They read the same text as you from the OP. How do YOU interpret Sony's message?
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PlayStation 4 Backwards Compatability for PS5 won't be 100% at launch, PS5 too fast for some titles, tweaks and testing on game-by-game basis
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I think it's more like out of the 100 we tested (the 100 most played) almost all worked, the rest have not been tested but would be reasonable to assume a similar ratio of working/not working.
If anything first party and/or big titles should be the ones with the highter chance of working and being better optimized for the new hardware.
I hope so, because the majority of my games and preorders are digital.
I think a lot of people here didn't got what Cerny was trying to say. If I understand it correctly, there won't be "around 100 BC games from PS4 available at PS5". He just stated PS5 will have a sort-of "emulator" of PS4 and PS4 Pro, which technically makes all of PS4 games playable. They just only tested around hundred of them if its working properly. Most of them worked, some requires further patching from the developers themselves because code is unstable on a new hardware. There is a similar case with newer versions of OS in PC gaming. You can run every PC game, but some of the older ones might not work properly and requires patches to make them compatible on a newer hardware. So nothing to worry, probably more games will be playable and those unstable will end up patched.
I can't imagine why that would be the case as it had to have been since this is hardware BC it seems.
Again, if all the PS4 games worked out of the box, why not straight out say it instead of talking about the top-100 games? I mean, sure, maybe they got the marketing wrong, but I am more inclined to thinking that that's what will be available.
I took it as, 100 games have been tested and run well and the rest may still work but are untested.
When MS first started doing BC it wasn't 100% either. They are just being honest about where they are at. And the current message isn't that 100 will be ready at launch. The current message is that they have tested 100 games and nearly all of them are fine. The current message is that 100 games is the current situation. They haven't said what the launch situation is.
Am I understanding it correctly that every game will work perfectly on legacy mode but some games won't be able to take advantage of the new hardware to run better on native? It's full BC but partial improvements?
I expect it to be like boost mode. They're starting off with conservative messaging but if 95% games work fine, they'll likely just let you play anything but with caveats you may have some titles with issues. And then work with publishers to patch as many as possible.
Yeah, they have:
They expect to have almost all of those 100 at launch and that's all. There is no full BC with enhanced BC for 100 games. It's 100 games at most.
Mhm, I think Sony made a big mistake by overestimating the listening comprehension of many people.
Message should be very clear to most of the audience, and sure it is not.
Anyone who did not watch the video, should do for this part. The meaning, word by word, is - due to boosted frequencies , and despite compatibility being DESIGNED in the chips (not the boost mode, boost frequencies meaning all chipsets operate at clocks that are different/higher than PS4 and Pro. Doesn't say anything else) some software may not work ok (now I presume he wanted/should say) as was not coded/tested for the new clocks/circumstances. But , as they tested top 100 games for compatibility issues, they got very promising results (which I am taking, little to no issues) and most of that software will work with no issues. But as can't be guaranteed for all, testing will need to be done case by case.
That's al that was said, anything else is assumptions and speculation. Which everybody is free to absorb, and this is where issue with Sony comms is,. They should make it very clear to everybody what they mean.
Message should be very clear to most of the audience, and sure it is not.
Anyone who did not watch the video, should do for this part. The meaning, word by word, is - due to boosted frequencies , and despite compatibility being DESIGNED in the chips (not the boost mode, boost frequencies meaning all chipsets operate at clocks that are different/higher than PS4 and Pro. Doesn't say anything else) some software may not work ok (now I presume he wanted/should say) as was not coded/tested for the new clocks/circumstances. But , as they tested top 100 games for compatibility issues, they got very promising results (which I am taking, little to no issues) and most of that software will work with no issues. But as can't be guaranteed for all, testing will need to be done case by case.
That's al that was said, anything else is assumptions and speculation. Which everybody is free to absorb, and this is where issue with Sony comms is,. They should make it very clear to everybody what they mean.
This is the message in the OP:
I mean, talking about expanding coverage over time pretty much says it all.
Why don't Sony just clarify this simple point? Is it 100 ish at launch with more to come or most of the top 100 are already working so expect most games to work at launch and we will keep going with the rest.
This is what I took from it, but the message wasn't clear at all. In fact, I'm not even sure now how it works.
I'd be pissed if my whole PS4 digital library is not playable on PS5 from day one. Boost mode and come later, but I want to be able to play my more obscure titles like Kerbal Space Program, ultimate Chicken Horse etc etc and not jus the top 100.
I think it will work this way. You may run every game released on PS4. If it has Pro Mode, you can benefit from all of Pro features. But the solution they went with works more like a emulation than using exactly the same chipset, which won't give you a 100% guarantee this will run flawlessly without official support from developers. This may have an impact on a performance of some certain games (aka some may work too fast, crashes, etc). That's why he stated this will be tested by "case by case" basis.
Actually sorry, I got the Cerny quote wrong. The current message is that of the 100 top they expect almost all of them to be ready at launch, but that doesn't say anything beyond that 100.
The reasonable thing to assume is that BC will be proportional, so the majority of games will be fine. I do agree they need to clarify though.
I mean, this seems pretty clear:
Gaming sites are reporting that 100 games will be playable at launch, and the talk about expanding coverage.I hope to be wrong, because ideally I wanted to trade my PS4Pro into PS5 at launch, but this seems crystal clear.
Anyone else think Sony are being deliberately vague about the BC because they don't want to hurt sales of upcoming exclusives on PS4?
I was actually going or wait till the PS5 was released before playing the likes of FFVII or TLOU2 but I'm certainly getting it now when they're released. I don't know if that was their intention but it certainly worked on me.
I was actually going or wait till the PS5 was released before playing the likes of FFVII or TLOU2 but I'm certainly getting it now when they're released. I don't know if that was their intention but it certainly worked on me.
I took the comments to mean they have only tested ~100 games that will be ready at launch, more games to be added at later dates.
Otherwise I don't see the point mentioning 100 games in the first place
Otherwise I don't see the point mentioning 100 games in the first place
Thanks! I hope Sony clarifies it soon since I already made plans to give my PS4 away to someone lol.
All I ask is they have Bloodborne + Persona 5 Royal working. They can take their sweet ass time getting other games running for all I care.
We'll have to wait, but assuming that there are still more than six months until launch and their promise is to have 100 games ready at launch, I wouldn't necessarily assume that the majority of games will be fine. The messaging makes it sound like it will be like when MS started with X360 BC, with games periodically added. Now, they might "get good" at it and speed things up eventually.
They need to clarify the discrepancy between Cerny's words and the blog post right now imo, unless the blog post is right I don't see why they wouldn't.
Because it can actually run PS4 software. Clocks may be slowed but the machine will still have 7 years of efficiencies that can't be disabled.
Yes, that's what I'm saying, together those instruction interpreters and faster processing have sub 100% compatibility with PS4 games. Which is why Cerny and the PlayStation blog talk about 100 games that they expect to be playable at launch. Not that there will be 100 enhancements for launch, just "playable" to account for that compatibility.
I admire both your commitments to seeing this from another angle, but I just can't square this circle myself. I would love to be wrong and be able to swap out my Pro to the 5 come launch, but I don't see it with the materials we've been provided.
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no. They are saying that they are expecting almost 100 games to be playable at launch on PS5.
In another words, they took these 100 games, did a cursory check on all of them and determined that they can make most of them work flawlessly during console launch. After that they will move on to testing and patching other games beyond these titles.
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Pretty much. It seems to me people is making some pretty convoluted arguments as to what Cerny actually meant, whereas if BC simply worked out of the box with all PS4 titles at launch they would state it very clearly.
If the media was incorrectly interpreting Sony's message then you'd think they would have issued a clarification. Else they're just letting websites run false info on their new console.
I'm kinda surprised anyone invests into backwards compatibility a lot of money to be made from remasters.
Where does the confusion lie?
I just read the blog post and it states exactly what cerny said
I just read the blog post and it states exactly what cerny said
Sony picked the worst generation to not fully embrace BC. There are so many important games on PS4 unlike the previous consoles. The industry has changed and people continue to play many games for years on end. I understand that allot of those games will be in that "top 100" but you gotta remember how many obscure PS4 games there are, and how that sort of defined what is probably the greatest console of all time.
I wonder if developers have a say so in their games being part of that list. If not, then its a real middle finger to those people and the player base.
I wonder if developers have a say so in their games being part of that list. If not, then its a real middle finger to those people and the player base.
Sure, but when your main competitor offers BC with enhancements it will certainly be a contrast.
But it sounds like it's going to be much better than the gimped PS3 or xbox360 BC. I'm talking the PAL PS3 here where they took it out and it was software only.
Also I hope they somehow get a PS2/PS3 emulator working. Would love to play my old disc games. I don't see why it shouldn't be possible. A 10TF machine should handle emulation easily.
Microsoft is so far behind on solid exclusives that I think Sony could get away with it.
I'm hoping this is correct because only 100 titles being BC at launch would suck
I could also see that happening, but in an increasingly digital world I don't think it makes much sense that your purchases are tied to a certain hardware.
Yep, supporting PSVR hardware is kinda pointless if the games are not working.
What Cerny said was pretty clear
They tested only the top 100 and most were fine. Likely the ratio of games that will be fine across the entire library will be roughly the same as that ratio for the top 100
In other words, the vast majority of games will work well at launch and some of those that don't can be sorted out via patches down the line
edit: hm, listening again, maybe i'm wrong
They tested only the top 100 and most were fine. Likely the ratio of games that will be fine across the entire library will be roughly the same as that ratio for the top 100
In other words, the vast majority of games will work well at launch and some of those that don't can be sorted out via patches down the line
edit: hm, listening again, maybe i'm wrong
We just don't know currently, we just hope. My biggest complain is load times and I hope that Sony lifts the limit from the operating system so disks can be read as fast as possible.
I'm gonna be the one that's dumb enough to ask: Boost mode is what he is talking about with the top 100 games, but the rest will still work, just not enhanced?
