Err my bad. No. She is a standout in the House for this stance though.Is Liz Cheney voting to impeach in the House indicative of Repubs convicting in Senate?
Oh crap my apologies
Dont apologize. I heard CNN wrong. She's in the House. She's the third most powerful member of the GOP in the House, so her words carry weight.
its worse for them if he runs 3rd party. it might cost them 2022, but its far better long term to do this and miconal knows it.I don't doubt that McConnell and others would like to excise Trump from the party to try and regain control of the reins and that this is a rare & tempting opportunity to that.
From their perspective the question is how much of a risk is it to the establishment GOP if they openly declare war on Trump? Supporting impeachment would definitely be an open declaration of war, there is no question about that, but they need to make sure it is a war they will likely win. I think Trump, the individual, could actually be reasonably well contained by this. For one losing his twitter lessens his ability to whip up rage and if he's barred from running in 2024 then it's harder to make himself the focus of national politics, which is the only reason that narcissist was interested in politics in the first place. Also his children are so pathetic that I seriously doubt that they are a threat.
Containing Trumpism is much more difficult. It's such a malignant cult and it's got such a stranglehold over US rightwing politics that I'm not sure how establishment republicans can take it down without serious collateral damage. What does Hawley, Marjorie Taylor Greene and all the other trumpers in the senate and especially the house do if McConnell helps get him impeached and convicted? If it does happen and a substantial number of pro-Trump republican congresspeople resign from the party, then I reckon the GOP are in big trouble 🍿.
Republicans don't want to damage their potential future voters, even if they might just vote for Trump, the GOP thinks that they are republican voters and rather not look worse to them.
It's a bold move by the R's if they move to impeach anyway, I would expect they're thinking about 2028 elections, as impeaching Trump would likely decimate their chances in 2024 and Trump might even publicly support a third party runner.
Err my bad. No. She is a standout in the House for this stance though.
I don't believe a damn thing I hear about this dude and neither should you.
Correct.so if they impeach him, then biden would be the 47th? since pence would be 46?
so Pence could be the president with the shortest term ever?
They aren't losing elections. On the whole, republicans have gained more seats and have won a significant amount of down ballot votes.People keep saying this, meanwhile the Republican party keeps losing elections. The "base" is not enough and they know it. It isn't even enough to win senate seats in Georgia.
Further do you really think the base is going anywhere? They'll line up behind the next Republican asshole just the same. The trick is winning votes beyond the base and this is not something they can do with Trump being so toxic.
They need Trump gone from good so they can rebuild, simple as that.
I'm thinking it's the opposite- impeachment and removal is the equivalent of ripping the band aid off. Doing it takes Trump out of contention for 2024 no matter what. They can immediately pivot to rebuilding their platform.
Failure to impeach is just going to lead to years of in ighting within the GOP as Trump will continue to toy with the concept of running for the next four years even if I personally don't think he actually will.
Wrong wording, sorry... cost them the House, the Senate, the Executive. He has led them to massive losses.He didn't cost them all 3 branches. They solidly have the judicial.
Really incredible that the rest of the country has been facing this threat for the last four years and it only matters when the extremists literally make it into the capitol. Makes you wonder how many other important issues would be solved if it affected lawmakers directly.
Yes if he never wins which I don't think he would. Pence can still have 2 terms. Presidents can server 2 terms and/or 10 years.
2 dozen in the Senate though? Or 2 dozen across the House and Senate?
I wonder if they are going to go the Nixon route. McConnell and McCarthy go up to the WH to tell him that he has lost the support of the GOP powers that be and he needs to resign or else he will be removed during the Senate hearings.
he can do that, but if he is remoived, he himself cant run, so.I wonder if they are going to go the Nixon route. McConnell and McCarthy go up to the WH to tell him that he has lost the support of the GOP powers that be and he needs to resign or else he will be removed during the Senate hearings.
Sadly, Trump will pull a Palpatine and say "I am the GOP". To a certain extent he is correct. His base has been talking about establishing a "Patriot Party" and how the establishment GOP has been losing more and more elections and that is a sign that the GOP we all have grown-up with is on its last legs.