AdoredTV has been weak the past month. He spends 90% of his video explaining how he had info 6 months so but he didn't share it or why he got the info wrong in his previous videos.
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread - MY ANACONDA DON'T WANT NONE
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AdoredTV has been weak the past month. He spends 90% of his video explaining how he had info 6 months so but he didn't share it or why he got the info wrong in his previous videos.
If the guys answer positively. It will not be estimation but some realworld value...
Sorry it's been a few days to catch up again.
Gotcha. Thank you for the clarification. It's an excellent post because it all makes sense now.
Considering they name Gran Turismo as a year one title, I'd call this one 'hard to believe'.
Gran Turismo is known for pushing technology but it's not known for being 'to market' in reasonable time. Having a Gran Turismo made available as soon as possible makes sense because it'll showcase PlayStation 5 but I can't see it happening...unless what this leak actually means is a 'slice' of the full game, a bit of a taster with all the technology in place.
Another 'Thanks' for the explanation.
A simply clean overview of what the differences could be.
Wouldn't this leak and the specific RAM leak conflict with each other? This leak says 4GB reserved for OS. The remaining 20 seen as a single pool for game use. But there was another leak that was broken down to mean that the SSD tables would be stored in main memory rather than using an expensive existing NVME controller? Which alone would take up 3 GB at a minimum. I may be getting the specific leaks confused.
AdoredTV has been weak the past month. He spends 90% of his video explaining how he had info 6 months so but he didn't share it or why he got the info wrong in his previous videos.
Or it could genuinely be full disclosure. I mean do you think he's trying to mess this up on purpose?
Doesn't the devkit leak on reddit correlate with the one in 4chan?
Reddit:
4chan:
16GB GDDR6 RAM + 2GB DDR4 (the other 4GB is used as DRAM cache)
Reddit:
4chan:
16GB GDDR6 RAM + 2GB DDR4 (the other 4GB is used as DRAM cache)
It would be nice if he can check GDDR6 vs the same setup GDRR5 with the same clock speed. I have a pretty shitty motherboard and no diagnostic tools but I do have a 2080RTX so if you know of any way for me to check the isolated power draw of the memory alone then I can do that.
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I was thinking that the one in 4chan is an earlier version of the devkit sans high speed SSD.
Think we can somewhat see if it's connected by calculating the bandwith on the GDDR6 18gps chips + DDR4 right?
Random question: Does the superfast SSD solution have any impact on the perception of speed in an new gran turismo, like seen in the spiderman demo? Or is this something which is determined by other factors. Framerate, graphic effects, general speed of cars?
I mean Gran Turismo 7 with 4k/60fps RT reflections and a new kind of speed perception thanks to the ssd would be a killer showcase.
And what would it mean in comparison to Forza if playground also need to consider a pc version? Could we see some drastic differences?
I mean Gran Turismo 7 with 4k/60fps RT reflections and a new kind of speed perception thanks to the ssd would be a killer showcase.
And what would it mean in comparison to Forza if playground also need to consider a pc version? Could we see some drastic differences?
lol yeah.
It's not a good idea by any means. Could also become a Wii U situation.
where are you getting 40U from?
Its stuff like that that represents one of the benefits to having an SSD set up like that. So yes. There is a but though, but let's just leave it as yes for simplicity sake.
Ok thanks !
I know we don't know anything yet but just for an example of what we could expect from this, if we took the example of Spider-Man :
- PS4 : 8 sec
- PS5 : 0.8 sec
- Device with a SSD natively : 3-4 sec ?
With a device including a SSD in this example, we can expect 3-4 sec load times or less than that (or more) ?
Thanks! That will be a real nice info find for the forum.
The "perception of speed" in the Spiderman demo is more about being able to load assets so fast that you can actually travel at much higher speeds, streaming new areas in, without hiccups. AFAIK, that's not how closed circuit games usually do it - they usually load entire levels to memory, what isn't possible with open world games.
That said, if GT where to implement streaming, they'd be able to have much richer, densely packed tracks, with a huge variety of assets, as they wouldn't be limited to what they can fit into the memory.
For a huge
And thats to boot up the game. Fast travelling at most around 3-4 seconds, depends on how much they pushing the graphics.
For a 200GB PS5 open world i dont see load times greater than 5-6 seconds.
And thats to boot up the game. Fast travelling at most around 3-4 seconds, depends on how much they pushing the graphics.
It won't help to speed cars up because GT is very realistic so cars go the speed they supposed to go, but the world can be much more detailed with next to no pop-in as long as the CPU and GPU can handle the detail.
A new GT for PS5 launch is like the easiest bet to make. GT Sport + all free car DLC released after GTS launch + traditional campaign and a bunch of yet to release cars = GT7.
GTS took so long to release because Polyphony took a lot of time developing a new, super scalable engine for current gen and beyond, they even made an 8K/60fps + RT demo last year for GTS to show off the new engine's flexibility and scalability. 3 years (GTS released oct 2017, PS5 will release late 2020) is more than enough time to make a ton of single player content to throw on top of the foundation made in GTS.
Edit- actually that GTS presentation was at 8K/120fps + RT... even more ridiculous.
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Coincidentally, having more details on the tracks will help in making the speed seems faster.
RAMBUS works on the PHYS interfaces for memory. They know what they're talking about. The problem is that we're not comparing apples to apples, and bus width is extremely important.
I'm not trying to resolve the GDDR6 vs HBM2 war here. I'm trying to show the estimates that 384 bit GDDR6 busses eating 100W are bogus. That would mean 36% of the RTX Titan's TDP is memory!
I'm having a hard time trying to understand why SSD tech is so important to Sony. Sure it will make a huge improvement in the overall user experience but, the competition will also have SSD tech for sure, even if it ends not being faster. If the Xbox takes 4 or 5 seconds more to load games/levels at the end of the day the experience will also be better for Xbox users when compared to current-gen and I think it will make little to no difference - unless ofc the SSD MS is using is trash and some games take around 10-15 seconds to load, which I highly doubt.
On the other hand GPU power could also impact the user experience and if there is a huge different between the two machines Sony will be losing in that department, at least according to MS insiders.
What do you guys think it's more important the SSD tech or GPU? The PS5 seems to be a really well balanced machine while from rumors the Xbox seems to be a monster in GPU performance but I'm not sure by how much.
On the other hand GPU power could also impact the user experience and if there is a huge different between the two machines Sony will be losing in that department, at least according to MS insiders.
What do you guys think it's more important the SSD tech or GPU? The PS5 seems to be a really well balanced machine while from rumors the Xbox seems to be a monster in GPU performance but I'm not sure by how much.
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Why would you even use the 16 GB GDDR6 at 18gbps on a 256 bus?
Looking at this chart from anexanhume it seems either excessive or a waste of good ram.
Looking at this chart from anexanhume it seems either excessive or a waste of good ram.
Sony doesn't use off the shelve, they can cusitmize it with more cu if they want to especially since these machines will come out in 2020 where Navi with 64 cu will be out
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A big part of modern game development bottlenecks is data read speed. It's important for Sony and probably Microsoft too because developers want it. It's a big game changer as long as both have it as a baseline.
Sony made a big deal out of it because they had announced it first :)
definitely going to get one next gen. Sony's first party VR games seems pretty good.
I'm not sure that I've understood the question.Why would you even use the 16 GB GDDR6 at 18gbps on a 256 bus?
Looking at this chart from anexanhume it seems either excessive or a waste of good ram.
When I speak about HBM2 against GDDR6, I speak about all the setup. RAM + memory controller .
I want to know how 8Gb of HBM2 + controller and 16 Gb of 3200 DDR4 + controller goes against 16 Gb GDDR6 14 Gbps 256 bits + memory controller and against 24 Gb GDDR6 14 Gbps bus 384 bits + controller. When I said 100 watts it is for the complete setup the 24 Gb of GDDR6 I use one estimation done by DrKeo
This is the only things I am interested in...
I have a Vive, the res is super low but it's like magic in cockpit-based games like racing or flight sims.
It's a customized Navi 10 lite. They could frankly call it anything .doesn't necessarily mean the cu count is identical
The amd 7870 came out March 2012 and cost $350, ps4 GPU was a bit weaker, it was somewhere in between a $250 7850 and the $350 7870, hence my $300 mark.
Navi is coming just a few months later then the 7870 did.
While I don't expect others to believe this, I am pretty sure the $300-350 Navi gpu will have very similar performance to the PS5's.
silly mortal
thinking you have control over the uncontrollable. the cycle is determined by pastebin gods alone!
It's one of those things I trust Cerny with. He's probably doing it because of how much it can help with first party devs, who is very much close with. NVMe SSD should have been good enough (duh)
Cerny had the PS4 have more async compute threads which he predicted would be a gamechanger for game development a few years after the console is released. He was right.
I think that direct GDDR5 vs GDDR6 power draw numbers are important too. If 24GB of GDDR6 with 652.8 GB/s does draw 15% less that the X's setup, it means that it's a pretty great setup for a next gen console considering that the CPU will have a similar size and draw.
Well I could be wrong, but the rumored devkit has 16 chips of ram in a clamshell configuration.
Using that chart it looks like it can only go 2 ways, 256 or 512 bus. One gives you 576 gb/s and the other a whopping 1152 gb/s.
Yeah and besides, why would you need 576 GB/s of bandwidth to feed a 9TF GPU? That's complete overkill.
Radeon VII is just a quick cash grab...
Hell we don't even know if it's PS5 related...
Haha true we don't even know if Gonzalo for sure is ps5 related or not but it probably is .otherwise where the hell is ps5 Apu code name .Ariel ?
It shows however that Cernys words can mean $399.
As sony have described a console like cerny did for $399.
The context is not that different Andrew House is just explaining the price, like cerny was, house would of said those words regardless of what xbox xbox was doing.
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