Yeah, I mean a ref making a living with presiding over women's tennis matches suddenly decided to fuck over the most famous active female tennis player because reasons... oh wait she actually broke rules.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Naomi Osaka claims U.S. Open title after Serena Williams meltdown (Read OP)
- Thread starter signal
- Start date
Yeah, I mean a ref making a living with presiding over women's tennis matches suddenly decided to fuck over the most famous active female tennis player because reasons... oh wait she actually broke rules.
I used to watch a lot of tennis and can never remember a player going after an umpire so angrily for so long. It was either a quick shout and move on, or a long chat over multiple changeovers. Never a load of shouty abuse over a long period of time.
Disclaimer, I haven't watched much tennis is last 5 years or so, so things might have changed.
From where I was sitting Serena lost her head big time and deserved the punishment.
I get it though, the amount of pressure she felt under to be a superwoman (she, like most women, are anyway) and to have this dream comeback story must have been huge and she must have been massively frustrated to be so outplayed, so can understand her total loss of composure, but I'd hope, in days / weeks to come she'll understand what she did and apologise to the umpire
Is it that weird? She felt like she was being called a cheater, which she considers immoral. She's saying that she considers herself a moral person who tries to set an example for her child, and it's clear from that why she was so incensed by the call. She wasn't just mad because of this particular match, she really seemed to think it was a statement on her character.
If we're being honest: he was coaching, but she didn't want it and she wasn't lying when she said she would rather lose. It was a guy faulting her for what another guy did and, she felt, calling her an immoral person on top of it. That's why she got so emotional about it and her bringing up motherhood makes it very clear where her head is at in regards to it.
Especially given the context of the very racist and sexist treatment she so often receives in the sport, I think it's understandable that she takes being called immoral really personally.
Doesn't the statement you're responding to say they believe men who break the same rules do not receive the same punishment, not that she didn't break any rules? It even says she "probably deserved what she got."
I'm just unclear on what argument you think you're answering.
Grats to Naomi! Must be so cool being able to play against your idol and get a win. Whatever at Serena's dramatics, I'm glad she supported and hugged Naomi at the end, that's what matters more.
I haven't seen any arguments at all in that post. Just deflecting any blame from Serena.
Would have. Even hilariously awkward if Ramos obeyed Serena's request to appologize mid-match.
"Ladies and gentlemen, I appologize for giving Serena a coaching warning and Serena is not a cheater. Thank you"
Audience: light clap
"Ladies and gentlemen, I appologize for giving Serena a coaching warning and Serena is not a cheater. Thank you"
Audience: light clap
LOL what is this thread. Osaka had absolutely nothing to do with any of the controversy.
EDIT: I also think it's a little hilarious how coaching has ONCE AGAIN become a point of controversy here at the U.S. Open, especially after Lahyani gave his "pep talk" to Kyrgios
Just don't get that, sorry.
It's sport, you will get the odd occasional duff (or what you think is duff) call and you just have to deal with it.
I don't even think the call was duff. The replays show clear coaching and the coach admitted to it. Yes, it's shit Serena got the blame for her coaches fuck up, but that's the rules and she should have it out with her coach after.
Her initial exchange with the umpire (I don't cheat, I'd rather lose) was fine if she felt she needed to have her say. Even in that she admitted that from his POV it could look like coaching.
Everything that happened after that was her doing. She had a meltdown... It happens to the best of us sometimes. I hope now she just takes it on the chin and apologise to the umpire for taking away his moment.
She doesn't need to apologize to the umpire for taking away his moment because umpires are supposed to be as invisible as possible, just like in other sports you never want an umpire to have an effect on the game. She does need to apologize to Osaka, however, for taking away her big moment of winning her maiden grand slam title. She can never have that moment back.
Pathetic display by Serena.
- Gets coached, gets rightfully called out for it
- Said she isn't a cheater, while the umpire didn't call her that
- Demands an apology
- Tells the umpire to not talk to her again, which he accepts, and after that she continues to foul mouth the umpire and call him a thief
- Gets penalized for it, calls the ref
- The ref comes down with a lady who's role I don't know, she gives the lady the "I'm a mother" tears and then changes strategy, when talking to the ref by playing the sex card.
And still there are people defending her. A player of her caliber and experience should be mentally stronger than that and not take it out one the court. She was losing and got frustrated.
- Gets coached, gets rightfully called out for it
- Said she isn't a cheater, while the umpire didn't call her that
- Demands an apology
- Tells the umpire to not talk to her again, which he accepts, and after that she continues to foul mouth the umpire and call him a thief
- Gets penalized for it, calls the ref
- The ref comes down with a lady who's role I don't know, she gives the lady the "I'm a mother" tears and then changes strategy, when talking to the ref by playing the sex card.
And still there are people defending her. A player of her caliber and experience should be mentally stronger than that and not take it out one the court. She was losing and got frustrated.
Serena clowned herself and acted like a damn child.
Really sad Naomi had to deal with this garbage to affect her win.
Really sad Naomi had to deal with this garbage to affect her win.
Holy shit she's so charming.
"Any plans to celebrate tonight?"
"Sleep! Umm... I'm not really a social person like that. Maybe play a video game, I don't know....."
"Ever had a drink?"
"No, I'm 20!"
Never meet your idols...
What a horriblly bittersweet night for Naomi though, I was reading about it this morning on a BBC article, this line stood out:
:(
Fuck off with that. Serena is a great tennis Champion and hall of famer, I have enjoyed watching her style of tennis over the years, she still deserved what she got and further overshadowed a younger champion in her moment. It wasn't sexist at all. What of McEnroe, a man, who was defaulted out of the Australia Open some 25 years ago? He was penalised way harsher for challenging umpires repeatedly under rule changes back in 1990. I never heard him crying about how women can get away with it.
To quote McEnroe as a response to your ridiculous post "You cannot be serious".
source
Edit:
How about Fognini, another man, who was banned for two grand slams due to his behaviour towards an umpire? This literally happened at the US Open recently.
Last edited:
He was supposed to be presented with a medal at the end of the game, but that had to be cut
Serena and her coach both broke rules, the coach started it and Serena made the situation worse by having a meltdown.
P.S it was a meltdown, she lost control.
P.S it was a meltdown, she lost control.
From:
http://baseline.tennis.com/article/74051/naomi-osaka-talks-video-game-habits-gq
'In the magazine's feature story, Osaka opened up about her inner nerd, saying she spends as much time playing video games as she does on the court. She's partial to playing hours of Overwatch everyday with her sister.'
I bet she kicks all sorts of ass in OW and is playing right now.
Really? In soccer you'd easily get a yellow card for directly questioning or verbally abusing the referee. I assume that's quite common in sports. It wasn't just a quick 'you're a thief' it was a barrage of verbal abuse
In rugby
In rugby you'd get penalised, marched back 10 yards, then yellow card (10 mins off the field) for any backchat.
If it's really bad, you'd get a straight red (sent off for the rest of the game)
In rugby you'd get penalised, marched back 10 yards, then yellow card (10 mins off the field) for any backchat.
If it's really bad, you'd get a straight red (sent off for the rest of the game)
No she's deflecting.
She wasn't docked a game for calling the referee a thief. She was given a warning for verbally abusing the referee including but not only calling him a thief.
She was docked a game because it was her third warning
It's like in soccer - an offence may only be a yellow card warning but if it is your second, you are off the pitch
Some other sports where coaching isn't allowed are golf or chess and thinking about it coaches aren't involved with things like diving at the Olympics etc.
I bet her hand-eye coordination and reaction time is perfect for that shit lol.
I've been a fan for a while, hoping she would break out. Just such a grounded and nice person.
While the coach was in the wrong, it's pretty scary to see just how quick people turn on Serena Williams to uplift the demure and quiet Osaka. Makes you wonder.
This is absurd. I was rooting for Serena to win since the beginning. But she had a meltdown and I don't think that's remotely controversial to say. I don't know why people are bickering over the word. She wasn't just mildly annoyed.
Maybe not, but I'd call those meltdowns too. :P
Well, yes. Can the ref say "I'm a father, I don't lie" (assuming he is) when she calls him a liar or a thief? lol. She was angry and defensive, sure, but it was still a silly and ridiculous thing to say.
Huh?
Deserved what she got. Sometimes for elite athletes it's a fine line between being ultra competitive and losing the plot and on this occasion she lost the plot.
...She talks weird. kinda off putting lol
anyway, wonder if her or anyone will rise up in the next generation. Seems no one has really taken that mantle.
Yeah this.
Me and wife stayed up late to watch and are both Serena fans.
But she fucked up on this occasion
All over the internet I'm seeing the same sentiment that Serena had a "black girl moment" and should be more like Osaka. It's pretty overt what people are meaning.
Do you think it's reasonable or unreasonable for a professional athlete to demand that an umpire apologize and and make an announcement that they were wrong about a call they made in the middle of a match they are currently officiating? Have you ever seen an umpire do this in any sporting event ever?
Even when a call is shown to be wrong, and the umpire sees a replay after the fact, and admits they were wrong, the call is still going to stand. You can argue with the umpire as much as you want, but it's NEVER going to reverse a call.
Did you guys realise Serena had a baby!! Jesus fucking Christ, millions upon millions of women have babies every year, yet all she goes on about is how hard it is to come back....
Tell the women who work two jobs without a nanny how hard it is....
She is not a woman's pioneer at all, she is a highly privileged individual who is making out they are some sort special person because she pushed a child out of her vagina...
Oh and shame on the US crowd, completely classless
Tell the women who work two jobs without a nanny how hard it is....
She is not a woman's pioneer at all, she is a highly privileged individual who is making out they are some sort special person because she pushed a child out of her vagina...
Oh and shame on the US crowd, completely classless
I bet she's on ERA! I want her found YESTERDAY! Get me that username, pronto! Era detectives, go!
/S
You completely missed the whole point of her saying that if this is all you took from that statement.
She seems so nice and humble while being awkward at the same time. I'm glad she won.
"I'm not the type to spend money on myself."
...she's 20
Last edited:
What a shit show Serena, a great champion like you shouldn't behave like that, Osaka was amazing and she deserves the win.
