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Melee player Leffen is fearful of his safety at events and is contacting a lawyer about ssbmhax's 2.5 hour video and 136 page manifest against him.
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Seeing some posts, I think it speaks a lot if your only post in this topic it's to defend a rotten community. Really no words about of whats going on at all?
This is the culmination of a years long community wide campaign of griefing and harassment against one, albeit controversial, Smash player that has always been handwaved because Leffen used to engage in unsportsmanlike behaviour. It's been going on for a long time, it's a community wide issue, not just one bad apple. And now we have a player that needs to employ a minder everywhere they go for their own safety.
And while we're at it, please stop saying Hax had a mental break. You don't know him or anything about him.
And while we're at it, please stop saying Hax had a mental break. You don't know him or anything about him.
I'm gonna +1 it being honestly kinda shitty just how much of the conversation in this thread has been on using this as an example of why the Smash community doesn't get official Nintendo support. It just comes off like a really fucked-up misplacing of priorities and/or mistreatment of these scenarios in trying to lump them all together.
With shit like everything with Zero and Zack and the Sky house there were webs between pros and events that could be used as an indictment of at least the community's pro scene. With this we're really talking about the actions and behavior of a single man. A prominent individual in the community, sure, but ultimately one man, his one-sided toxic obsession with another, and that combined with radicalization culminating in this literal manifesto.
Maybe we can save dunking on the smelly Smash kids for another day and right now just focus on making sure Hax isn't a literal threat to Leffen or anyone else.
With shit like everything with Zero and Zack and the Sky house there were webs between pros and events that could be used as an indictment of at least the community's pro scene. With this we're really talking about the actions and behavior of a single man. A prominent individual in the community, sure, but ultimately one man, his one-sided toxic obsession with another, and that combined with radicalization culminating in this literal manifesto.
Maybe we can save dunking on the smelly Smash kids for another day and right now just focus on making sure Hax isn't a literal threat to Leffen or anyone else.
Smash is a great fun charming game, how is it that a part of the community is always on the spotlight regarding some of the most aberrant shit in videogames landscape? It is obvious that there are only sone bad apples, but those specific apples make a shit ton of noise, more than any other community.
I'm not aware at all with this particular case, but 136 pages manigest and 2.5 hours video is some sociopath shit over there, I would be really concerned too, tbh.
I'm not aware at all with this particular case, but 136 pages manigest and 2.5 hours video is some sociopath shit over there, I would be really concerned too, tbh.
I'm far from a fan of the competitive scene. There's a lot about that I've disliked for years, well before all of the gross stuff was exposed last year.
But there's a difference between discussing the legitimate issues with the scene, and using this thread, which is highlighting a specific individual's mental health episode, to ride in with thoughtless drive-bys.
Well put.
I feel like there's some irony here because there does need to be a central authority (I thought that the Smash World Tour would partially accomplish this, but then COVID happened) and Nintendo's involvement would be the most obvious and direct way to accomplish that using Capcom as a model, but instead a lot of the responses are saying Nintendo should just wash their hands clean are the exact opposite of that.
I think it stems from the community being young in comparison to others AND compared to todays eSports landscape, a professional structure that would shut down such BS early on. You just don't have this on this scale in any other sports, because there are people that would stop this or you would get fired.
There is no value in fighting toxicity with another form of toxicity. If your only takeaway is "this community is rotten" you aren't helping the thousands of people in it who are trying to make things better, the thousands of people who are struggling because so many others don't care about how much adversity they face. Those kinds of comments are just handwaving the abuse that happens because it happens to those dirty smashers who don't shower, not taking a stand to help those in the community who need it or expressing solidarity with them.
Drive-bys accomplish nothing
Some personal hygiene isn't enough anymore to have some normal Smash competition I see. First it was just a bottle of deoderant, now people need to bring their own security to tournaments holy shit? Wtf is wrong with people?
Yeah, that's a very classic sign of paranoid behavior right there, for him to insinuate Leffen wearing a very common shirt is somehow an attack on him. I legit hope someone close to him urges him to take care of his mental health and/or possibly get checked out, because the legenths and obsessive detailing he's showing regarding Leffen is a very worrying sign, and I don't blame Leffen in the slightest for being concerned about his safety.
And for all the people with the "This is why Nintendo shouldn't support Smash" takes... seriously? smh
A dude is worried about his safety and you're gonna post a drive-by about Nintendo? Come on. If there were a governing body like Nintendo in charge, maybe shit like this wouldn't happen because players doing this would be banned?
it's funny because that statement you just made is eerily similar to one Hax makes in the actual video.
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Well, as i said i don't understand anything.
I will delete my comment, i should keep my mouth shut on matters like this.
Sorry...
...had just some weekend read on here and made a comment without knowledge...
At this point they shouldn't question why Nintendo doesn't want to get tangled up with them.
I just don't want to see anyone else get hurt
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The drive-bys joking about Nintendo being right to ignore the scene are trash, but I don't believe any organizational body would have prevented this specific incident from occurring, which is purely the result of an individual's mental health.
A lot of the takes in this thread are giving me vibes of past threads where people were dunking on Etika while he was in his downward spiral.
I don't understand any of the drivebys here. How do you take a thread about someone who is plainly exhibiting a number of mental health problems as a cudgel against a community of people who just want to play games together. Especially the comments from people actively admitting they know nothing about the scene then casually condemning them all in the process.
Really sad that this site in particular has learned nothing about making really dumb shitposts and drivebys in regards to what appears to be someone going through very bad mental problems
You're an asshole if you're making a dude's public mental breakdown into a yuckfest about the Smash scene.
It's okay if we do it, obviously. We're good people and therefore our actions are always good.
It's okay if we do it, obviously. We're good people and therefore our actions are always good.
I don't know, I went to LAN parties for UT, there were international tournaments, IRC channels, forums etc. Even more so for CS. I don't really see the difference.
A lot of the smash community is trash but this shit is next level. Like this video crosses from toxic community into "this is a really concerning thing that needs to be addressed for people's safety"
Like Jesus that is fucked.
Like Jesus that is fucked.
Is this what its like to have someone absolutely obsessed with taking you down. Like in their mind you're like their final boss. Jesus christ, he needs help before he does something stupid
Jesus christ. Supposed to be just a bunch of kids and folks playing smash bros and having fun. This is an awful fucking community of people.
Leffen's fear is completely justified. Hax sounds seriously delusional.
The thing about the Smash community is that there is no The Smash Community. In the sense that it's so ubiquitous that every single video game event I've gone to has had people playing Smash. It's too patchwork and disparate to self regulate compared to something like Street Fighter and Nintendo wouldn't touch it with someone else's 10 foot long pole. The long and short is that there's no real way to even guarantee that Hax won't be able to attend the same events as Leffen, which is a real problem for his personal safety.
The thing about the Smash community is that there is no The Smash Community. In the sense that it's so ubiquitous that every single video game event I've gone to has had people playing Smash. It's too patchwork and disparate to self regulate compared to something like Street Fighter and Nintendo wouldn't touch it with someone else's 10 foot long pole. The long and short is that there's no real way to even guarantee that Hax won't be able to attend the same events as Leffen, which is a real problem for his personal safety.
Is anybody in the scene reaching and trying to talk to the hax person? The more time goes by the more I think somebody needs to seriously talk to them as they need help.
This isn't something a healthy person would do.
This isn't something a healthy person would do.
There is none. The person you're quoting is just being willfully ignorant. Back in CS days communities formed around servers. You got to know and be friends and have a "community" among server groups/owners and would wage battle against other servers. That's just online, if you were genuinely lucky you'd have people or a group to LAN with.
The Deep Leffen Bot is probably one of the best things ever created tho'
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Yeah someone should call his parents, a friend or someone neutral, because how he made this public could aggravate his mental health, if he starts to realise how wrong he is but it's now written all around the world. Someone should be there to let him land quietly and recover before getting back to reality, or something bad could happen. Without help he's guaranteed to either plunge into a deeper madness or depression.
The problem with a person like hax$, seems like he's so deep in this shyt that you can tell him to get help and he'd either believe he doesn't need it, or flat out refuses to get it. You need family and very close friends damn near dragging him to get help.
This is bad
This is bad
I can promise you your local arcade back in the day had a scene. Fighting game tournaments are just that on a global scale. I don't see what's hard to grasp about fighting games developing a community.
I'm half-way in now and this has to be the most ironic thing I've ever watched. He's basically making an analysis of himself, through and through. The part where he talks about projection is probably the best one because he's just making an example of himself, and with zero self-reflection to boot.
I've watched a couple of vids of Leffen and he seems like a tool. But what did he ever do to this Hax guy in order for him to write an esse, in nasty detail, about how much he hates him?
I've watched a couple of vids of Leffen and he seems like a tool. But what did he ever do to this Hax guy in order for him to write an esse, in nasty detail, about how much he hates him?
Psychosis is no laughing matter.
Unless you're seeing backpacks turn into dogs at work. That can be funny in retrospect.
Unless you're seeing backpacks turn into dogs at work. That can be funny in retrospect.
Absolutely. I think the organization aspect comes in with regards to how to respond to something like this and having a unified ban list that applies across several tournaments would be the best way to ensure the safety of attendants.
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