Overemployment - Have you heard of it? Do you do it?
- Thread starter Mr. Snuffleupagus
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this tweet encapsulates what i was talking about. In my experience many many people in office jobs dont actually "work" for 8 full hours, every day. They're forced to sit in a chair at an office for 8 hours, but that doesnt mean they're working.
oh, i have a meeting in 30 minutes, dont want to get too deep into anything, let me go to the bathroom, get some water and come back.
oh, need helpdesk to fix something, im not gonna work on anything else till thats fixed.
smoke break
and more.
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Two weeks in; everything going smoothly.
Got a KVM switch for swapping my inputs between devices and a couple of earphones for when meetings overlap.
Slightly tiring but nothing a good relax at the weekend won't cure.
Got a KVM switch for swapping my inputs between devices and a couple of earphones for when meetings overlap.
Slightly tiring but nothing a good relax at the weekend won't cure.
I'm a PhD computational data scientist/bioengineer.
I just got a weekend job at Crate & Barrel for in home decor/design...just for fun...lol.
I just got a weekend job at Crate & Barrel for in home decor/design...just for fun...lol.
thats awesome.
first paycheck hit yet? Thats the dopamine that helps you keep going.
care to give a ballpark of how much you raised your income?
good lad
I use two completely different keyboards lol. One on the desk and another on an attached keyboard tray.
lmao, so this is just the trendy white collar version of working class people's struggles and choosing to hold two jobs instead of having to?
I want to underwork. Now that I'm full time WFH I've wondered if my partner and I could team-up and work the same job.
I have in the past. I didn't mind it, and it certainly helped financial.
I worked in a field where it was standard, and I my case even encouraged, as long as it was done through official channels.
I worked in a field where it was standard, and I my case even encouraged, as long as it was done through official channels.
I do this. I finish my fulltime work generally quickly, so I fill in the extra time within the 8 hours with freelance. I enjoy my career, so I like getting to be part of more projects, but the main motivating factor is definitely being able to increase my take home salary. This is the only way I'm able to build towards a down payment to purchase property. It can get exhausting, even though I'm trying to contain it within the usual 8 hours.
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Started a week after starting this thread, one paycheck is weekly so that's been my usual income (outside IR35) - the other gig is Inside IR35 with monthly payments so I won't start seeing the £££ from that until end of March/April.
With the Outside IR35, it's only projected for 2~3 months, but assuming I worked for it for a full year, that would be 260x£240 = £62,400 (post-tax)
Adding on this Inside IR35 role, at £320 a day...it's a bit trickier to say, but even if tax was something silly like 40% that would still be £49,920 (post-tax)
So all-in-all TC post-tax is somewhere in the realm of £110~115k, assuming I worked in the roles all year.
Two weeks in and other than the 9:30am stand-ups, everything has been pretty easy and everyone is happy with me. Considering a 3rd role now... 👀
For reference, I grabbed these which have been doing the trick nicely:
Keyboard: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09F38TL4V/
KVM Switch: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B083TC68VQ/
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So I'm now 2 months into 2 jobs, with the latest 3 weeks just gone juggling 3.
It's been an interesting experience so far to say the least - I'm looking forward to the majority of the pay coming at the end of next week!
I guess if anyone has any questions; just ask away!
It's been an interesting experience so far to say the least - I'm looking forward to the majority of the pay coming at the end of next week!
I guess if anyone has any questions; just ask away!
Heh I brought up this idea to a friend of mine a few years ago. It just seemed logical... if you have a lot of downtime at one job, you can "stack" another job on top and devote the downtime to that. I never actually did try it, but I'd like to.
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It came about from a recruiter that was always pestering me, so I was like "Fine, I'll interview with them" then they offered haha
All 3 contracts go to End of June/July with potential to extend.
Assuming I worked all 3 FT for the full year, that'd be £232,700 / $305,200 before (a lot of) tax.
I have basically zero free time, but I'd do something like this part time to get some extra bread if I could. The whole overlapping 2 jobs though? Impossible.
Doesng exactly seem like it? Instead of working the jobs one after another, you're doing em at the same time. Idk why you'd do this unless you needed the money.
I don't think I've ever worked at a job or in a field where I could see how that would be realistically feasible. Unless I was very overqualified for the roles to begin with. I've definitely thought about weekend work, though.
that's nuts. But it's a shit load of money. I did it for about 6 months one time. Until a coworker called me while I was at a conference saying our boss thinks I'm working two jobs. So I bounced from that job, it was my least favorite anyway.
I wish you luck, get that bag while you can.
you don't know why you would double your income?
Like imagine going from making 100k to 200k?
Yeah double income sounds nice, but the potential for things to blow up in your face would make it too stressful.
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I will say that in the last 2 months, the recruiter from Job 1 did find out from their contacts/overhearing other roles available that I was doing OE - they basically said that as long as I keeping everyone happy, doing my work and not missing meetings then they didn't care. It hasn't been brought up since.
It's not really for recruiters to dob on you anyway as without contractors, they don't get their £££ - they know which way their bread is buttered lol
I don't see anything wrong with this. A senior software developer with a junior/mid position could maybe do the work in half the time. Now replace senior with highly skilled and it's the same damn thing. We all know titles are bullshit anyway. People should work to what the position description says to the level expected of everyone else. Unfortunately the reward for good work is more work. Until that changes any surplus value employees can generate should long to them, not their employer.
I choose to look at it as job security. Should one job fire me, I still got another.
No worse feeling than being unemployed with responsibilities and no income.
I would never even dream of trying this. However, I had a close friend who for reasons beyond his control recently worked 2 jobs for a week and a half (leaving one job while starting at the other place right before his tenure ended). I thought he was crazy but he got through it - for that week and a half he was making a prorated portion of a nice quarter million dollars a year as a salary -_-
This is stupid and scummy. Negotiate fewer hours if you think you can do your job in less time. Don't lie about the time you spend doing your job.
Being a remote worker is already difficult and has trust issues with employers, these fuckers make it even more difficult.
Being a remote worker is already difficult and has trust issues with employers, these fuckers make it even more difficult.
In an ideal world, yes. In this world - fewer hours for the same work means less pay, or your reward for getting the work done faster than your peers is more work for the same pay.
no, whats scummy is companies firing people without cause. over working people, choosing to pay new hires more than just giving your existing people raises. so on and so on.
i dont know what world you live in but "negotiate fewer hours" is a great way to tell your employer that you want a paycut.
I sort of did this in the worst possible way. My first job ever was a small, local consulting firm with a business model dependent on overemployment. The bosses of the company "worked" as consultants at like four different firms at a time, and then gave the grunt work for those four firms to newbies at the company whilst they attended calls and did the more complex parts of the work that the newbies couldn't handle. Once the new people there had several months of experience, they worked with them to create exaggerated resumes and sent those off to hopefully eventually get multiple projects as well. The overall pay was about.....half of what any of these contracts were. So people had to do this without actually reaping the benefits.
Now, I'm sort of an obsessive person and a slow worker, so I knew I wouldn't be able to handle actual overemployment. I dealt with this by requesting that I only have one contract, and then I helped out with the company in ways that were easier for me to do, like training new employees and creating project plans for the company, which my bosses were happy with. I usually had to work a few hours of overtime a week but overall I handled it decently well for my own limitations.
Now, I'm sort of an obsessive person and a slow worker, so I knew I wouldn't be able to handle actual overemployment. I dealt with this by requesting that I only have one contract, and then I helped out with the company in ways that were easier for me to do, like training new employees and creating project plans for the company, which my bosses were happy with. I usually had to work a few hours of overtime a week but overall I handled it decently well for my own limitations.
Nah - I don't do 4 hours of productive work a day to spend the 4 hours doing different productive work. Also, companies strongly frown upon working for another company while you're on the clock working for theirs - if you do it on their time, they're very likely to fire you.
I work a standard 9-5 office job. I also do quite a bit of freelance copywriting on the side. Since WFH started, I've pretty much exclusively dedicated one day per week of my 9-5 to working my freelance gigs. I still get all my regular work done, I retain my work/life balance - it's ideal.
That being said, I've recently taken a promotion that will mean I won't have time to do this anymore, so I'm parking my freelance contracts soon to focus on my full-time role
That being said, I've recently taken a promotion that will mean I won't have time to do this anymore, so I'm parking my freelance contracts soon to focus on my full-time role
I hadn't actually thought about this aspect. Anyone who's work requires SC would be almost immediately exclude from this, because they would need to transfer it over to the new org.
I've done it. Contract work while the salaried job has a lull in stuff to do. My employer didn't care as long as shit got done.