Where has anyone implied that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate?
Read the thread.
Where has anyone implied that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate?
I think you're looking at the wrong thread, i was talking about this one https://www.resetera.com/threads/epic’s-statement-on-misinformation-abuse.133100/Where has anyone implied that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate?
I think you're looking at the wrong thread, i was talking about this one https://www.resetera.com/threads/epic's-statement-on-misinformation-abuse.133100/
Could any of you please point out what specific post in this thread is implying that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate? I can't find any post that fits the bill. Are you imagining things or am I?I think you're looking at the wrong thread, i was talking about this one https://www.resetera.com/threads/epic's-statement-on-misinformation-abuse.133100/
Yes, of course, the garbage behavior by certain people deserves to be condemned. I did not get that read from the blog post, which also was written up and went out before anyone had any reactions.
It sucks for those of us who have reasonable things to sayThese aren't new reactions.. every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees; every announcement of a new game going exclusive is met with vitriol, hell we even had a thread about a devs game NOT making it to EGS and it was met with the same level of heat. There is a reason every EGS thread on this forum has to have a moderator threadmark, there are a lot of very angry dudes with sprinkled within the reasonable posts.
And I'm afraid that's precisely the angle they are going to play in the coming months. Even their press release has that vibe.The discourse that everyone that has a problem with EGS is part of a hate group is worrisome and scary.
Since I've read few of these threads and I know we are definitely NOT talking about "harassment" in this case (not on this forum, for sure), here comes the question:These aren't new reactions.. every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees; every announcement of a new game going exclusive is met with vitriol, hell we even had a thread about a devs game NOT making it to EGS and it was met with the same level of heat. There is a reason every EGS thread on this forum has to have a moderator threadmark, there are a lot of very angry dudes with sprinkled within the reasonable posts.
Oh, since that poster could not, and since you seem to agree with them, could you please point me to anyone saying or implying that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate? I'm starting to suspect you all are maybe making things up. Or are possibly suffering from some kind of persecution complexAnd I'm afraid that's precisely the angle they are going to play in the coming months. Even their press release has that vibe.
I can see where this is going in the near future. Be ready to be guilt-tripped into submission or constantly painted like some sort of unhinged lunatics (most likely for the sins of someone else) by the gaming press and the charming community of indie devs on twitter.
Hate against devs are not the reason why the Staff Post and heat happens in EGS threads tho. Those threads get heated because they all become a huge shouting match between the people trying to explain their issues with EGS/Epic's practices and the people coming in and yelling "it's just another launcher!"These aren't new reactions.. every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees; every announcement of a new game going exclusive is met with vitriol, hell we even had a thread about a devs game NOT making it to EGS and it was met with the same level of heat. There is a reason every EGS thread on this forum has to have a moderator threadmark, there are a lot of very angry dudes with sprinkled within the reasonable posts.
And I'm afraid that's precisely the angle they are going to play in the coming months. Even their press release has that vibe.
I can see where this is going in the near future. Be ready to be guilt-tripped into submission or constantly painted like some sort of unhinged lunatics (most likely for the sins of someone else) by the gaming press and the charming community of indie devs on twitter.
I didn't mention gamergate at any point in my post.Oh, since that poster could not, and since you seem to agree with them, could you please point me to anyone saying or implying that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate? I'm starting to suspect you all are maybe making things up. Or are possibly suffering from some kind of persecution complex
You can't quote posts from a locked thread but I think they're referring to post #90. You have to read the twitter thread they were claiming to agree with.Oh, since that poster could not, and since you seem to agree with them, could you please point me to anyone saying or implying that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate? I'm starting to suspect you all are maybe making things up. Or are possibly suffering from some kind of persecution complex
Ok what hate group were you referring to since you seemed to agree with the other poster that people were saying that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of a hate group? They were referring to gamergate, as shown by their follow-up posts but maybe you thought they were referring to another hate group? Which one? And where do you have evidence of anyone saying that everyone who has a problem with EGS is part of a hate group?
These aren't new reactions.. every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees; every announcement of a new game going exclusive is met with vitriol, hell we even had a thread about a devs game NOT making it to EGS and it was met with the same level of heat. There is a reason every EGS thread on this forum has to have a moderator threadmark, there are a lot of very angry dudes with sprinkled within the reasonable posts.
What other anything besides gaming gets a reaction like this when something goes exclusive to a store? i havent seen it with clothing or department or home improvement or book stores. i dont even see that with other digital distribution like music or movies or television. i also dont see exclusive hate like that with even physical game store outlets.The egs topics will continue to get uglier as long as it will be treated as a silly thing that will blow over. People have repeatedly said it loudly how much epic is disliked and yet each time an egs deal is announced everyone pretends to be caught off guard by the backlash
Thank you. I read that twitter thread. Nowhere in that thread did they mention that they were talking about everyone that has a problem with EGS. On the contrary, they made a point to single out only the people engaging in harassment. Unless TioChuck was saying that everyone who has a problem with EGS is engaging in harassment, I can't see how that Twitter thread provides evidence to his claim that anyone is implying that everyone who has a problem with EGS is part of gamergateYou can't quote posts from a locked thread but I think they're referring to post #90. You have to read the twitter thread they were claiming to agree with.
So does this not make the blog post worse, not better? There's at least one indie dev who has called the blog post (and dev) out for being ignorant of the reactions that the extremist fringe have with EGS exclusive news. He's also called Sweeney out for adding fuel to the fire with his tweet, which, again, Sweeney should know what it would do, and he didn't give a toss.
I am absolutely against abuse of developers, but I'd also agree with that same indie dev who said that Epic need to stand-up and give devs/pubs assistance in handling the negative PR that accompanies taking EGS exclusive money.
(The dev recently locked/unlocked his Twitter account because of flak he was getting, so don't want to link it)
Edit: Also, I'd disagree with the statement that "every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees". I think everyone looked at Untitled Goose Game's exclusive deal and thought "Fair enough".
Thank you. I read that twitter thread. Nowhere in that thread did they mention that they were talking about everyone that has a problem with EGS. On the contrary, they made a point to single out only the people engaging in harassment. Unless TioChuck was saying that everyone who has a problem with EGS is engaging in harassment, I can't see how that Twitter thread provides evidence to his claim that anyone is implying that everyone who has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate
know that if you're not a slighted ooblets fan, and you're looking at this from the outside, and going "wow they really treated their fans like shit, fuck these guys" then you're basically buying into a coordinated propaganda campaign targeted against EGS
Sound like they're pretty much accusing anyone that has an issue with EGS to methe whole ooblets/EGS/whatever thing isn't just about ooblets or EGS (I mean it's basically 99% not about ooblets for sure), it's just another war front in the culture war being waged. stop letting yourself be recruited to be on the wrong side
Eh, there are some really shitty tweet replies to the tweets they wrote about it and it kept going for some time. Can't find much else tho, even on Reddit it's quite a lot of "Sure, I can get behind this. They needed the money."Edit: Also, I'd disagree with the statement that "every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees". I think everyone looked at Untitled Goose Game's exclusive deal and thought "Fair enough".
I didn't mention any specific "hate group" either. Not sure why you are asking to me to answer for what someone else said.Ok what hate group were you referring to since you seemed to agree with the other poster that people were saying that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of a hate group? They were referring to gamergate, as shown by their follow-up posts but maybe you thought they were referring to another hate group? Which one? And where do you have evidence of anyone saying that everyone who has a problem with EGS is part of a hate group?
Saying that someone has bought into propaganda from a hate group is not the same as saying that someone is part of a hate group.Sound like they're pretty much accusing anyone that has an issue with EGS to me
I was frustrated that they didn't respond but it was wrong of me to drag you into it, so I apologize for thatI didn't mention any specific "hate group" either. Not sure why you are asking to me to answer for what someone else said.
That's not what I read. Yes they mention the faked screencaps but they're clearly tying this entire upset to gamergate, which just isn't reality.Saying that someone has bought into propaganda from a hate group is not the same as saying that someone is part of a hate group.
I wonder how the game is to be honest. Is it genuinely good or not? Because I feel a good game does not need hype from a controversy..and right now we hear more about controversy than about the game itself.
And I'm afraid that's precisely the angle they are going to play in the coming months. Even their press release has that vibe.
I can see where this is going in the near future. Be ready to be guilt-tripped into submission or constantly painted like some sort of unhinged lunatics (most likely for the sins of someone else) by the gaming press and the charming community of indie devs on twitter.
Saying that gamergate people are involved in fanning the flames of the backlash (whether true or not) is not the same as saying that everyone who dislikes egs is part of gamergate. (But you never made that claim, to be fair, TioChuck did)That's not what I read. Yes they mention the faked screencaps but they're clearly tying this entire upset to gamergate, which just isn't reality.
I mean, this dev came out with an announcement in one hand and a can of kerosene in the other, lit an enormous fire, but people will forget that now because the narrative has changed. Now idiots took shit way too far to the point where you get worried about bringing up the factual chain of events because of fear it'd be considered victim blaming.
I wonder how the game is to be honest. Is it genuinely good or not? Because I feel a good game does not need hype from a controversy..and right now we hear more about controversy than about the game itself.
That tactic is also fully working for them and it's obvious that especially Sweeney loves this approach.And I'm afraid that's precisely the angle they are going to play in the coming months. Even their press release has that vibe.
I guess ultimately we will see how it works for them saleswise. If the games underperform that are on EGS exclusively maybe that will make a difference. I guess at this point is better if you are against the egs to keep your mouth shut and boycott.That tactic is also fully working for them and it's obvious that especially Sweeney loves this approach.
You're either Pro-EGS or one of those bad guys. 80% of PC-Era is already banned at this point and all flood gates for these incredibly dumb "just a launcher because it's FREE SOFTWARE" posts got opened and they probably won't stop anymore.
One might think that the whole PC section is getting completely wiped out of resetera at this point.
It doesn't really matter if games sell well on the EGS. Epic's warchest is huge enough to run several years with their loss leader strategy.I guess ultimately we will see how it works for them saleswise. If the games underperform that are on EGS exclusively maybe that will make a difference. I guess at this point is better if you are against the egs to keep your mouth shut and boycott.
I don't agree it's a dead end for example with ghost busters, it was a dead end when they tried that narrative because the movie ultimately didn't do well. If games do poorly being on egs even with the money given to them and depending how they do on steam after that the egs is a place not worth it.It doesn't really matter if games sell well on the EGS. Epic's warchest is huge enough to run several years with their loss leader strategy.
The only important point is if Epic can shift the public view into their favour and we have reached a point where you're either PRO EGS or you better shut up because you'll otherwise get probably banned soon for criticizing either Epic, EGS or Sweeney. Sounds like a dead end on era.
That tactic is also fully working for them and it's obvious that especially Sweeney loves this approach.
You're either Pro-EGS or one of those bad guys. 80% of PC-Era is already banned at this point and all flood gates for these incredibly dumb "just a launcher because it's FREE SOFTWARE" posts got opened and they probably won't stop anymore. It's incredibly disgusting to see that propaganda working.
One might think that the whole PC section is getting completely wiped out of resetera at this point.
It doesn't really matter if games sell well on the EGS. Epic's warchest is huge enough to run several years with their loss leader strategy.
The only important point is if Epic can shift the public view into their favour and we have reached a point where you're either PRO EGS or you better shut up because you'll otherwise get probably banned soon for criticizing either Epic, EGS or Sweeney. Sounds like a dead end on era.
YikesIt doesn't really matter if games sell well on the EGS. Epic's warchest is huge enough to run several years with their loss leader strategy.
The only important point is if Epic can shift the public view into their favour and we have reached a point where you're either PRO EGS or you better shut up because you'll otherwise get probably banned soon for criticizing either Epic, EGS or Sweeney. Sounds like a dead end on era.
Yeah I'm not seeing what they're seeing and I'm PC era, pro-EGS people have been getting banned for months on end for those sorts of posts.These posts are frightening to me.
People aren't getting banned for criticizing any of those things, they're mostly getting banned for excusing harassment and death threats, or for making awful comparisons. This is stuff we gotta handle as a community.
But what you're most concerned about are the 'just another launcher' posts?
We need to be able to separate the two.
Or.One might think that the whole PC section is getting completely wiped out of resetera at this point.
It doesn't really matter if games sell well on the EGS. Epic's warchest is huge enough to run several years with their loss leader strategy.
The only important point is if Epic can shift the public view into their favour and we have reached a point where you're either PRO EGS or you better shut up because you'll otherwise get probably banned soon for criticizing either Epic, EGS or Sweeney. Sounds like a dead end on era.
Or.
PC Era will live on now that it's possible to have conversations that aren't spiked with "stupid people, stupid people everywhere.gif" shitposts every page or haunted by people who excuse death threats on the regular. People routinely alienated by such behavior might actually feel like joining.
If a walled clubhouse is what you want, then you aren't actually afraid of your community dying.
Nonsense post, that has nothing to do with the reality here in era.
These aren't new reactions.. every single developer that has supported EGS has been harassed to varying degrees; every announcement of a new game going exclusive is met with vitriol, hell we even had a thread about a devs game NOT making it to EGS and it was met with the same level of heat. There is a reason every EGS thread on this forum has to have a moderator threadmark, there are a lot of very angry dudes with sprinkled within the reasonable posts.
If people getting banned for saying 'death threats are bad *but*' is making people leave I find the 'longtime and great' claim dubious at best.Disagree. There's no denying that longtime and great contributors have withdrawn their participation without the aid of a ban.
There's ton of launchers that have never received any hate the EGS is getting.
If people getting banned for saying 'death threats are bad *but*' is making people leave I find the 'longtime and great' claim dubious at best.
Thank you. I read that twitter thread. Nowhere in that thread did they mention that they were talking about everyone that has a problem with EGS.
If people getting banned for saying 'death threats are bad *but*' is making people leave I find the 'longtime and great' claim dubious at best.
If people getting banned for saying 'death threats are bad *but*' is making people leave I find the 'longtime and great' claim dubious at best.
So why are people leaving then.No. Some really good people. They chose to leave.
What you are doing here: its been allowed to go on too long and people left.