Neat story, dudeHmmm this thread has to be a lie because
Sorry OP. Microsoft seems to be doing just fine with GOTYs.
Neat story, dudeHmmm this thread has to be a lie because
Sorry OP. Microsoft seems to be doing just fine with GOTYs.
But it would, i would say Xbox has better games in most genres of FPS, TPS, RTS, Racers, Fighters and Platformers in comparison to PS4.You really don't want to do a list war. It would not be pretty for you.
Horizon was the GOTY runner up in 2017. It wasn't a "mid 80's range" game either it was an 89 and very close to being a 90. Stop bringing up how much a game sold to make it out like a game is great or deserving of being a GOTY contender. COD, Madden, etc all sell millions every year. That doesn't mean they are GOTY quality games.The thing is your logic is flawed because there's no exact definition for cultural touchstone as it's a personal preference. Is Forza horizon 4 not a cultural touchstone? One of the greatest racing games ever made, a 92 MC and 10 mill players in less than a year? Ori sold millions with a 90+ MC, so did cuphead (88 Mc). So the thing is it's just a personal preference that can't really be justified in a quantitative sense at all.
How can you say Horizon zero dawn is a standout game when MS has put out multiple games in that same mid 80's range that also sold big. That's literally nonsensical
Yes, exactly.It would be more interesting and people would see exactly what I'm saying. Even if you look at the top 5 winners per year you still wouldn't hardly see any Microsoft games. On the other hand you'll see a ton of Nintendo and Sony games.
People in here acting like Microsoft has had some amazing games they just weren't the consensus pick. Well they weren't the runner up or third or fourth place finisher either people. Not in the last 10 years at least. Journey won 50+ awards in 2012 so that's why they tout that. We aren't talking about games like Ori that won 1 or Gears or War 2 or 3 that only won a handful.
Post your list, then, and let it speak for itself.But it would, i would say Xbox has better games in most genres of FPS, TPS, RTS, Racers, Fighters and Platformers in comparison to PS4.
PS4 excel at the narrative 3rd person action adventure genre, and the come out on top here.
It stupid to suggest Xbox has "no games", could they do better? Yes. They are obviously looking to rectify this further.
Unfortunately two of the games you are counting for Xbox have lost so much luster in sales and reviews that it doesn't matter and is nothing to brag about. But overall quality is not even a contest. I don't have make list to get that across, but you are definitely omitting some genres.
But it would, i would say Xbox has better games in most genres of FPS, TPS, RTS, Racers, Fighters and Platformers in comparison to PS4.
PS4 excel at the narrative 3rd person action adventure genre, and the come out on top here.
It stupid to suggest Xbox has "no games", could they do better? Yes. They are obviously looking to rectify this further.
A couple those genres PS doesn't even make so by default I guess. Uncharted and TLOU count as TPS so no Gears lost that spot years ago.
Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
I feel Nintendo gets a free ride by, people say Microsoft don't reinvent their franchises etc, but except for the latest Zelda Nintendo very rarely do.
Every generation they churn out the same games that hardly differ from the previous version, there are many examples of this.
Bad joke is bad.Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
The shooting in UC 4 and LL is ace.Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
FPS = Halo.Yes, exactly.
And while there's no hiding that Halo 3 was a big deal back in 2007 and Gears was in 2006 (GOTY or not), those franchises now being shells of what they used to be all point to Microsoft losing their touch in 1st party. All while Nintendo and Sony manage to reinvent & keep their same franchises fresh and GOTY-caliber over multiple years (BotW, GoW, Uncharted).
Thankfully MS is fully aware of this, so hopefully there are good things to come.
Post your list, then, and let it speak for itself.
Doesn't look like you're convincing anyone so far.
Shooting mechanics in Uncharted is awful, that is why the multiplayer is awful.Bad joke is bad.
The gun and traversal mechanics of Uncharted 4 and beyond have far surpassed anything Gears has put out. The verticality of U4's MP alone makes it more interesting.
I'm not going to because clearly as people say ex. Halo has lost its luster and isn't an event anymore. That's a sales talk. SomliterallHorizon was the GOTY runner up in 2017. It wasn't a "mid 80's range" game either it was an 89 and very close to being a 90. Stop bringing up how much a game sold to make it out like a game is great or deserving of being a GOTY contender. COD, Madden, etc all sell millions every year. That doesn't mean they are GOTY quality games.
FPS = Halo.
TPS = Gears
RTS = Halo Wars
Racer = Forza series
Fighter = Killer Instinct
Platformer = Ori
Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
Goty awards have be on useless recently because essentially everybody is sucking the dick of certain genres of games is read if actually looking deeper. That's why I fuck with giantbomb. Where else is into the breach or Tetris effect going to get major goty hype. I swear people don't play many genre of games and try to just vote on the 3 things they played
Imo a racing game, point and click adventure, multiplayer shooter etc can all be goty
The oscars are bull shit for a reason. Don't turn games into that
FPS = Halo.
TPS = Gears
RTS = Halo Wars
Racer = Forza series
Fighter = Killer Instinct
Platformer = Ori
Do you also think that Kojima hasn't produced any games that has captivated the industry's imagination? Has this ship sailed for Kojima as well?Microsoft's first party noticeably hasn't produced a game that has captivated the industry's imagination in such a way for a long time.
There's a massive difference between publishing and developing a game. ME 1 was made (developed) by bioware not MS game studios. It was published by MS game studios until bioware was acquired by EA. Point being, you can not credit MS for any awards ME 1 got. "Award winning publisher" is not a thing.
Do you also think that Kojima hasn't produced any games that has captivated the industry's imagination? Has this ship sailed for Kojima as well?
Sounds like Xbox fans don't need to be worrying about Sony or Nintendo then right? You have more variety and from the games you want.
You still seem to be specifically referring to 3rd person action adventure, i have said Sony are great at this, but they are not so great in other genres.They are better games period. Shooting is only one aspect of a game. That's not a really a controversial argument that UC4 and TLOU are viewed as superior games to Judgement and Gears 4. They were surpassed. Period.
Yeah nothing to brag about. A lot of OK games spread across genres. But if they believe Microsoft is producing better games that's their opinion.
They are better games period. Shooting is only one aspect of a game. That's not a really a controversial argument that UC4 and TLOU are viewed as superior games to Judgement and Gears 4. They were surpassed. Period.
Yeah nothing to brag about. A lot of OK games spread across genres. But if they believe Microsoft is producing better games that's their opinion.
Bad joke is bad.
The gun and traversal mechanics of Uncharted 4 and beyond have far surpassed anything Gears has put out. The verticality of U4's MP alone makes it more interesting.
The online racing in GT Sport is far superior to what the Forza games offer currently. Also Street Fighter V AE is a better experience than KI is IMO. Astro Bot Rescue Mission is the best Platformer I've played this gen hands down, scored higher than Ori did, and won several GOTY awards last year so there is an argument to be made there as well.FPS = Halo.
TPS = Gears
RTS = Halo Wars
Racer = Forza series
Fighter = Killer Instinct
Platformer = Ori
Nah. Neither Sony's nor MS' FPS are worth discussing compared to 3rd parties (COD, Overwatch). Sorry bud, Halo's gone downhill. It might barely edge out KZ now.
Nope. Uncharted's shooting mechanics far surpass Gears'.
I suppose, if we're going to pretend that RTS on console is even significant.
This isn't PS3-era anymore. Driveclub and GT Sport can certainly contend with FM and Horizon (probably surpassed them in sales).
Again, how does this matter when Xbox doesn't have Street Fighter 5? Or a D-pad most people want to use?
Again, nope. Sony has Ratchet, LBP, Astrobot, and the upcoming Dreams.
Then this thread is dumb. If you don't make X game yiu aren't going to have a goty contender. It doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft. If the tide turns and every goty going forward is a MP centric title, it's be dumb to say well Nintendo and Sony haven't had a goty in X years. If slave movies and WW2 movies are what wins oscars, you can't say a movie or studio isn't good because they don't win awardsMaybe that genre just has more potential to appeal to a larger audience which is why Sony and Nintendo invest in 3rd person cinematic action adventure titles so much. Because those games usually get a lot of praise when done right. While GoTY is entirely subjective at the same time you can't be mad at people for gravitating towards that specific genre.
Nah. Neither Sony's nor MS' FPS are worth discussing compared to 3rd parties (COD, Overwatch). Sorry bud, Halo's gone downhill. It might barely edge out KZ now.
Nope. Uncharted's shooting mechanics far surpass Gears'.
I suppose, if we're going to pretend that RTS on console is even significant.
This isn't PS3-era anymore. Driveclub and GT Sport can certainly contend with FM and Horizon (probably surpassed them in sales).
Again, how does this matter when Xbox doesn't have Street Fighter 5? Or a D-pad most people want to use?
Again, nope. Sony has Ratchet, LBP, and the upcoming Dreams.
Surprise surprise. You post a list and it doesn't convince.
The shooting is fantastic, fun, much improved iteration-over-iteration, and like others have said the verticality affords it a lot more dynamic approaches to the gameplay.The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
This is completely wrong. You don't need to bring up falsehoods about Nintendo to try and act like Microsoft doesn't need to change up and rejuvenate their biggest franchises.I feel Nintendo gets a free ride by, people say Microsoft don't reinvent their franchises etc, but except for the latest Zelda Nintendo very rarely do.
Every generation they churn out the same games that hardly differ from the previous version, there are many examples of this.
The accolades for Horizon speak for themselves, but it's only undisputed because GT Sport and DriveClub both launched with problems and the former lacking substantially in single-player content. The next iteration of GT (that is rumoured to be a launch title) will not have these issues. You're also ommitting an incredible amount of games and genres overall to put your point across.Horizon is king in racing. This is undisputed, especially if only comparing exclusives.
Sony has nothing to compare to Halo. 😂Nah. Neither Sony's nor MS' FPS are worth discussing compared to 3rd parties (COD, Overwatch). Sorry bud, Halo's gone downhill. It might barely edge out KZ now.
Nope. Uncharted's shooting mechanics far surpass Gears'.
I suppose, if we're going to pretend that RTS on console is even significant.
This isn't PS3-era anymore. Driveclub and GT Sport can certainly contend with FM and Horizon (probably surpassed them in sales).
Again, how does this matter when Xbox doesn't have Street Fighter 5? Or a D-pad most people want to use?
Again, nope. Sony has Ratchet, LBP, Astrobot, and the upcoming Dreams.
Surprise surprise. You post a list and it doesn't convince.
Also Astro Bot is one of the best platformers of the generation possibly 2nd best after Oddyssey.Nah. Neither Sony's nor MS' FPS are worth discussing compared to 3rd parties (COD, Overwatch). Sorry bud, Halo's gone downhill. It might barely edge out KZ now.
Nope. Uncharted's shooting mechanics far surpass Gears'.
I suppose, if we're going to pretend that RTS on console is even significant.
This isn't PS3-era anymore. Driveclub and GT Sport can certainly contend with FM and Horizon (probably surpassed them in sales).
Again, how does this matter when Xbox doesn't have Street Fighter 5? Or a D-pad most people want to use?
Again, nope. Sony has Ratchet, LBP, and the upcoming Dreams.
Surprise surprise. You post a list and it doesn't convince.
The shooting is fantastic, fun, much improved iteration-over-iteration, and like others have said the verticality affords it a lot more dynamic approaches to the gameplay.
All Nintendo's staple franchises are very similar to the last Mario, Smash Bros, Narion
This is completely wrong. You don't need to bring up falsehoods about Nintendo to try and act like Microsoft doesn't need to change up and rejuvenate their biggest franchises.
The accolades for Horizon speak for themselves, but it's only undisputed because GT Sport and DriveClub both launched with problems and the former lacking substantially in single-player content. The next iteration of GT (that is rumoured to be a launch title) will not have these issues. You're also ommitting an incredible amount of games and genres overall to put your point across.
Nope. Take a breather and we'll talk through it.
Never said I don't like Halo 5: heck I respect it for finally pushing the series to 60fps. But it's not 2007. Halo is probably not even in the Top 5 shooters of today. To me, that makes it not a very strong contender in this argument. I also remember very clearly stating that it barely edges out Killzone.So you don't like Halo 5, so it doesn't count? Are you serious here? Or do yout hink Halo 5 and Shadowfall are just as good as each other? Come on man, don't be that blind. Especially considering Halo 5 is widely praised for it's MP.
I think you're horribly mistaken, especially if you've actually played U4, but maybe try talking specifically how? I already mentioned U4's verticality and traversal as one thing that pushes it over, along with color coded hit markers, headshot markers, and overall smoothness of the controls when moving btwn cover (compared to Gears' stiffness).Uncharted shooting is no where near to gears... But hey, opinions.
I don't think it's undisputed at all. Driveclub has definitely gotten a lot of attention with its post-launch support, particularly on this forum. And like I said, this is PS4 era now. GT Sport's online racing trumps Forza's.Horizon is king in racing. This is undisputed, especially if only comparing exclusives.
Again, mind explaining how? I'm getting a strong sense that you're still stuck in last gen. That might explain why conveniently left out Dreams and especially Astrobot, literally the biggest game-changer to platformers since Mario. And I don't even like the latest Ratchet...but I guess enough people do?The platforming in Ori is leagues ahead of the latest LBP. The latest Ratchet is good thought.
I like how you leave out Astro Bot and compare Ori to Ratchet. Don't even act like b/c Astro Bot is a VR title it doesn't count. It's a better platformer, reviewed better than Ori and won more GOTY awards than Ori did.Sony has nothing to compare to Halo. 😂
Compare Uncharted to Tomb Raider, not Gears.
Ori is better and reviewed higher than Ratchet & Clank.
Forza is a much better series, come on!
Killer Instinct Ultimate Edition reviewed higher than Street Fighter.
I'm convinced.......
Haha. I do like this respond - even though I'm also a huge fan of his (Kojima's) work.
Really didn't want to do list wars, but you really think Uncharted and TLOU has better third person shooting than Gears of War lol?
The shooting in uncharted is by far the worst part of the entire franchise, and in the earlier games it's straight up bad.
I get the feeling he hasn't played Halo, if that is his opinion 😂Haha. I do like this respond - even though I'm also a huge fan of his (Kojima's) work.
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I love the statement how Halo 5 "barely edge out" KZ: Shadow Fall. I guess the same user also thinks Super Mario 3D World "barely edge out" Knack.
Then this thread is dumb. If you don't make X game yiu aren't going to have a goty contender. It doesn't have anything to do with Microsoft. If the tide turns and every goty going forward is a MP centric title, it's be dumb to say well Nintendo and Sony haven't had a goty in X years. If slave movies and WW2 movies are what wins oscars, you can't say a movie or studio isn't good because they don't win awards
Sorry, but this is missing the point. The thread is about Microsoft's output as a publisher. Mass Effect 1 is a game the published/funded, and had staff work on (QA,etc.). It's part of their portfolio.There's a massive difference between publishing and developing a game. ME 1 was made (developed) by bioware not MS game studios. It was published by MS game studios until bioware was acquired by EA. Point being, you can not credit MS for any awards ME 1 got. "Award winning publisher" is not a thing.
I read it as their output as a game developer. Spider man is not a sony game, it's an insomniac game. It was not made (developed) by a sony owned studio.Sorry, but this is missing the point. The thread is about Microsoft's output as a publisher. Mass Effect 1 is a game the published/funded, and had staff work on (QA,etc.). It's part of their portfolio.
Would you say Spider-Man is not a Sony game? Because it absolutely is.
There's a massive difference between publishing and developing a game. ME 1 was made (developed) by bioware not MS game studios. It was published by MS game studios until bioware was acquired by EA. Point being, you can not credit MS for any awards ME 1 got. "Award winning publisher" is not a thing.
I feel Nintendo gets a free ride by, people say Microsoft don't reinvent their franchises etc, but except for the latest Zelda Nintendo very rarely do.
Every generation they churn out the same games that hardly differ from the previous version, there are many examples of this.