The context in which they're established.
Yes, I believe we are at an impasse. My concern however is not about why they are moving into the next segment, but about the establishment of events within that segment in relation to the events established just before it.
You can Google it. Those results mean that by the end of 2016, more people thought Bioshock Infinite, a game that came out in March, was a better game than Grand Theft Auto 5 or Mario 3D World. Considering the audience, I would expect more people on that site to be more critical of Bioshock Infinite in particular, yet it still did very well in GOTY votes on that site, as it did on other websites despite coming out 9 months in advance. Therefore its fair to say that the general consensus was that Bioshock Infinite was a very very good game through at least it's first year, which is what I was saying.
Fair point about the witch. I still think GoW4 does an inadequate job addressing the misogyny found in past God of War games.
The fact that they thought it was a good idea to begin with still speaks to their perspective at the time. And for a game that is meant to acknowledge and reflect upon prior ills, it feels like an odd omission thus far.
I don't think you've made a compelling argument for why it's totally dissonant. No one else seems convinced either.
Well, the game provides no direct context for anything given its general lack of text, so the only thing you can really assume is that the lights are metaphorical, given your goal is always a giant shining pillar of light in the distance. So light relating to progress is probably about the most context you can draw from them. Journey is mostly read as a meta-text rather than a direct text. I'm not really sure the comparison to God of War is all that apt, and it wasn't my intention to directly compare the two, only that it's a game where the elements are contextually cohesive (i.e., they make sense given the small amount of information you're given and within the time frames they are presented).
I mean, there could be any number of reasons given the establishing shot. It's clear there are elements bound up in tradition and familial piety, as well as characterizing the world and presenting us to the main characters.
Yes, I don't think I'm going to dissuade fans of the game to change their opinions. At least for the moment. I suspect opinions might be more open to change in a few years, but for most it's still too raw for them to see outside a context which isn't positive.
TLOU got 2268 points
Because BOTW doesn't have the baggage inherited from the Zelda franchise the way God of War does.
Or maybe people just don't agree with your reading of the game. This is very dismissive and a bit condescending tbh.
Is your goal to just get me to say criticism is arbitrary? I mean, I agree, it is, but continually making this argument just seems like you're trying to shut down discussion. My points are no more arbitrary than any other criticisms though, including your own.
You may be right, but I've yet to see a compelling argument as to why my reading is incorrect. Just lots of people stating why their reading is correct (mostly by obfuscating away from the point of discussion regarding the transition and context).
Because context matters. Collectibles might be appropriate at one moment and inappropriate in another, even within the same game. Collectibles themselves are not the issue, timing and the manner in which they're presented are.
That doesn't make this particular scenario any less mysognistic though.
No, they are giving you examples from the game to support their assertion. You don't have to agree with their interpretation, but you also don't need to handwave away someone else's argument by saying they aren't far removed enough from the game to be objective, but somehow you are.
Yes, but my issue is the "probably" in the sentence. It is subtext when it should be text. We could have learned about that aspect of her relationship with Kratos without spoiling any of the later details around her.
They're generally not addressing how we go from a period of mourning to toy boats in less than five minutes. Or perhaps more importantly, what's so important about the toy boat that it can't wait?
Except it can wait, because Kratos only picks up the boats if the player directs him to. They are completely optional. If you don't think they are important don't pick them up. I'm sure there is a significant number of players who didn't even bother. You would have a point if they were a required item, but they aren't and thus only have an effect on the game's pacing or presentation if the player so desires.
The trophy points to a pretty specific intent. You can't separate the sexist implications behind it.
If it's really this unimportant, why would it matter if it were simply moved elsewhere in the timeline, so as not to interrupt the current tone of the game? Same with the treasure chest under the stairs.
I strongly disagree. It interrupts what was, up until that point, something fairly serious and solemn.
But this isn't you coming home from a funeral. This is a story, and things that exist in the world should be in service to that. That includes mood and flow of the game - the toy appearing there interrupts that.
