the vitriol it did either.

I think maybe FairGame$ has a better shot if the game is very different than what is already out there. For me personally. I had fun with Concord, but I was never gonna be a hero shooter guy so I was never the audience. But it was fun enough that I may pick up on discount.
 

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Hmm.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but if Concord is "too generic" then what the fuck is Marvel Rivals?

You really cannot compare a hero shooter featuring some of the most popular characters on the planet right now with a hero shooter with brand new lore and characters that frankly nobody cares about. Just not the same thing at all.

Also to call Marvel "generic" is kinda wild. I'm not even a Marvel guy AT ALL but those characters aren't generic they're iconic, and they're what generic shit is ripping off.
 
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Hmm.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but if Concord is "too generic" then what the fuck is Marvel Rivals?
Marvel Rivals isn't generic. It has a distinct cast of characters and a distinct style. You look at Spider-Man and you know its Spider-Man. It's kind of the antithesis of genetic. Generic would mean it could be anything. It doesn't stand out as it's own. Marvel Rivals does stand out as the Marvel hero shooter.
 

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Anyone is playing Jeanne d'Arc? Actually surprised when I see Level 5 on the splash screen. I forgot this was made by them.

Been enjoying it 3 hours in, kinda slow, but I'm a sucker for this kind of tactic RPG anyway.

Gilles is a cool character.
Level 5 had such potential to become a great studio.. kinda sad to see where are they are at now. Ni No Kuni nearly killed my interest in japanese rpgs.. never played a game before where its budget was so front loaded in the first 1/5 of the game or so. Absolute slog to get through.
 
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There's a good amount of content in Concord for launch, 16 Freegunners and 12 maps. They should work on having a trial version for the game with like 4 Freegunners and 3-4 maps to play in for free so people can get a feel for it. It does take a little while to catch on to the game because it's actually very different from Overwatch and Destiny Crucible in many ways.
 

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Anyone else's PS store not working? Or at least the search function?
 

Syne

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Earlier today on the App i couldnt open a game.
I saw the icons but when pressing to open the game screen it didn't work and just kept a black screen
My games seem fine but when I tried searching for the Ronin demo it just came up with "no results" same when I tried call of duty
 

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A couple more slides from the Concord server.

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Okay it seems to have fixed itself now, though it did think Ronin had a price tag of £319.99 lol
 

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While I'm not a big Battle Pass hater, I'm still glad to see Concord won't have them. If there's one thing Sony has been doing well with their live service stuff it's the microtransactions.
 

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Marvel Rivals isn't generic. It has a distinct cast of characters and a distinct style. You look at Spider-Man and you know its Spider-Man. It's kind of the antithesis of genetic. Generic would mean it could be anything. It doesn't stand out as it's own. Marvel Rivals does stand out as the Marvel hero shooter.

I'll only quote this post since lots of people have made a similar point - I was talking specifically about the game, not the cast.

I understand marvel is huge, and the cast is well known, but the game looks like Overwatch + Marvel characters, that's my point about it looking generic.

Maybe it has a lot going for it under the hood.
 
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I'll only quote this post since lots of people have made a similar point - I was talking specifically about the game, not the cast.

I understand marvel is huge, and the cast is well known, but the game looks like Overwatch + Marvel characters, that's my point about it looking generic.

Maybe it has a lot going for it under the hood.
I get what you mean, hero shooters are a dime a dozen. I didn't mean to dogpile or anything lol, but there is an obvious appeal to making an Overwatch-style hero shooter with well-known properties.
 

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To be fair to Concord... Marvel Rivals didn't have the mandatory "PlayStation Network account" login thing.

A generic the market responded to, clearly.
I dunno why we care about those labels anyways.
There isn't an interest in Concord on PC.
I'm sure the mandatory "PlayStation Network account" login thing had a bigger impact on the Beta access on PC than anything else the game has... just saying.
 

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I get what you mean, hero shooters are a dime a dozen. I didn't mean to dogpile or anything lol, but there is an obvious appeal to making an Overwatch-style hero shooter with well-known properties.

Ha that's OK, happy to have a different opinion to other folks.

I have nothing against the game, not played it etc, but find the difference in response interesting.

I'm sure the mandatory "PlayStation Network account" login thing had a bigger impact on the Beta access on PC than anything else the game has... just saying.

I'd be curious about this, but I think it might be overblown.
 

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So I decided to clean out my PS5s fan which actually wasn't too bad dust wise, but there was some slight visible dust stuck on the fan blades which needed a small wipe.

I disconnected the fan which was simple enough which I've done a few times before. However, the fan fell from my hands and hit the leg of my metal work bench. Two small plastic pieces broke off from two of the fins. Thankfully the two fins are still intact, it's just a small piece from the top of the fin that has broken off end to end. I've super glued one of them back on and it seems to be OK, the other I've left as it was a little finnicky to put back together.

I've reconnected everything back to the PS5 and the fan is working fine. Nothing peculiar. After a couple of hours of usage. Do you think it's fine to run it as is or would it better to replace it? You can see here the piece that has broken off and the super glue job on the fin next to it.
 
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So I decided to clean out my PS5s fan which actually wasn't too bad dust wise, but there was some slight visible dust stuck on the fan blades which needed a small wipe.

I disconnected the fan which was simple enough which I've done a few times before. However, the fan fell from my hands and hit the leg of my metal work bench. Two small plastic pieces broke off from two of the fins. Thankfully the two fins are still intact, it's just a little piece from the top of the fin that has broken off end to end. I've super glued one of them back on and it seems to be OK, the other I've left as it was a little finnicky to put back together.

I've reconnected everything back to the PS5 and the fan is working fine. Nothing peculiar. After a couple of hours of usage. Do you think it's fine to run it as is or would it better to replace it? You can see here the piece that has broken off and the super glue job on the fin next to it.
Do you know if the loose piece is anywhere inside the system, specifically within the fan assembly? if so, I would make sure you clear that out so it doesn't damage the fan any further.
 
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I'll only quote this post since lots of people have made a similar point - I was talking specifically about the game, not the cast.

I understand marvel is huge, and the cast is well known, but the game looks like Overwatch + Marvel characters, that's my point about it looking generic.

Maybe it has a lot going for it under the hood.

I think for a hero shooter specifically, the game kind of is the cast to some degree. Not to be too simplistic about it but having a character that you are compelled to play is super important considering how the gameplay is built around the abilities of the character.

I remember when I was playing Overwatch a decent amount a few years ago, so much of my positive experience with the game was feeling drawn to the characters I was playing as.

I didn't know any of those characters beforehand and came to really like them, so hopefully the same thing happens with Concord, but something like Marvel Rivals will understandably have a leg up in this department.
 

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Do you know if the loose piece is anywhere inside the system, specifically within the fan assembly? if so, I would make sure you clear that out so it doesn't damage the fan any further.

I've got the loose piece with me which I've set aside. I did initially try to super glue it back on but it was a little finnicky. I might try it again next time but yeah, there's no loose pieces. The fin next to the broken one I've been able to reattach successfully and so far after a couple of hours of usage, it's still glued on. I'm hoping the damage isn''t bad enough that it'd require me spending money to get a replacement which I'd rather not.
 
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I've got the loose piece with me which I've set aside. I did initially try to super glue it back on but it was a little finnicky. I might try it again next time but yeah, there's no loose pieces. The fin next to the broken one I've been able to reattach successfully and so far after a couple of hours of usage, it's still glued on. I'm hoping the damage isn''t bad enough that it'd require me spending money to get a replacement which I'd rather not.
Okay then I wouldn't worry about it. As long as there are no other pieces, you don't need to reglue it on, because it may fall out again.
 

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I'm more talking about the response *to* Concord.

- Don't need another hero shooter
- Super generic
- Who asked for this
- Too similar to Overwatch

Curious to see if there's any hatred towards Rivals in the same vein.
Free game with SM, Venom etc vs 40 bucks game filled with Guardians wannabes. I'm not hating on Concord but we can clearly see which game has more chances to succeed.
 

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To be fair to Concord... Marvel Rivals didn't have the mandatory "PlayStation Network account" login thing.


I'm sure the mandatory "PlayStation Network account" login thing had a bigger impact on the Beta access on PC than anything else the game has... just saying.
Doubt it, people just aren't interested. I mean it wasn't really popping off on psn either, the pre orders are low even after the open beta.

Things could change of course I'm just observing, that's all.
 

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I've got the loose piece with me which I've set aside. I did initially try to super glue it back on but it was a little finnicky. I might try it again next time but yeah, there's no loose pieces. The fin next to the broken one I've been able to reattach successfully and so far after a couple of hours of usage, it's still glued on. I'm hoping the damage isn''t bad enough that it'd require me spending money to get a replacement which I'd rather not.
I'm not sure how good the structure on these fans are but a missing fin might potentially cause your fan to be off balance. Personally I would find a replacement but if you're able to properly reattach the piece you might be alright 👍🏻
 
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Concord is a brand new IP in a crowded field by an unproven development studio - I don't think they're expecting massive preorder numbers and they're going to stick with the game and build it up over time, even if it feels like it's gonna be a pretty soft launch.
 

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I'm not sure how good the structure on these fans are but a missing fin might potentially cause your fan to be off balance. Personally I would find a replacement but if you're able to properly reattach the piece you might be alright 👍🏻

Even if it's a small piece of the fin? The fin I'd say is 97% intact, it's just a small piece from the top of the fin that has broken off. Would that still cause balance issues?
 

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Even if it's a small piece of the fin? The fin I'd say is 97% intact, it's just a small piece from the top of the fin that has broken off. Would that still cause balance issues?
Oh that's not much at all then, I thought the whole fin was off. I can't say for certain but I doubt it would be that bad if it's only a tiny piece, I'd just risk using that tbh
 

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The Conord beta was so fun with only 4-5 maps and 3 character variants. Speaking for myself, I can't wait for the full thing.
 

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I think the designs in Concord are pretty bad. They are not "wow, that's cool" but rather weird and all over the place.
 

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Concord is a brand new IP in a crowded field by an unproven development studio - I don't think they're expecting massive preorder numbers and they're going to stick with the game and build it up over time, even if it feels like it's gonna be a pretty soft launch.

Firewalk is one month out from the launch. They are not going to make fundamental changes to the game at the last second like switch to F2P. Those changes would move the game a lot farther back.

At this point, what they have is what they have. They can make improvements to the game as time goes on, but there isn't going to be any radical last minute changes now.
 

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I'm not the target audience for Concord but damn it seems like the game is going to fail even though from all accounts is a complete game and is fun to play. Also one critique I see a lot is Playstation need new IP, people are tired of sequels. They made one and people are now comparing it to Marvel Rivals which has established characters but when Sony does more licensed stuff they complain. Just an observation.
 
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Firewalk is one month out from the launch. They are not going to make fundamental changes to the game at the last second like switch to F2P. Those changes would move the game a lot farther back.

At this point, what they have is what they have. They can make improvements to the game as time goes on, but there isn't going to be any radical last minute changes now.

Nor should there be, I think they've got a good foundation to build on. Game is fun and off to a good start, and it's just gonna take more people giving it a shot and spreading positive word of mouth to keep it growing as they add more content.
 

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I'm not the target audience for Concord but damn it seems like the game is going to fail even though from all accounts is a complete game and is fun to play. Also one critique I see a lot is Playstation need new IP, people are tired of sequels. They made one and people are now comparing it to Marvel Rivals which has established characters but when Sony does more licensed stuff they complain. Just an observation.
Not talking about concord necessarily but it's always new ip = good game, until people don't like the new ip and ask the devs to go back to an old and underrated ip and then they get bored of said ip and the cycle repeats again
 

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Firewalk is one month out from the launch. They are not going to make fundamental changes to the game at the last second like switch to F2P. Those changes would move the game a lot farther back.

At this point, what they have is what they have. They can make improvements to the game as time goes on, but there isn't going to be any radical last minute changes now.
Did you quote the wrong person by chance? I'm confused because that person wasn't talking about making fundamental/radical changes.
 
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