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man this is really making me think right now
 

excelsiorlef

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Btw that almost everyone replying to that YouTube employees tweets saying the dude shouldn't even be age restricted and are in total support of the guy getting his channel back tells you everything about who is truly catered to in this industry and the gaming community.

Immature, pathetic, sniveling dorks, who have to hide behind video game violence against women because if they ever had to meet one in public they'd probably piss themselves before even saying hello.... but then call her a bitch under his breath after she's gone.
 

s1lver

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Really didn't mean to derail the thread. I actually thought I would be in the majority with my take that men do stupid shit all the time, such as dipshit #1 who is literally using a video game as revenge porn against feminists. How people are jumping over that to defend men and hitting me with #notallmen is crazy. We even have some people in here defending the kid as if his actions are no big deal. We just had someone go into a yoga studio and shoot women because he was an incel. We gotta stop acting like our shit does not stink. Obvious-fucking-ly not all of us do wild shit and behave like this, but the ease in which some of you are willing to sweep this under the rug is scary.

The problem with your commentary is the absurd generalization that "men are terrible". Worst, you generalize based on an dipshit like this Youtuber. Imagine me generalizing this entire forum based solely on your posts. Or worse, some posts that I've read in here and other threads defending this dipshit.
 
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Not surprised they re-instated them. I was actually surprised they took it down. Figures that they'd see this as a "mistake". Cowards.

What? You're against human moderators for Youtube?
Im not against human mods.
I'm against people ignoring TOS, and acting based off emotions. It's unfair & it's unprofessional.
You're running a business.
 

Trup1aya

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You've explained nothing other than it makes him a martyr....

That's not an explanation for why it does a disservice to feminism, that's a serious charge friendo.

Oh it's an explanation. Maybe not one you agree with. But it's certainly a better explaination than "nope".

Why do I think Martyrism is a disservice? Because it plays right into the talking points that these assholes use to build their ranks. It's as if the article wrote their script.

I didn't even have to read the headline to know what the reply was going to be.

"I can murder 1 million men in this game, but the moment I hurt 1 female the SJWs in the liberal media tries to castrate me. I won't be silenced. Yadayadya"

You and I both know who the real victims are - the women who end up targets to this sick ideology. But who is this article REALLY going to energize? Who's going to capitalize on the victim card?

Giving these guys a platform isn't the way to shut them up or change their behavior.
 
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I don't see why the (original) medium beong a game should have anything to do with whether or not this constitutes hate speech. The content was deliberately created, edited and framed to make a video. If the channel had made a series of live action shorts or radio plays featuring the same content it still wouldn't be "real" people being attacked but it would still undoubtedly be promoting violence against women for wanting voting rights.
 

newmoneytrash

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Im not against human mods.
I'm against people ignoring TOS, and acting based off emotions. It's unfair & it's unprofessional.
You're running a business.
There is no evidence of this happening, why do you keep saying it

Oh it's an explanation. Maybe not one you agree with. But it's certainly a better explaination than "nope".

Why do I think Martyrism is a disservice? Because it plays right into the talking points that these assholes use to build their ranks. It's as if the article wrote their script.

I didn't even have to read the headline to know what the reply was going to be.

"I can murder 1 million men in this game, but the moment I hurt 1 female the SJWs in the liberal media tries to castrate me. I won't be silenced. Yadayadya"

You and I both know who the real victims are - the women who end up targets to this sick ideology. But who is this article REALLY going to energize? Who's going to capitalize the victim card?

Giving these guys a platform isn't the way to shut them up or change their behavior.
You do realise that all of the shitheads rallying around this all mostly come directly from his fanbase and through seeing posts online and not from this article, right?

This didn't give him a platform, he *has* a platform, this is just exposing the stupid garbage he engages with to an audience who doesn't dwell in those disgusting circles. Shining a light on how awful Gamers can be isn't a negative thing and is in no way turning him into a martyr. If anyone was going to attempt to turn him into a martyr it'd be himself, and without articles like these there would really be no opposing voice against it
 

excelsiorlef

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Oh it's an explanation. Maybe not one you agree with. But it's certainly a better explaination than "nope".

Why do I think Martyrism is a disservice? Because it plays right into the talking points that these assholes use to build their ranks. It's as if the article wrote their script.

I didn't even have to read the headline to know what the reply was going to be.

"I can murder 1 million men in this game, but the moment I hurt 1 female the SJWs in the liberal media tries to castrate me. I won't be silenced. Yadayadya"

You and I both know who the real victims are - the women who end up targets to this sick ideology. But who is this article REALLY going to energize? Who's going to capitalize the victim card?

Giving these guys a platform isn't the way to shut them up or change their behavior.

I mean YouTube just gave him back his platform, so now there's a good angle to go after YouTube for being cowards.

And dude if we tailor everything to avoid "giving the alt right fuel" we'd have to just shut up and even then they'd keep going. I'm fucking sick of this idea of always concerning ourselves with given perpetual motion hate machines ammo, who the fuck cares, they don't dictate, we do. Fuck em.

Now with the article written and YouTube bending over backwards to give the guy his platform back we can move to putting YouTube on blast.


Writing about misogynists is not giving misogynists a platform. Now YouTube can't just quietly restore the guy and pretend nothing happened, well they'll try.
 

Akai

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YouTube continues being garbage and spineless, I see...

Keemstar also completely missing the point (probably intentionally). Not sure why I even bothered watching his video.
 

excelsiorlef

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Im not against human mods.
I'm against people ignoring TOS, and acting based off emotions. It's unfair & it's unprofessional.
You're running a business.

Most companies who aren't you know cowards wouldn't actually want their platform to be associated with giving voice to raging misogynists, that's the logical position, the emotional position is the free speech absolutism that teeters on masturbatory that these tech giants use to cover themselves from being held responsible for the hate they help peddle.
 
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why are you so convinced that this was a decision based off emotions?

There is no evidence of this happening, why do you keep saying it

We don't know who or what led to the decision to terminate his channel. Why are you continuously stating this as if it's a fact?

Eveyone, I said it was most likely the algorithm...And I said IF it was a human being, that's not okay.

this was my original post for gods sake lmao:

"He should get his channel back.
Youtube 'drawing lines in the sand' at a moments notice is unprofessional.

Although, I just think it was an influx of flaggers that made Youtube's algorithm shut his channel down."

It's okay guys. We all learn and grow together :) <3
 

Icemonk191

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Wow! "Motherboard"?!? Why isn't it called Fatherboard? This is so sexist against men #notallmen #himtoo./s

Some of y'all can't wait to show everyone how much of a POS you are can you?
 

newmoneytrash

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Eveyone, I said it was most likely the algorithm...And I said IF it was a human being, that's not okay.

this was my original post for gods sake lmao:

"He should get his channel back.
Youtube 'drawing lines in the sand' at a moments notice is unprofessional.

Although, I just think it was an influx of flaggers that made Youtube's algorithm shut his channel down."

It's okay guys. We all learn and grow together :) <3
So if you know that it had nothing to do with the emotions of an individual what do you get out of constantly bringing it up?

Yes? But I don't think killing others should be something that gives one positive karma, regardless of who they are.
Ah, the mistake you're making is thinking that members of the KKK are people
 
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Most companies who aren't you know cowards wouldn't actually want their platform to be associated with giving voice to raging misogynists, that's the logical position, the emotional position is the free speech absolutism that teeters on masturbatory that these tech giants use to cover themselves from being held responsible for the hate they help peddle.
in this specific situation, It's not about politics with me.
It's just about being fair...and IF someone at youtube targeted this channel based off those videos...it's not fair
 

psychowave

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Eveyone, I said it was most likely the algorithm...And I said IF it was a human being, that's not okay.

this was my original post for gods sake lmao:

"He should get his channel back.
Youtube 'drawing lines in the sand' at a moments notice is unprofessional.

Although, I just think it was an influx of flaggers that made Youtube's algorithm shut his channel down."

It's okay guys. We all learn and grow together :) <3
so if it was a human, it's guaranteed to have been an emotion-based decision? why? what makes you think that? and why are you trying to be snarky?
And I just realized that you're yet another low post account that hasn't been active since June and finally decided to post today in this thread specifically.
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lmao nvm
 

excelsiorlef

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Eveyone, I said it was most likely the algorithm...And I said IF it was a human being, that's not okay.

this was my original post for gods sake lmao:

"He should get his channel back.
Youtube 'drawing lines in the sand' at a moments notice is unprofessional.

Although, I just think it was an influx of flaggers that made Youtube's algorithm shut his channel down."

It's okay guys. We all learn and grow together :) <3


Ahh yes the desired future where what is hatred is determined by some fucked up algorithm, the same algorithm that says oh you just watched a feminist analysis of a video game... may I interest you in 10 videos about how Feminists are all cunts who want to destroy the industry with their emotions and gamer hatred?!.... and anything else is evil emotions.
 

Karish

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These videos did not have that many views. They are pouring gasoline on an ember and turning it into a fire.
 

excelsiorlef

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in this specific situation, It's not about politics with me.
It's just about being fair...and IF someone at youtube targeted this channel based off those videos...it's not fair

You know what's not fair, an entire industry that is too afraid to stand up to misogyny


But I'm glad you care more about what's fair to the 2 bit misogynist.
 
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Almost all video games reward killing people, even if it's through something as basic as level progression. Why are you objecting to this case in particular?

I guess I just don't like it being framed as "karma", which is generally related to morality.

Rewards like coin, xp, etc have a very different connotation for me personally.
 

Merv

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Looks like the You Tuber finally got the reaction he was looking for. Hope it was worth it.
 

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Oh its that guy. I've seen his videos pop up in the recomendation bar since I've started looking stuff up for RDR2. Anyways, fuck 'em.
 
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And I just realized that you're yet another low post account that hasn't been active since June and finally decided to post today in this thread specifically.
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there's nothing wrong with my post count...
I don't have to use this website every single day or join every discussion... I can use it at me leisure

I'll only discuss in topics that i'm interested in.
 

Crossing Eden

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there's nothing wrong with my post count...
I don't have to use this website every single day or join every discussion... I can use it at me leisure

I'll only discuss in topics that i'm interested in.
There's a wide range between literally not being active for months and only appearing in a thread specifically about yet another gamer attacking the idea of feminism only to stan for said gamer while ignoring all context. You ain't slick.

Yes? But I don't think killing others should be something that gives one positive karma, regardless of who they are.
If you don't they kill themselves. Because "fuck the KKK" is the overall message in RDR2 whenever the KKK are involved in anything.
 

Sub Boss

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That woman was written as 'annoying' as possible for teen male gamers to hate her >:(

Not very subtle from Rockstar
 

Budi

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Swastika is so contextual though - there would need to be case by case vetting I think. For a large, large part of the world, including my own, it's a religious symbol.
It's also used in Finland in different forms and was before the Nazis.
That woman was written as 'annoying' as possible for teen male gamers to hate her >:(

Not very subtle from Rockstar
Haven't played the game so I'm no expert since I don't have full context, but based on clips I've earlier seen I do disagree. I'd rather side eye people who do find her annoying.
 
Dec 9, 2017
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so if it was a human, it's guaranteed to have been an emotion-based decision? why? what makes you think that? and why are you trying to be snarky?

lmao nvm

Ahh yes the desired future where what is hatred is determined by some fucked up algorithm, the same algorithm that says oh you just watched a feminist analysis of a video game... may I interest you in 10 videos about how Feminists are all cunts who want to destroy the industry with their emotions and gamer hatred?!.... and anything else is evil emotions.
I don't think I can win with you guys. lol
 

Razor Mom

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Most video games reward you for killing shitty people. Why should this one be any different? It would be weird if killing KKK members didn't give honor.
Whilst you're right, I think this is an issue with the industry at large. For a medium which seems to revolve around stories helmed by mass murderers, there's an incredible lack of self awareness or reflection on the mental impact of this kind of destruction. For sane people, killing almost never feels good - and it doesn't matter how disgusting the people you kill are. Totally off topic I know, sorry.
 

SolidSnakex

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That woman was written as 'annoying' as possible for teen male gamers to hate her >:(

Not very subtle from Rockstar

But she's not annoying. I ran across her when I made it to where she's at and she's just a normal protester. Yes, she repeats her core message (to let her vote), but that's literally standard practice for those protesting. You want to drill your message into the heads of everyone.
 

psychowave

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That woman was written as 'annoying' as possible for teen male gamers to hate her >:(

Not very subtle from Rockstar
i haven't played the game at all or seen footage of the character, but i'm sure even if she was just standing to the side holding a sign they'd find her annoying and want to kill her
I don't think I can win with you guys. lol
you haven't even attempted to explain why you think the decision had to be emotion-based if a human made it. lol
 

Helloween

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Saw the same 'Annoying' protester comments in Vampyr threads and videos, fucking obvious folks, just be honest and say you dont like feminists.