If that happens, you can seriously count my ass not voting for President in 2024. I'd basically do the rest of the ballot.
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If that happens, you can seriously count my ass not voting for President in 2024. I'd basically do the rest of the ballot.
Incrimentalism is definitely not the solution but thinking that 4 more years of trump is some how going to lead to massive change in 2024 is a mistake as well because 4 years of trump certainly did not lead to Bernie winning by a landslide. He has even less support because people are so fearful of trump. I think 4 more years of Trump is more dangerous because what electoral system do you think you will be looking at in 4 more years. If the last 4 are anything to go by do you think democrats or anyone else will actually be allowed to win in 2024. 4 more years for trump to make sure he can falsely charge and arrest any candidates trying to run against his successor with a court system fully controlled by him. It's really not far out thinking
My state hasn't voted blue since the 1940s, most people are in similar scenarios one way or another, there's an unspoken delusion here that deep red states are going to flip against Trump somehow and it's fantasyland.
Joe Biden is going to lose the rust belt just like Clinton did in 2016. This is all extremely predictable and scolding people who more than likely don't live in a swing state on a niche gaming forum about voting for the better rapist isn't changing that.
If it helps make what they're saying a bit easier to parse I don't think they were just talking about voting
you have two options:
-tell people in an online forum to vote for your candidate even though hes been accused of rape
-Get a candidate that has not been accused of rape
I get that its a tough choice tho
-tell people in an online forum to vote for your candidate even though hes been accused of rape
-Get a candidate that has not been accused of rape
I get that its a tough choice tho
What if- bear with me a second here- supporters of the non-rapist candidate were sometimes uncivil on Twitter?
If this country actually voted for people that would improve their material conditions, that in itself would be "radical." Instead, we have an incredibly disfranchised electorate that's being guided by a suburban PMC that's basically MAGA without Trump's brashness. Guns no, abortion yes.
I get that this is a just a meme joke, however, don't you think that if everyone here could then they would just "Get a candidate that has not been accused of rape".
And yet people are more engaged politically than in previous years. People have other needs and wants besides their material conditions.
I think this is as much self awareness as we can expect at this point, so respect!
I wasn't satisfied with Biden before these allegations were made and I'm obviously even less satisfied with him now but this is about more than preference at this point. There is a legitimate concern that the United States as we know it will not survive another 4 years of this man. There is a legitimate concern that hundreds of thousands of Americans may die due to his incompetence before we even get to November. We're getting off "easy" with the COVID-19 death rate being as low as it is.
Biden should step down if these allegations are true but he won't. The Democratic party should expect more of their candidate. People who are disgusted, frustrated, and enraged that he's the presumptive nominee are right to feel that way. I feel the same way. I will still vote for him.
I meant it in 2016 as a Sanders supporter and I mean it now as a Sanders/Warren supporter; I will vote for literally anyone that the Democrats field in an attempt to stop Donald Trump from getting another term. His rise, adoration, and continued support among his base has far too many parallels with the Nazi party and 30's-era Germany to be allowed to continue. His acolytes are singing his praises right now and congratulating him on a projected COVID-19 death toll in the hundreds of thousands. If you can't imagine that they'd be OK with a continued psychological decline leading to him calling for the imprisonment and murder of all his opponents, minorities, non-believers...I don't know what more than be done to prove it without it actually happening.
Biden should step down if these allegations are true but he won't. The Democratic party should expect more of their candidate. People who are disgusted, frustrated, and enraged that he's the presumptive nominee are right to feel that way. I feel the same way. I will still vote for him.
I meant it in 2016 as a Sanders supporter and I mean it now as a Sanders/Warren supporter; I will vote for literally anyone that the Democrats field in an attempt to stop Donald Trump from getting another term. His rise, adoration, and continued support among his base has far too many parallels with the Nazi party and 30's-era Germany to be allowed to continue. His acolytes are singing his praises right now and congratulating him on a projected COVID-19 death toll in the hundreds of thousands. If you can't imagine that they'd be OK with a continued psychological decline leading to him calling for the imprisonment and murder of all his opponents, minorities, non-believers...I don't know what more than be done to prove it without it actually happening.
Nothing indicates this.
Joe Biden won EVERY. SINGLE. COUNTY. in Michigan vs Bernie Sanders on the strength of a diverse coalition and one that is integral to winning these states back in November.
Good thing then that he polls better than Trump in WI, MI and PA.
Biden's favorable ratings are much higher than Hillary's and he crushed Bernie in the rust belt where as Bernie did very well against Hillay in the rust built.\
And in GE match-up polling Biden is doing very well in the rust belt against Trump.
I haven't seen any numbers to point to what you are saying.
I would vote for a center-right Republican over Trump at this point and I've never once in 17 years of voting voted R.
As Zyae stated, Biden performs better in the rust belt than Bernie Sanders in GE polling.
This is also the coalition that led to the blue wave in 2018, by the way.
Man I'm tired of this meme. Bernie didn't broaden his coalition and didn't turn out his base. Hard to win without doing those.
As I said ... I wish the country would wake up tomorrow with a big progressive majority, but it doesn't exist. Attitudes are slowly shifting, but it takes time. We're a relatively religious / individualistic / conservative country by nature.
This poll was taken entirely after this allegation came out.....Bernie isn't having a comeback. That path has long since ended.
My priorities will be with my relatives who already suffered due to deportations and two deaths. Glad to see your priorities are in empty and cute quotes.
This is how I know accelerationists live in a leftist bubble because they work on the assumption that toppling the government would somehow lead to a pure communist/socialist system instead of recognizing that most of the US population leans conservative. In a scenario in which the government has been weakened or overthrown, fascism is a very strong and likely outcome instead of communism.
Not voting for Biden on the basis that things getting worse is a good idea is incredibly naive, dangerous, and shortsighted.
What meme? What you said doesn't have anything to do with what I said.
You do realize that the allegation was never reported on CNN or MSNBC, right? It wasn't widely reported on in general. Don't worry, though, in the general election it resurface...
I don't think that 4 more years of Trump is a good thing, I'm no accelerationist so no need to try to convince me how harmful and stupid it is. My point is that people like Biden, even ignoring that he's a rapist, and their obsession with meeting the right halfway no matter how many times the right just take another step further the right aren't going to fix society anywhere near as quickly as it can be achieved nor as quickly as we need it to be. And also that centrists weird treatment of politics as something where you just show up when your party tells you to vote then fuck off for 2/4 years at a time and whatever happens has to just be left to happen. If Trump wins, which could happen as Biden is definitely not going to motivate any of the left to vote for him not to mention there will be people who refuse to vote for a rapist, then people need to finally realising that just relying on electoralism alone to fix the issues in the world is a bad idea and start to actually do shit. People need to organise with their communities and put their focus into taking direct action rather than assuming nothing can be done except wait for voting time again. In fact people should learn to do that even if Biden wins because those in power will never truly be on our side and all voting actually is is deciding who you're going to have to fight to get what you want
The fact your using this to take a dig at Bernie rather than as an indictment of electoralism and the american voting public's willingness to vote for a rapist is just bonkers
The meme that the reason people didn't vote for Bernie is because of Twitter.
People didn't vote for Bernie because he didn't broaden his coalition.
Anyways, it's not really relevant to this thread. I apologize for derailing.
They want a change in tone. They want a return to normal that is never coming back. They want politics to be "boring" again.
Maybe some small tweaks here and there, but they think this completely broken system just needs a blue rapist instead of a red one.
I don't have any faith in the left actually mobilizing to do anything because outside of dank memes and radical talk on the internet, I've seen more action from traditional democratic voters and suburban women when it comes to actual activism and marches, running for office and winning then I have from the further left areas. I wish this were not the case as millennials and zoomers have far more electoral power than the older generation. If leftists can't even make it to the ballot box, how can they be relied on for anything else.
The Student Vote Is Surging. So Are Efforts to Suppress It. (Published 2019)
The share of college students casting ballots doubled from 2014 to 2018, a potential boon to Democrats. But in Texas and elsewhere, Republicans are erecting roadblocks to the polls.
States are closing polling places on college campuses in order to suppress youth voting. This is by design.
Well that's concerning. Suburban women were one of Trump's key demographics.
Then again, they mostly still voted for him despite knowing his history. A little above 50% I believe.
They want a change in tone. They want a return to normal that is never coming back. They want politics to be "boring" again.
Maybe some small tweaks here and there, but they think this completely broken system just needs a blue rapist instead of a red one.
That tweet is making a bad argument.
'They' is a lot of people voting. A lot of people who would actually have a lot of things to gain from mass change but Who become terrified of mass change when it's spelled out to them what will be changing.
Bernie's policies by and large have very favorable polling, Bernie himself does not and it's not hard to figure out why.
The reason why leftists might not make it to the ballot box or run for office as much as you might consider necessary for you to take us seriously has to do with a lack of faith in electoralism, not to mention the fact that the candidates libs tend to vote for are usually morally repugnant human beings, making it difficult to hold our noses to vote for them especially as its a favourite pastime of centrists to mock or insult us while we do it. And as for actual activism, I personally can't find much in the way of studies or statistics that go into the demographics apart from one about anti-war protestors during the start of the Iraq war so nothing in more recent years so I won't make any grand statements about who is or isn't more active, but most leftists I know of both online and offline are very active when it comes to activism and very outspoken about spreading the word/message in advance of any organised action to try to get more people involved. Not to mention historically leftists have absolutely shown up when it counts for non-electoral means of activism.
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Fifty-three percent of white women! shout out to dalia malek (@dalia) on twitter
If the current plan fails, trump is re-elected and dems try something new next time you won't vote? But I'm the one making cute quotes.
You don't get it, do you? If Trump successfully wins a second term, it's fucking over. You can kiss even a remotely liberal agenda on a federal level gone for at least a generation. Nothing a President does with a stacked conservative SCOTUS does will ever hold. I don't even want to imagine Congress. What the fuck am I voting in a President for aside the down ticket? And you're getting an attitude with me? FOH. This election is the last damn chance we got for the foreseeable future.
I keep reading this as if it's supposed to be a real point.
Sanders supporters need to come up with something better.
"They didn't vote this time, but they will the next!" is a really weak retort.
You want to make some kind of moral argument that he's a better choice than Biden? I'll hear that out.
Have to ask as its one of the things I don't fully understand about the US electoral system, can republicans vote in the democratic primary and vice versa?
Some states they can, some states independents can, some states are registered dems only.
Rarely. That's an open primary.
Most states only allow votes in a primary if you're affiliated with that party.
I disagree and I think giving up entirely in the future will make things worse, that's why I take issue with what you said. The current situation is a result of throwing the same thing at the wall over and over hoping it sticks, we're gonna need a whole lot more than just winning 2020 to turn things around.
That time for trying something different is over. It's hilarious how so many on Era shat on Sanders and his agenda regarding practicality and electability, but people are now wondering about the prospects of 2020 with Biden now. I held my nose with Hillary, and got supremely fucked with Trump on deportations with my family, my personal health declining and finances. There isn't an immediate future for me if he gets a second term. I can't even guarantee that I might live long enough to see a Democratic Party and it's base finally get it's head out of its ass. What the fuck am I hoping for? You may have that privilege and luxury. I likely won't have any luxury in a coffin.
So the Republicans are betting that despite their demographic and regional losses, they can still hold enough power to compete. This means if their leftover base is alienated and walks when they appeal to moderates, then they lose both moderates and their hardcore base when they can just give up moderates and win still.
If the election shows Trump, and the direction of the Republican Party is indeed dead, then the hope is the Party finally dumps them and shifts to regain moderates. If Trump wins, they can double down and not worry.
If the election shows Trump, and the direction of the Republican Party is indeed dead, then the hope is the Party finally dumps them and shifts to regain moderates. If Trump wins, they can double down and not worry.
Hmmm, some of them do, some of them really don't. And even then, some of the ones which you would consider as polling well aren't actually polling that well when you compare their numbers to a moderate alternative (Medicare for all Vs a public option for example).
Even then, electoral politics is more than just policies.
There really isn't a reason to believe that there would be a next time. Trump has cast off every attempt at oversight and is just making up powers on the fly at this point (Most recent being his refusal to adhere to Congressional oversight of COVID 19 relief spending). He's been floating the idea of ignoring term limits for years. If he's reelected after everything that he has done, we will never be rid of him and his disgusting progeny.
I definitely won't be voting for Biden in December, but my bold stance is pretty empty. I live in a state where my vote doesn't matter at all (California), so it's an empty gesture. Considering I still feel lousy voting for for Kerry in another state where my vote didn't matter (Illinois), I at least know I won't feel guilty for voting for Biden decades later.
Can any Americans tell me if these allegations are being blasted all over mainstream media in the US? If Sanders or Trump had fresh allegations like these, they'd certainly be the only thing on the news for months.
Well hopefully you'll still vote against trump in November
No but you should be able to, it would make things a whole lot more interesting
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