It's weird how so much of this thread seems to be ignoring the systematic obvious racism that Serena has faced throughout her entire career and how that might have an impact on her overall psychology that would result in a surprising "meltdown" when she feels she's being treated unfairly and called an immoral cheater.
Like people are seriously pretending her emotions might be coming out of thin air, what's going on, why would she feel like she's targeted in some way. Like I can't tell if people are sincerely on another planet or if they're being deliberately disingenuous for some reason.
Or, you can acknowledge that all of the systematic racism etc. is real, and still think Serena behaved poorly during the match and needlessly escalated, you know? Both of these things can be true at once. I was rooting for Serena myself (as an "older" woman often facing younger upstarts in my own sport, I can relate xD) and I could sympathize with her thinking the first penalty was unfair. But when she smashed the racket and then started contesting that lost point, I just kinda cringed.A lot of the people in this thread don't know the first thing about tennis and are just using this thread as their own personal vehicle to denigrate Serena Williams. Wouldn't be the first time she's had nasty comments thrown at her on here.
They really don't care to genuinely discuss the incident that happened earlier or look at it from an unbiased perspective.
What does her being a black American have to do with anything here? Carlos Ramos isn't even American nor does he have a history of racism. As for the former points, it is clear that Serena saw her coach gesturing, and he even admitted to it and in the video you can see him nodding his head to acknowledge the fact she saw him. However, I don't even think she knew what he was motioning since he was so far away. At the end of day, the umpire saw the coach's motion and decided to penalize Serena. It is unfortunate though and I do think that the rule has to be changed so that the player isn't the one who gets penalized. The person providing the coaching should be warned/kicked out of the stands.
And players get penalized for it all the time. This one is on Serena
That was definitely not the time nor the place to bring that up!! I couldn't believe Serena would waste all that time and energy on something that will not happen on court. I have no idea where she was even going with that argument. She really got sidetracked and lost concentration which should not be happening in a slam final.
While I can't comment on other female players, I can say when Federer had his outburst in the 2009 US Open (same year as Serena's infamous one), he wasn't penalized but he was fined afterwards.
I still consider it a meltdown due to the fact that Serena just couldn't stay focused and just let all the problems get to her. I feel like with the history she has had here and all the experiences in slam finals, she should have just worked through the problems like the champ she is.
Damn, didn't expect the majority of this thread to be against Serena. Surprising. I say neither she nor Osaka deserved that today. Coulda been better for both women. Either way man, I'm outtie. See yall in another thread.
That incident in the match against Clijsters left Williams on a two-year probation period, leading to a $2,000 (£1,265) fine after she abused umpire Eva Asderaki in the 2011 final where she lost to Sam Stosur.
"If you ever see me down the hallway look the other way," she told Asderaki. "You're out of control. You're a hater and you're just unattractive inside."
Meltdown or no, arguing "I'm being penalized because I'm a woman" while violating code in a match against another woman doesn't put her in the right for acting that way during the match IMO.
If that's the case then why did Serena claim to the umpire that he stuck up his thumbs as encouragement instead of coaching her? Kinda odd if she didn't see him right.
If that's the case then why did Serena claim to the umpire that he stuck up his thumbs as encouragement instead of coaching her? Kinda odd if she didn't see him right.
well her mom is Japanese so would'nt that bow still seem a little weird to even to her? I doubt it would be lol worthy to her mom tho, the family lives in South Florida right now, even if she was born in Japan the bowing is excessive.Wouldn't it be her mom that is loling the most at the misinterpretation?
As in the person whose culture is being followed in a weird way would probably have the most reaction. Like if someone was trying to emulate something poorly from french culture and a french person goes "lol wut is that".well her mom is Japanese so would'nt that bow still seem a little weird to even to her? I doubt it would be lol worthy to her mom tho, the family lives in South Florida right now, even if she was born in Japan the bowing is excessive.
Jesus, Serena got her say in, the chair umpire let her vent without penalizing her, and then SHE. JUST. KEPT. GOING.
Learn when to let it go. She even gave him the whole "you'll never work in this town again" kind of line.
Osaka wouldn't have been getting booed in the first place if Serena wasn't so petulant. She couldn't just take the L like a professional and whipped her stupid ass fans into a furore.
yeah you are rightAs in the person whose culture is being followed in a weird way would probably have the most reaction. Like if someone was trying to emulate something poorly from french culture and a french person goes "lol wut is that".
Even the thread title here is annoying. It should be just "Naomi Osaka Claims US Open Title"...no need for any "After Serena Williams Meltdown"...it was quite theatrical but it ultimately didn't do anything but cost her a point and a single game. Naomi won the other 11 games by herself.
How the hell is Osaka supposed to know who these people are booing anyway? If they are booing while she receives the trophy, I think she's going to assume it's directed at her. The fact she's literally in tears suggests she's not just waving it all off.How is this even close to what happened? Osaka isn't the one who was being booed and once the win was actually decided, Serena treated the winner with respect. If she's somehow responsible for the behavior of the crowd, then wouldn't that behavior be positive?
It kind of just seems like you're determined to shit on her for every aspect of this. Say you dislike her behavior or think she took it poorly, okay, but she showed good sportsmanship toward the winner, which is what that word generally means unless we're suddenly expecting athletes to all like refs and umpires now. Going to be a really short list of acceptable displays of sportsmanship in that case.
Even the thread title here is annoying. It should be just "Naomi Osaka Claims US Open Title"...no need for any "After Serena Williams Meltdown"...it was quite theatrical but it ultimately didn't do anything but cost her a point and a single game. Naomi won the other 11 games by herself.
Even the thread title here is annoying. It should be just "Naomi Osaka Claims US Open Title"...no need for any "After Serena Williams Meltdown"...it was quite theatrical but it ultimately didn't do anything but cost her a point and a single game. Naomi won the other 11 games by herself.
Why do they even ban coaching in the first place? Seems pretty weird when so many other sports allow coaching during a game.if coachng is banned, why not make coaches sit in an enclosed space out of view of the players.
Sports are inherently an entertainment product. No one came to watch the refs. People came to watch the athletes play.As an aside, I also fucking despise the logic that the rules should be applied differently or less stringently in a final. The fuck?
Djokovic might....
Why do they even ban coaching in the first place? Seems pretty weird when so many other sports allow coaching during a game.
Fuck this bullshit. Having a completely different set of a rules for one particular game ruins the integrity of the sport.Sports are inherently an entertainment product. No one came to watch the refs. People came to watch the athletes play.
Especially in a finals match, people don't wanna see the refs get involved too heavily because it's boring. It happens in literally every sport for a reason.
Literally every sport had their integrity ruined then lolFuck this bullshit. Having a completely different set of a rules for one particular game ruins the integrity of the sport.
Sports are inherently an entertainment product. No one came to watch the refs. People came to watch the athletes play.
Especially in a finals match, people don't wanna see the refs get involved too heavily because it's boring. It happens in literally every sport for a reason.
Fuck this bullshit. Having a completely different set of a rules for one particular game ruins the integrity of the sport.
How the hell is Osaka supposed to know who these people are booing anyway? If they are booing while she receives the trophy, I think she's going to assume it's directed at her. The fact she's literally in tears suggests she's not just waving it all off.
I don't think congratulating or hugging your opponent is enough to make up for the fact Serena's behaviour brought the whole event into disrepute leaving Osaka with an angry mob booing her in what should have been the moment of her life.
So many fake progressives in this thread sucking the cocks of other sexist people. Just because they enjoy seeing a powerful woman shot down.
This would never have happened to a man. Period.
I'm not claiming she's wrong that she has less leeway with the rules due to her gender.
So many fake progressives in this thread sucking the cocks of other sexist people. Just because they enjoy seeing a powerful woman shot down.
This would never have happened to a man. Period.
if coachng is banned, why not make coaches sit in an enclosed space out of view of the players.
So many fake progressives in this thread sucking the cocks of other sexist people. Just because they enjoy seeing a powerful woman shot down.
This would never have happened to a man. Period.
I mean she was playing against a woman. And plenty of men received penalties for talking back in tennis. I'm really confused what kind of point Serena was trying to make when she brought gender into this discussion. And what's up with her mentioning that she is a mom? What does that have to do with rules of tennis?So many fake progressives in this thread sucking the cocks of other sexist people. Just because they enjoy seeing a powerful woman shot down.
This would never have happened to a man. Period.
This was actually explained to me already by another poster.wait until you find out that the men cant have coaches on court throughout the year.
I mean she was playing against a woman. And plenty of men received penalties for talking back in tennis. I'm really confused what kind of point Serena was trying to make when she brought gender into this discussion. And what's up with her mentioning that she us a mom? What does that have to do with rules of tennis?