Then if you are morally brankrupt, it's the right move to make I guess.
If I backed the game with the expectation of adding the game on my steam library, I'd be very annoyed by this.
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PC Version of Phoenix Point (X-Com spiritual successor, crowdfunded game) 1 year exclusive to the Epic Game Store
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Then if you are morally brankrupt, it's the right move to make I guess.
If I backed the game with the expectation of adding the game on my steam library, I'd be very annoyed by this.
At least we'll get a Jim Sterling video on this dissecting how it is impacting the consumer and how Epic is actually creating a monopoly now despite their claims of competition and ironic mentions of Steam being a monopoly. Right?
That very much seems like the case at the moment.
I was (am) a late backer and just requested my refund. Not because of any undying love for Steam, but because crowd funding relys 100% on the backers' good will and making a deal behind their backs breaks that beyond any repair.
The easiest answer to that is that you are not particularly confident in your game's success, and would rather take money immediately than expect a good launch.
Of course, it takes a special brand of callousness to make that decision for a crowdfunded game, where you promised your most ardent supporters a Steam or GoG release.
Assuring your indie studio survival for another game is more important for these devs than the angry nerds being mad at you on social media.
There nothing more than money.
If Epic wants to fund DLC and keep it exclusive that's fine but to remove the game from other stores from a crowdfunding game makes no sense to me.
Lol, I guess so!
btw, even if you wait a year, they won't give you anything on steam or gog
it's epic or nothing for your backer rewards. what a turd
it's epic or nothing for your backer rewards. what a turd
Is the backlash outside of ERA and a few other places (ive seen critical responses in an RPS article....) really as big as we maker it out to be?
You shut your dirty mouth.
Fucking Randy's gonna do it, too, his beef with Valve is well known.
I guess the angry nerds that crowdfunded the game and are the only reason it exists, no longer matter
If the game bombed on Steam, they (might) have to close or expect that another crowfunding is successful to keep operating. I guess that people would like some stability on their lives rather than please backers.
So you think they will make enough off of the EGS and their exclusivity check to fully fund another game without crowdfunding or a publisher?
Because they aren't ever going to get another crowdfunding attempt again.
Pissing off your backers is a great way to make sure a bunch of people have second thoughts when you announce a new game.
What's so rotten about this is that they're using the good will of Steam users and other PC gamers to generate interest and a funding base and then reaching out to someone else for more money and an exclusivity deal. I don't know the details and terms of Fig investors and if they have any legal recourse, but this hurts Fig directly, and Fig will likely need to respond since this will make people lose faith in Fig as a platform if developers can unilaterally take these money deals which would impact the returns of Fig investors.
Good luck selling next game to people who you pissed previously.
Yes, I think they are seeing enough moneyhating + higher revenue and exposure as a way to stay afloat and develop one more game,rather than bank their future on Steam sales.
Not just them, but other developers out there as well. If you're anti-EGS for any reason you should be very hesitant to back any game.
Uh, this game would not have exposure problems on Steam.
And unless this game sells equally on EGS to steam , the game would have easily made more money on Steam then just selling on EGS, ignoring the exclusivity check.
So unless Epic is literally funding the next game without being a publisher,
I call bullshit on that.
Business that rely on sales? What kind of sorcery would be that thing?
I get that. Feels like a bait and switch. I might be pissed if I wasn't solely focused on just getting the game. I'm a huge fan of Gollop and XCOM so I'd pretty much go anywhere for this game.
If they get the sales they promised I'm sure they'll have enough to keep going, at least based on the idea that a full year of support is going on.
I don't hate on anyone being soured by this sort of thing when they would have gotten Steam or GOG keys, but at the same time this seems to me to be the exact kind of example of game they'd otherwise want Epic to help fund, because if not the base game then at least DLC, etc. is in development. (Indeed, if this money is helping to go toward that support, it's probably better they announce this now rather than make the base game available on all platforms but the DLC be only on the Epic store.)
They have not announced any DLC plans, so them promising one year of DLC means literally nothing.
They could release nothing but cosmetics packs for a year and still fufill their deal. Backers didnt back the game for non-existent way in the future DLC, they backed to get the game where they wanted to get the game.
One more game might count as stability for Gollop - it'd probably take him through to roughly retirement age - but it's an odd business strategy to piss off the foundation of people who were both literally and metaphorically super-invested in your product.
I haven't seen a comment thread about anything regarding EGS that has more pro-EGS commenters than anti-EGS commenters. Even the many, many pro-EGS opinion columns that the games press have been producing ever since the store's announcement, the corresponding comment threads have been mostly negative at best.
Whether that affects the sales figures, I wouldn't be able to tell you for certain, but it would make logical sense that if the general gaming public (broadly speaking) doesn't like a store, they won't buy things from said store (again, broadly speaking).
Side note: GDC next week is going to be very interesting, and I would fully expect (at minimum) further details about how EGS is planning to open the floodgates. I would also not be surprised if we finally get some sales figures (officially or otherwise).
Even more so just not even giving a fuck about your fans who invested. I understand game development is hard, I personally know, but this is just straight up catastrophically bad from Epic and the dev. You are actively saying fuck you to people who invested in your game, how on earth could you do that to people who brought your games potential of nothing to actually making it a thing just boggles my mind.
This is crazy. It's a dev problem certainly, but this is also showing Epic give no fucks and are forcing their way into the market in the hopes they'll get you to weaken. It's fucking disgusting.
Even though they offer refunds, I still can't get over it. This is such a scummy move. You turn to crowdfunding to create your game. People believe in your project and they back you up. You gain their trust. Years later you're done and about to release the game and a store front approaches you for an exclusivity deal. You then take the time to assess their offer, calculate how much it would cost you in sells on steam plus the backers you'll need to refund, go with it anyway because profit and break any bound there was with the fans for the past few years, the ones who kept reading any possible update regarding the game, etc. Sure, there are some fans who won't care and simply will accept the Epic key instead but I feel like this is a treason for all the folks who disagree with all of this.
"Hey we'll make more money if we follow path B from now on. Oh well lol"
"Hey we'll make more money if we follow path B from now on. Oh well lol"
the two reddit threads and all their twitter replies are way more negative than here so