Seems a bit naive to me.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-of-south-koreans-say-they-trust-kim-jong-un
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-of-south-koreans-say-they-trust-kim-jong-un
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Nearly 80% of South Koreans Say They Trust Kim Jong Un
- Thread starter Airing of Grievances
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Who are we to judge? I'm sure Koreans have a better understanding of what the stakes are than any of us.
On the one hand, he authorized heinous executions, assassinations and condemned political rivals and their families to brutal prison camps.
On the other hand, he's still leagues better than his predecessors, likes K-Pop... and is oh-so cuddly.
On the other hand, he's still leagues better than his predecessors, likes K-Pop... and is oh-so cuddly.
Maybe get a person from one of the prison camps to do so instead.
I mean the amount of trust I would put into Kim could be measured by how far I could throw one of their ICBM's by hand.
Then again I'm an outsider looking in, and believe me if this is the start of lasting peace on the Korean peninsula I'm all for it.
Then again I'm an outsider looking in, and believe me if this is the start of lasting peace on the Korean peninsula I'm all for it.
Foreigners shocked as young democracy clouded in corruption appears to be a strongly restricted country socially and financially courting a foreign democracy.
As long as SK does not become a communist state they will accept a lot. Remember these are two countries with the same cultural tradition. They are a single nation split by opposing ideologies.
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The irony (and ignorance) of this statement is that even a cursory understanding of Korean history would tell you why this kind of quick and massive change in public perception is dangerous.
I hate how cavalier media can be with statistics.
What was the sample size? What was the exact question?
There's a world of difference between something like:
Do you think that Kim Jong Un's attempt to negotiate a peace treaty are genuine
vs.
Do you trust Kim Jong Un?
Instead of getting any of that detail, however, we just get "78% of S. Koreans trust KJU", which is a nice sound-byte and headline, but doesn't really mean much without the detail behind it.
What was the sample size? What was the exact question?
There's a world of difference between something like:
Do you think that Kim Jong Un's attempt to negotiate a peace treaty are genuine
vs.
Do you trust Kim Jong Un?
Instead of getting any of that detail, however, we just get "78% of S. Koreans trust KJU", which is a nice sound-byte and headline, but doesn't really mean much without the detail behind it.
This sort of thinking doesn't always apply.
see: International opinions and views on Bush at the time and Trump currently versus the American public.
Maybe South Koreans know something we don't, though. We'll find out who ends up being right in the coming months and years.
Applying common rationality to the situation, a 70% swing in favorability in ~45 days time when shit has happened outside of handshakes is wild to say the least.
I'm not judging them and yes I am shocked.
Yup, and "trusted" how?
Trust him to be honest in his ambitions for peace? Trust him in general? Trust him to take care of his brother at the airport? If it's really just a general "Do you trust KJU?" then the result is startling. I suspect that wasn't the question, however.
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It's not 1 to 1, but it's probably the closest thing they had for comparison.
I still think this was Kim Jong Un's end game.
He comes into power. Immediately, there are people who want to take him down... not only from the military but also from his immediate family.
He has to be ruthless, yes. These people wouldn't hesitate to poison him, backstab him, or just slit his throat. So he acts just like his father did... kill the uncle, throw his body to the dogs, etc.
He goes on and on about his country's nuclear capabilities. That's how he keeps the rest of his military in line. And it also gives him a seat at the big table of countries. His country is poor, but he has a nuke, so that forces other countries to take him seriously. That gives him leverage when negotiating.
So he signs the peace treaty, scales back his nuclear program (which is probably not as advanced as he made it out to be), and everyone breathes a sigh of relief.
And then he gets what he wanted all along... more North Koreans playing Fortnite. Can't really play a battle royale game with only one person.
He comes into power. Immediately, there are people who want to take him down... not only from the military but also from his immediate family.
He has to be ruthless, yes. These people wouldn't hesitate to poison him, backstab him, or just slit his throat. So he acts just like his father did... kill the uncle, throw his body to the dogs, etc.
He goes on and on about his country's nuclear capabilities. That's how he keeps the rest of his military in line. And it also gives him a seat at the big table of countries. His country is poor, but he has a nuke, so that forces other countries to take him seriously. That gives him leverage when negotiating.
So he signs the peace treaty, scales back his nuclear program (which is probably not as advanced as he made it out to be), and everyone breathes a sigh of relief.
And then he gets what he wanted all along... more North Koreans playing Fortnite. Can't really play a battle royale game with only one person.
So when the UN decided to lay sanctions upon North Korea, they should've listened to South Koreans first?
We can't judge international conflicts or situations, because we're not from that country?
How does your logic even work?
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After googling: "MBC poll south Korea", I found another Washington Post article with the same title concluding that 80% of S. Koreans "approve" the (dictator) Kim. The original MBC article can be found here: "http://imnews.imbc.com/replay/2018/nwdesk/article/4593810_22663.html "
Google translate that and:
Also, I'm sure that there a lot of S. Koreans opposed to Kim, as shown by the protests during the winter Olympics.
The dream is, of course, to be unified or at least no conflict, so that's the best outcome of this situation. Its good publicity towards Kim as any opposition to him might muddy the relationship.
I can absolutely see how they would want to trust him, for now at least. Or rather, at least hope that they can. If for no other reason that to see where this goes. Historical speaking this is kind of uncharted waters.
The questions are distinct enough that trying to equating the two polls is sloppy reporting. Especially when the two polls were conducted by two organizations that may not have matching methodologies.Trusting and approving of someone are two completely different things. Polling is notorious in how easy it is to get wildly different results based on how you word a question or what questions are asked prior.
Trump hasn't rounded up families and executed multiple generations of them for one person's crime in concentration camps. False equivalence. Of course Trump's awful, but then there's awful.
I'm glad a bunch of American and European internet posters are here to tell them how wrong they are
Watch in awe as I simultaneously judge people who trust Kim Jong Un and those who voted Trump.
I trust Kim Jong-Un to do whatever he thinks is necessary to maintain a relative status quo for his regime, up to and including cowing to international pressure so long as nobody looks too far beyond Pyongyang.
I don't think Americans have any grounds to condemn or criticize a country's prison situation when the system is set up as a Pipeline from Schools to Prison...im just saying its a bit hypocritical.
If I've lived in a country that's basically been in a soft hostage situation for decades I'd say anything if I thought it could help calm things down in the event of a treaty.
What are you specifically referring to in Korean history?
I mean....you dont really have a leg to stand on. He is your President. He represents you. You can detest him but when it comes to world meetings. Your representative is Donald Trump.
America might as well be a 3rd world country with all the poverty and corruption that plagues it.
Considering the numbers of Americans that get forced to take that shitty 1 year assignment in South Korea for their defense, I think our opinion is as valid as anyone's.
Edit: to clarify S.Korea is great. The assignment is extra shitty because you can't have your family and you are constantly doing war exercises in your chem gear due to NK's unrelenting threats. This rapid change of opinion is stupefying and probably not at all accurate.
What's hypocritical about criticizing both the American prison system and North Korea's labor camps?
What leg do I need to stand on? Do I have to get rid of Trump before I condemn a dictator?
Surely you're not referring to Americans who voluntarily join the military and then go to a different country far away from their own friends, families and hometowns to defend a border that has not been violated since 1953
I think every person on Earth has the right to condemn someone who trusts a government that rounds up and executes families in gulags. Those crimes against humanity are beyond borders, and even if a person lives in a country where similar atrocities occur (and they don't happen in the United States, as awful as its prison situation is) they have the right to criticize its supporters no matter where they are, unless they are themselves responsible for perpetuating similar acts that kill thousands.