They don't need to do it, the people making the game have no interest in doing it, so what good is there in forcing them to do it? You should look into devs/games that are interested in this topic and play those games. Otherwise you'll end up in a few years making a thread "Atlus messed up representation" when they have no intention of conveying a more inclusive representation.
In short, let devs make what they want, play or don't play.
Well they are already putting LGBT characters in their games and they are doing it, for the most part of the time, in a very bad and offensive way so...It doesn't need to. One thing is if you want that but the series really doesn't need that, especially if the developers aren't into the idea of adding those dating options.
It is a touchy subject anyways and if they do force themselves to do it you will probably see people whining that they didn't do it the "right way".
It really does not, but I would not be against it. At least, only if it is handled respectfully and not like an awkward BioWare way of handling a gay relationship.
I am honestly pretty surprised people take Kanji's arc to directly mean he had to be gay. Being a teen and first starting to recognize what you like or where you fit in within the world can be an especially difficult thing for many people. Hell, he might just be bisexual. Yosuke having a cut gay relationship feels like it would carry a lot more weight to me personally, kind of surprised they never went through with it in Persona 4 Golden. It would've made sense with how insecure he is.
lol literally nothing of what I'm saying is homophobic you dweeb. How do you function in the real world? Convince me why Persona 6 needs homosexual relationships, especially with how poorly Atlus has treated them in the past. I don't know why anyone would speak as behalf of a population as if they're a monolith.I don't need to convince you of shit my dude, homosexuality is a normal part of human life and should be an option in the game.
If you need "convincing" that is some homophobic shit full stop
lol literally nothing of what I'm saying is homophobic you dweeb. How do you function in the real world? Convince me why Persona 6 needs homosexual relationships, especially with how poorly Atlus has treated them in the past. I don't know why anyone would speak as behalf of a population as if they're a monolith.
Do I welcome it? Fuck yeah. Does it matter? No.
No it doesn't, it's not like there aren't Japanese media, including games, that already tackled this properly.
If you notice, there are so few Atlus games that have female protagonists. I'd say many people inside Atlus share the same views as Hashino.I'd like that. I'd like a FeMC, too. Personally, I don't like the dating aspect but I get that others do.
I'd really like to shake things up at the top and get that one guy off the brand altogether. That feels like job one. Atlus really ought to get their shit on straight with this and other properties
Sure, but again, speaking on behalf of a sexuality like it's a monolith is never a good strategy.I think what they're trying to say is that whatever justification was set to let straight chatacters happen, is equally ample justification to greenlight LGBT characters.
Stuff like "they're ill equipped/they'll fuck it up" is no excuse. It reads a bit like the inclusivness version of "HD towns are hard".
I agree, behavior and decisions over several years & several titles suggest a corporate perspectiveIf you notice, there are so few Atlus games that have female protagonists. I'd say many people inside Atlus share the same views as Hashino.
lol literally nothing of what I'm saying is homophobic you dweeb. How do you function in the real world? Convince me why Persona 6 needs homosexual relationships, especially with how poorly Atlus has treated them in the past. I don't know why anyone would speak as behalf of a population as if they're a monolith.
Do I welcome it? Fuck yeah. Does it matter? No.
You're the dude who called me homophobic, but yeah, my pot's definitely blacker than yours.Name calling doesn't make you look smarter or more reasonable.
"Do I welcome it? Fuck yeah" bullshit, you are there arms crossed asking to be convinced this is a good idea.
You're the dude who called me homophobic, but yeah, my pot's definitely blacker than yours.
Man P5 is disappointing and it's not even the LGBT thing just in generalThis is literally what I was expecting Persona 5 to be when it was first announced thanks to the 'find emancipation, you are slave' teasers, and I was so hyped for it. You have no idea how upset I was when it turned out to just be teenagers whining about "shitty adults" for 80 hours.
Man P5 is disappointing and it's not even the LGBT thing just in general
Nah, fuck that.
As fans we must pressure them to make shit we want to see, especially when it's something as normal as a homosexual relationship. If they don't listen and want to be conservative as fuck, it is their right. But we can still complain and apply pressure to see representation.
Saying "they were homophobic in the past, so they might screw up representation so better not try" is ridiculous ethranes.
Can you imagine if fans of all types of media had the same "pressure them to make shit we want" mentality? Imagine putting that same kind of pressure on artists, musicians, film makers, designers, inventors etc. Imagine that same pressure had been put on creators throughout history. What would we have ended up with?
We should let creatives do what they do best and either enjoy their work or move along if we don't like it. Some of the best games have been made thanks to publishers giving developers all of the creative freedom they need. Putting pressure on a creative process yields poor results.
Saying "pressure them to make shit we want" is ridiculous, Kurdel
Can you imagine if fans of all types of media had the same "pressure them to make shit we want" mentality? Imagine putting that same kind of pressure on artists, musicians, film makers, designers, inventors etc. Imagine that same pressure had been put on creators throughout history. What would we have ended up with?
We should let creatives do what they do best and either enjoy their work or move along if we don't like it. Some of the best games have been made thanks to publishers giving developers all of the creative freedom they need. Putting pressure on a creative process yields poor results.
Saying "pressure them to make shit we want" is ridiculous, Kurdel
It doesn't need to. One thing is if you want that but the series really doesn't need that, especially if the developers aren't into the idea of adding those dating options.
It is a touchy subject anyways and if they do force themselves to do it you will probably see people whining that they didn't do it the "right way".
Can you imagine if fans of all types of media had the same "pressure them to make shit we want" mentality? Imagine putting that same kind of pressure on artists, musicians, film makers, designers, inventors etc. Imagine that same pressure had been put on creators throughout history. What would we have ended up with?
We should let creatives do what they do best and either enjoy their work or move along if we don't like it. Some of the best games have been made thanks to publishers giving developers all of the creative freedom they need. Putting pressure on a creative process yields poor results.
Saying "pressure them to make shit we want" is ridiculous, Kurdel
Oh, you think they don't get pressure to include waifus and all that other shit? They are one of the companies the most guilty of fan service, why is my request ridiculous, again?
Saying same-sex relationship representation would upend creative freedom is what's ridiculous smh
I can 100% assure you Persona 5 has 9 'waifus' to choose from due to Atlus wanting to sell tons of figures and merch. Do you think Hashino and Soejima just pulled them from thin air?
The pressure they're under may very well be the problem to begin with. Having more pressure put on them from fans isn't going to help anything.
Japan's culture is also very different than that of the US, so there's a good chance that pressure is just going to fall on deaf ears.
I'm all for having any type of relationships we want in the next Persona, but I'll never agree with putting pressure on creatives. Maybe because I've been in that situation myself.
Not being homophobic is universal dude. Unless you're calling Japanese culture inherently homophobic.Japan's culture is also very different than that of the US, so there's a good chance that pressure is just going to fall on deaf ears.
Because Atlus has been notoriously bad at this.I don't understand why Japan is being singled out for exclusionary towards LGBT content when Western game really companies aren't that much better. See: Ubisoft's fuck-up.
Japan, not Atlus itself.
Now that's just outright false, some of if not all of your favorite video games, movies, and anything were made from a result of continuous pressure and limitations be it in the form of technology, peer demands or fan demands. This game made from complete creative freedom you speak of doesn't exist.Can you imagine if fans of all types of media had the same "pressure them to make shit we want" mentality? Imagine putting that same kind of pressure on artists, musicians, film makers, designers, inventors etc. Imagine that same pressure had been put on creators throughout history. What would we have ended up with?
We should let creatives do what they do best and either enjoy their work or move along if we don't like it. Some of the best games have been made thanks to publishers giving developers all of the creative freedom they need. Putting pressure on a creative process yields poor results.
Saying "pressure them to make shit we want" is ridiculous, Kurdel
What an absolute fucking failure of a creator someone must be if "treating LGBT+ people like human beings" is such a fucking insurmountable hurdle. Like, they may be awful at what they do if that is something they can't overcome in their game about social rebellion, and that thought somehow never even comes to fucking mind. And nevermind making something out of outright ignorance, but to look at the years of criticism since, and to make something actively worse like they're doing with Catherine.Can you imagine if fans of all types of media had the same "pressure them to make shit we want" mentality? Imagine putting that same kind of pressure on artists, musicians, film makers, designers, inventors etc. Imagine that same pressure had been put on creators throughout history. What would we have ended up with?
We should let creatives do what they do best and either enjoy their work or move along if we don't like it. Some of the best games have been made thanks to publishers giving developers all of the creative freedom they need. Putting pressure on a creative process yields poor results.
Saying "pressure them to make shit we want" is ridiculous, Kurdel
I'm currently playing through P4. Game is nice enough. Soundtrack's fun. I like the cast for the most part. I can also take the fanservice and most of Yosuke's yammering about scoring chics in stride. Everything doesn't have to be tailored specifically for me. That's fine. But maaan, Kanji's arc is some bullshit. I dunno what their intention was with this character, but imo, it doesn't come across well at all..
This is also maybe just my interpretation, but the story came across to me like rescuing him "cured" him of identifying/being lgbt.
If the game doesn't need gay romance options, then it also doesn't need straight romance options.
And we know that wouldn't fly because people love their waifus.
It is 2019. Enough with the excuses. LGBT people exist and you're gonna tell me you can date nine different women, including your f*cking teacher, but they couldn't be arsed to put ONE guy to date?
Persona 2 had a gay character. That was 20 years ago. The bar is so low, and all the lukewarm takes are honestly just as annoying as the constant omission of gay people in games.
You should finish his arc because it's not bullshit at all.
Yeah, that's not what happened.