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New Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury Trailer [12 January 2021] (Good Vibes Gaming Analysis at Threadmarks)

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Curt Baboon

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I keep forgetting this is bundled with an improved version of Super Mario 3D World. Even if you can beat this in three hours it's a really great package overall.

I hope there's some replayability to it, though. I actually wonder how dynamic the Giant Bowser sections are because it would be awesome if he wasn't just a series of pre-determined boss fights at specific points in the story; but rather something that pops out to harass you at different times during playtroughs, almost like a weather system or a random event in an open world game or something.
 
Pido

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YolkFolk said:
When you say you 'expect', is that based on insider knowledge or information we normal folk don't know about? I say, this because we barely know anything about it apart from 2 mins of footage.
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I'm not an insider lol
Just an observation based on what they showed and the fact that Nintendo is making a big deal out of it.
 
chrisPjelly

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REALLY digging the level design of the new worlds (world?). Looks like it takes the platforming aspect of 3d World and applies it to the big and expansive approach of Odyssey/Sunshine.
 
SpartyCrunch

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Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but what kind of upgrades are there supposed to be to Mario 3D World, outside of the expansion? Just an upgrade in resolution, or more to it than that?
 
SpankyDoodle

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Lord Fanny said:
That all sounds good on paper, but the logic falls apart for a couple of reasons. Largely, there is no need for them to attach this to 3D World for it to sell. They've already proven they can port over titles with minimal additions and still have it sell incredibly well. It's a 3D Mario title that's going to be new to the majority of people, not some random RPG spin-off that a fraction of the regular audience cares about, and Nintendo fans are notorious double dippers so this game didn't 'need' anything.

Secondly, and the part that seemed to maybe go over your head in relation to some of the reaction, was that this trailer didn't really do much of a job explaining what this is to begin with. You call it a 'bonus mode,' but there's nothing here to indicate it's just a bonus mode. It seems like it's being treated as its own standalone thing, and it's not even clear if the co-op aspect of the main game is even part of it, and it also looks to play vastly different than 3D World. That's mainly what has confused people as to the nature of the expansion, not so much a 'why put this with 3D World' in the financial sense. Anybody can figure that out lol. I think it's more about the lack of clarifying details about what it is. That may have been what Nintendo wanted, too, who knows, maybe they want to have some shroud of mystery over it for marketing reasons. But it's less the confusion about the why and more about what that I think people are perplexed by.
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Nothing went over my head about the trailer. It's really really clear what this is: A new Mario campaign. They added it on to an old one to entice people to buy a game they've already bought before. You're trying to add all this additional stuff in there like length and gameplay and if it's co-op or not, and yeah the trailer didn't do a whole lot to address any of that, but they have absolutely nothing to do with my post. We can extrapolate all kinds of things and theorize about them, I'm happy to do that, but the question that has been asked several times in this thread is: why are they adding this new content (doesn't matter if it's called a mode or expansion or if it was a keychain and sticker pack for that matter) to an old game? The answer is money. It's to get the people in this very thread who are debating if they want to spend $60 on a game they've already played, to spend $60 again to access the new content. That's the sole purpose of it's inclusion. Yeah other Wii U ports have sold well, they also have all had additional content added to them to sweeten the deal and entice people who already bought them to buy them again too.

Now if you wanna theorize on how much new content there is and what it could mean for future Mario games and their gameplay, that's fine and I'm super down to speculate!
 
Noog

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I feel like the issue this game will have to deal with is simply that Bowser's Fury looks far more interesting than the base game. I'm excited to replay 3D World, but I want a full-blown version of Bowser's Fury. Hopefully there's a good amount of content
 
JoRu

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I wonder if this is to an extent a result of prototyping an interconnected open world for the next 3D Mario, in the same way Wind Waker HD to an extent was the result of testing art styles and technology for BotW.
 
Kcoe27400

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SpartyCrunch said:
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but what kind of upgrades are there supposed to be to Mario 3D World, outside of the expansion? Just an upgrade in resolution, or more to it than that?
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The characters move about 20% faster they unlocked the movement from only 8 directions and they added a mario odyssey like dive. Plus online though they havent shown or detailed that yet. Thats all we know right now. Nintendo hasnt really talked about any of this at all in any detail. this is just people watching the trailers and noticing new things.
 
Vampirolol

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Kcoe27400 said:
The characters move about 20% faster they unlocked the movement from only 8 directions and they added a mario odyssey like dive. Plus online though they havent shown or detailed that yet. Thats all we know right now. Nintendo hasnt really talked about any of this at all in any detail. this is just people watching the trailers and noticing new things.
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I forgot about the improved movement, now I'm super hyped!
 
RagnarokX

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wrowa

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Lord Fanny said:
That all sounds good on paper, but the logic falls apart for a couple of reasons. Largely, there is no need for them to attach this to 3D World for it to sell. They've already proven they can port over titles with minimal additions and still have it sell incredibly well. It's a 3D Mario title that's going to be new to the majority of people, not some random RPG spin-off that a fraction of the regular audience cares about, and Nintendo fans are notorious double dippers so this game didn't 'need' anything.
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3D World has no DLC to get bundled with for a Deluxe release and Nintendo isn't really selling ports without additional content when compared to their vanilla releases. There are titles with rather barebones additions like Tropical Freeze, but in general there's always something extra. Since 3D World is one of the games where they can't simply bundle the Switch port with previous DLC, it's instead a case where they had to develop something new.

How Bowser's Fury came about is actually not all that difficult to imagine. The team was tasked to develop additional content for the game and when coming up with ideas they pitched an experimental concept for a title that might not have worked as a full fledged Mario release, but which is a good fit for a short-ish side mode for 3D World.
 
Phendrift

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I'm curious about the story here. I mean I know it's mario so it won't be much but still...

I expect at least an intro and ending cutscene, kinda shows what possessed Bowser (maybe a greater villain?) what this new world is (are we still in the Sprixie Kingdom? Presumably so due to cats but still...) and where Bowser Jr. comes in.
 
falcondoc

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JoRu said:
I wonder if this is to an extent a result of prototyping an interconnected open world for the next 3D Mario, in the same way Wind Waker HD to an extent was the result of testing art styles and technology for BotW.
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I think this is very likely. I would be strange to come up with this concept of free floating obsticle courses in the open world setting for a small add on
 
GuEiMiRrIRoW

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Crayolan

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So it's a Mario Odyssey world made up of Mario 3D World assets? Looks pretty cool but not something I'd rebuy the whole game for.
 
totofogo

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audisio said:
The guy talking seems so familiar. Amazing video by the way.
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Derrick used to work at GameExplain and was behind a lot of their "Analysis Machine" videos of a similar style. The majority of the GX team left to start GVG.

More details on why they left here, it ain't pretty.

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Nitpicker_Red

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One thing I haven't seen mentionned is that the "black substance" is likely inspired from Ferrofluids, a ferric liquid oil-like substance that makes spikes when magnetised.
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OnanieBomb

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Kcoe27400 said:
The characters move about 20% faster they unlocked the movement from only 8 directions and they added a mario odyssey like dive. Plus online though they havent shown or detailed that yet. Thats all we know right now. Nintendo hasnt really talked about any of this at all in any detail. this is just people watching the trailers and noticing new things.
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I didn't know about these changes to movement and I don't know if I support that to be honest.
 
iag

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Me: I want Goku.
Nintendo: we have Goku at home.

Goku at home: Super Saiyan Cat Mario.
 
Eulala

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Aw poo, was hoping for more playable characters like Daisy and Wario. Expansion looks unexpected in a good way.

And for the kiddos, I hope Rosalina's much faster to unlock and I pray to god there's an infinite lives option or a "bubble" mechanic for certain players. It's hilarious when players try to cooperate and die, but not at the expense of HUNDREDS of my farmed lives lol.
 
Watershed

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OMG I just realized something watching the GVG deep dive video. Yes, this new campaign is a mix of 3D World platforming and Odyssey sandbox design, BUT, what Bowser's Fury actually is is a mini Mario BOTW!

Bowser is sleeping in the center of the world, visible from everywhere else. There is a malice-like black goop covering the world that Mario has to clear up. There seem to be four distinct regions of the map. There might be open ended, non-linear gameplay in terms of where you go when. This is a test for Mario BOTW!
 
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Watershed said:
OMG I just realized something watching the GVG deep dive video. Yes, this new campaign is a mix of 3D World platforming and Odyssey sandbox design, BUT, what Bowser's Fury actually is is a mini Mario BOTW!

Bowser is sleeping in the center of the world, visible from everywhere else. There is a malice-like black goop covering the world that Mario has to clear up. There seem to be four distinct regions of the map. There might be open ended, non-linear gameplay in terms of where you go when. This is a test for Mario BOTW!
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Yup. And the fact that it looks like you use the lighthouse to shine light on the gooped up giant cat bell, similar to how you use the divine beasts to shine their lasers on Hyrule Castle
 
Radarscope1

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Watershed said:
OMG I just realized something watching the GVG deep dive video. Yes, this new campaign is a mix of 3D World platforming and Odyssey sandbox design, BUT, what Bowser's Fury actually is is a mini Mario BOTW!

Bowser is sleeping in the center of the world, visible from everywhere else. There is a malice-like black goop covering the world that Mario has to clear up. There seem to be four distinct regions of the map. There might be open ended, non-linear gameplay in terms of where you go when. This is a test for Mario BOTW!
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Yeah this looks like a fun take. Really looking forward to it. And I have all of 3D World to look forward to as well!
 
Diogo Arez

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Just gonna say this, I know it was fanmade but I'll be calling the new Bowser form God Slayer Bowser from now on.

Jokes aside hopefully the level is fun to traverse and doesn't have weird restrictions like can't access this part of the island with x powerup.
 
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