I'm in IT support and there's 0 way I'd mentally be able to do this. We have constant new tickets as an MSP.
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I'm in IT support and there's 0 way I'd mentally be able to do this. We have constant new tickets as an MSP.
many workplaces have some slack in staffing by design. people may have almost nothing to do for a few weeks, but then you have a couple of weeks suddenly where you're swamped and need all hands on deck, or you have a normal workload but suddenly half the staff is off because of sickness or family leave. because you have some slack in staffing, the people remaining can still manage. if you have a job like this, it's not only risky to have another secret moonlighting gig that can interfere when you're needed to step up for your main job, the downtime itself is valuable for your long-term well-being to help you recover in between the hectic weeks. if working double jobs becomes common, employers will start reducing that slack in their staffing, which will fuck over everyone and make every job stressful all the time
Some companies have policies against this. I know of a system admin who did this. It worked for a year, until he got caught and was forced to resign. Dude must have made some sweet money though. I estimate at least 100kx2 for 200k in that one year.
to be fair, not really no, companies were gonna do this one their own.
Is this job overlay for the same employer? Or different employers?
I think it would be difficult to juggle working for two different employers at the same time if that was the case.
I think it would be difficult to juggle working for two different employers at the same time if that was the case.
I always thought that this was BS because if you're putting software to monitor employees (and presumably someone to follow up and check said data) it means you should be firing/laying off middle management because obviously they aren't managing/giving out the work efficiently and their roles aren't needed.
My step dad was thinking about doing this. His day job is pretty much to sit and wait for something to break or if they have the twice a year big stuff. So he doesn't really do any work and was just bored.
Yea, I can see one employer getting pissed that you aren't totally focused on their work during your logged in shift.
You'd have to hide it and not do something bad like accidentally mixing up your work between the two companies. Like logging one companies clients or whatever on the other companies work sheets, for example.
Might lead to a non-compete legal issue.
You'd have to hide it and not do something bad like accidentally mixing up your work between the two companies. Like logging one companies clients or whatever on the other companies work sheets, for example.
Might lead to a non-compete legal issue.
At the beginning of the pandemic I started a new job, well there was a week where the old job and new job overlapped. That was stressful even though neither one were expected a lot from me, but trying to keep from having meetings between the two companies happened at the same time wore me out.
A couple weeks ago I let something slip through the cracks at my job because I was juggling a lot of tasks during that sprint. I was freaked out, stressed, frustrated with myself, and slightly worried I'd lose my job. I don't think I could handle two jobs and let something slip at both of them.
A couple weeks ago I let something slip through the cracks at my job because I was juggling a lot of tasks during that sprint. I was freaked out, stressed, frustrated with myself, and slightly worried I'd lose my job. I don't think I could handle two jobs and let something slip at both of them.
I did this for 2 months, worked out okay but scheduling was a big issue. One job would just put time on my calendar without asking and it would clash with meetings from another job and people on both sides would get upset about all the rescheduling. So I quit the one paying less. I made a LOT of money though.
If you can swing it, by all means, go for it. You'll just have to shore up on your organizational skills dramatically.
Ultimately though, I like the ability to nap throughout the day more than making money.
If you can swing it, by all means, go for it. You'll just have to shore up on your organizational skills dramatically.
Ultimately though, I like the ability to nap throughout the day more than making money.
I'm a developer so I imagine it's a lot of people with a similar workflow. And it's not that I don't have large chunks of free time during the workday, it's just that I'm so exhausted that I couldn't imagine doing another job instead of resting. :(
Yeah, I'm not endorsing it lol. It's just where I've heard of it happening more.
What do folks do on their LinkedIn? Or just not have an account?
Oh I know. It's just mind boggling.
It's not that hard. Just put yourself as an independent consultant.
Or don't update.
I just don't see all that juggling and lying worth it but some people do!
I thought of leaving my in-person job when it was really bad, and trying to get two lower paying, paper pushing WFH jobs where I could easily do a daily workload in just a couple hours for each. I think it would be more difficult in practice, even if I did manage to find two (or even one) WFH job.
But when I was WFH I hated having my work right next to where I relax (small apartment). Grass is always greener and all that..
But when I was WFH I hated having my work right next to where I relax (small apartment). Grass is always greener and all that..
Not risking my job to do another job during work hours. I'd be in violation of many agreements I've signed.
Never heard the term, but I know of someone who was fired/quit last fall from one position because they weren't able to keep up with meetings and work. It also appeared to coworkers that they were working at another location (school) on lots of their video calls.
I have enough stress in my life from one job/career, and it's a risk to continued employment. Nah, I'm good.
I have enough stress in my life from one job/career, and it's a risk to continued employment. Nah, I'm good.
Unless you're a contractor at at least one of the jobs how is this even possible? Everywhere I've worked salary you need X hours per pay period at the very least, no matter how fast you complete tasks. This would require X*2 hours which is generally a heavy burden but hey if you can work (X*2)+ hour per pay period and keep two employers happy, more power to you I guess? If we're implying time card fraud then that's of course a different story.
As far as I'm aware, if you want to legally bank on your efficiency, then you need to be a contractor/hourly with all the tradeoffs that come with that, which companies are fully aware of when negotiating your rates.
As far as I'm aware, if you want to legally bank on your efficiency, then you need to be a contractor/hourly with all the tradeoffs that come with that, which companies are fully aware of when negotiating your rates.
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Not a whole bunch, although that does depend on your country I suppose. Personally, though I have yet to try this; I'd theoretically have one contract run through my limited company (at 19% tax rate) and then the next contract as part of an umbrella. Assuming a £300 day rate, and something stupid like a 50% tax on the second job (which it would never be that high) that's still an extra £3000 per month for a small amount of extra work. These are napkin figures but you get what I mean.
Yeah, but with a lot of tech jobs - especially support roles - the ticketing system is basically monitoring how long it takes you to complete tasks. This strategy will not work with all types of jobs
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I mean, today I've had two (cameras-off) meetings, where I spent most of it figuring out what doughnuts to order on Deliveroo thanks to the Hostess thread - after that I have written 3 sentences in a report (418 letters) and washed my dog's towels. So yeah, that's why I've been feeling that I have space to fit in more work.
I would rather whole arse one job than half arse two. I appreciate you may have a lot of free time, but maybe that should encourage you to get ONE better job that pays more as you are clearly not maximising your potential.
I would think job hunting in this market is way less stressful than working two jobs.
I would think job hunting in this market is way less stressful than working two jobs.
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The next step up for me in job title is Director which includes people management (zero interest and I have Asperger's which makes it difficult for me) and also media planning (which again I have zero interest in and isn't super-fun to do as a contractor)
I've got to the point in my life where I don't actually know what I want to do with my life/what sparks joy, but that's for a whole other thread. In the meantime, treading water and making good money doing it is becoming a more tempting prospect.
not at all, as has been explained before many tech jobs are ebb and flow where there are things to do and then there's a lot of downtime and its not like they have timesheets you have to fill out. working 40 hours exactly every week is a myth imo for many office jobs. Again as i said earlier in the thread ive seen people playing world of warcraft, other video games, porn, watching other people play video games on youtube + all the bullshit breaks and small talk.
exactly this.
not at all.
lets say your single and make 90k a year and you pick a part time/second job for 70k, you're still in the 24% tax bracket and in fact depending on how you set it up you would be over paying on your taxes.
but even if you made 120k and picked up a second job for 100k thats 220k that bumps you up to the 35% tax bracket, your taxes would go from about 20k to about 48k. But its still an extra 70k in your pocket, give or take. Idunno about the rest of you but unless im a top tier software engineer there's no where im getting a 70k raise.
its not at all the hustle mentality. The hustle mentality says dont take vacations, i always took vacations when i had two jobs. Hustle mentality says bust your ass at one job, work extra at one job, be first in last to leave and kiss up to your boss to get promoted. This is more like fuck that mentality. I'm gonna get paid and fuck trying to get promoted and being a kiss ass.
I think it's important to remember how different jobs can be from each other too. It works for me because i'm just creating graphics and editing websites, there are no virtual meetings or people to consult with throughout the day. As long as i'm delivering we are good.
God damn, is that how low the US tax brackets are?
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Bit of a digression, but it does diminish the returns somewhat, especially with national insurance and such.
I think if you're confident you can do this without a great deal of risk to yourself or your household, more power to you. My primary concern is that employers will take their already incresingly totalitarian surveillance scheme to the next level because of a few examples of this making headlines. Not discouraging people doing it by any means, the problem is first and foremost the employers.
I work 12-hour shifts at a data centre and although we're not terribly busy during the week, during nights and weekends work is essentially non-existent so I use this time to work on my freelance web design stuff. If I don't have a job on, I'll use the time for studying instead.
I don't treat the freelance stuff as a "second job", though. I don't actively look for clients or market my services, but being in a position where I can comfortably "work 2 jobs" isn't too bad.
I don't treat the freelance stuff as a "second job", though. I don't actively look for clients or market my services, but being in a position where I can comfortably "work 2 jobs" isn't too bad.
Man I'd love to have one of those jobs that are just "here are your tasks for the week" and let you do them. I work an IT-related job but things are constantly happening and popping up. There's no way this would be possible for me.
I say power to the people that do this. It would probably breech contracts but it seems pretty lucrative if you have one of those cushy jobs.
I say power to the people that do this. It would probably breech contracts but it seems pretty lucrative if you have one of those cushy jobs.
yup. but like you said most people have to pay for their health insurance through their job. Or if they're a contractor they have to find some third party insurance which is very expensive. or just roll the dice and not have health insurance.
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Yes, it's not foolproof.
And pretty much the only way to make it work is to already have that first, slow-paced job, and seize an opportunity to get another one. It's not something you can plan for if you're currently unemployed and you can't shoehorn it into any remote job, the cards won't always fall that way.
No I'm content with my one job I don't actually do enough for. I think finding two job that don't notice I'm not working is a big ask.
Let me just go and find a job that pays me literally double what I make now for the same amount of work.