Well there was an attempted mass shooting at a nightclub only last year. By a neo nazi. And there is more than enough white male violence here that doesn't involve guns. But that is really not the discussion to be had here.
Mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, CA, 13 dead including suspect (Shooter was US Marines vet)
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Well there was an attempted mass shooting at a nightclub only last year. By a neo nazi. And there is more than enough white male violence here that doesn't involve guns. But that is really not the discussion to be had here.
There was at least one person in this very thread assuming the shooter was white and hated women.
So then why is it okay to label all white men as violent for the actions a small minority commit? Genuinely curious
Just because there are a few people saying it, that doesn't mean it's the general consensus. Do you really need evidence to show how the public consciousness is warped to fear POC?
Because there's subtext to it. No one actually believes that white people are inherently violent. The statement is being used to point out a double standard. At least, that's the way I see it.
Which is ridiculous considering the majority of gun murders involve handguns.
Maybe some of the more vocal and less informed gun control proponents can end their myopic focus on scary black rifles and we can try to get better gun control for all firearms. Not that it will help much when gun nuts refuse any form of regulation. God forbid if owning a gun is harder than getting a driver's license.
RIP to the victims. Not much else to be said considering the people in power will never let something like this drive change.
Nothing can be done, said only nation where this regularly happens.
That's a pretty dumb assumption imo. If you don't specify these things, they refer to the entire group.
A lot of Americans tend to talk as if the USA is the only country on the planet so when they talk you need to preface what they say with "in America"
When we're talking in the context of mass shootings why would you not assume we're referring to America exclusively.
That's fine, but you said "No one will say"... and then someone said it.
But whatever, it's not a big deal. I understand what you meant.
Broadly speaking it isn't, but there's an aspect of punching up vs. punching down to consider.
As a white man, when someone makes a generalized statement about me that isn't true, nothing happens to me. My day isn't ruined. My life isn't turned upside down and I'm not ostracized, marginalized, or outright harassed because of it. It doesn't become a social stigma that I have to endure while in line at the Kroger, or while I'm out walking at night in a hoodie. I don't have to worry about being accosted, threatened, or even killed by agents of the State for simply looking the way I do.
None of the above is true for minorities in this country.
Because this is an international platform with discussion participants from everywhere. Come on.
Goddamn man. I'm so sorry. What a dark period for this country. Doesn't seem like the light will ever shine again.
This is a thread about an American event and an American problem.
Please learn to appreciate context and sensitivity.
Not really. When we have discussions on this board about any other group, it's kind of just assumed we're speaking about the USA.
When there's a discussion about how black men are more likely to be killed by white police officers, I don't see anyone mentioning London, Paris or Berlin. There's no need for anyone to get their knickers twisted, use the context of the conversation.
No one's going to like everything. Its just words on a message board, no one is even saying it to your face.
signs like these should be legitimately erected around the country to try and hammer this shit home.
Do we know who the shooter is? What he looks like and what he used?
I hate when OPs dont update their threads
I hate when OPs dont update their threads
I mean I know that. I, a minority, find it not very helpful to throw around blanket statements, because it really doesnt do anything except ostracize the ones that dont fall under that statement. I hate it when I'm compared to gang members by the media, so it isnt hard for me to understand the frustration a white person may feel constantly being grouped with racist, sexist, mass shooters.
In my opinion if theres something we dont like happening to us, why do it to others?
Edit: in the grand scheme of things this really isnt a super huge issue, but I am a proponent of trying to rally as many people to our side/cause, and making others feel like shit, especially important allies, doesnt help.
Yeah there should really be one at least every 10 miles on the highways.
I'd like to see signs that said
(x number of) people were killed by gun violence this year, that is (x number of) 9-11 attacks.
As long as the second amendment exists (and it will likely exist as long as the united states exists) we're pretty much fucked in regards to any sort of gun control.
It doesn't matter the context, a lot of Americans always talk like that. They assume that the USA is the world.
Look at this lying piece of shit saying the shooter was from the ME.
right wing terrorists and their collaborators are the biggest terrorist threat to Americans
e- he deleted the tweet
lol what a fkn clown
You can also use deductive reasoning to figure it out, like most people do.
Suspect Ian Long served in US Marine Corps from August 2008 to March 2013
From CNN's Ryan Browne
The suspected gunman Ian David Long was on active duty with the US Marine Corps from August 2008 to March 2013, according to Department of Defense records.
At a news conference, Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said Long, 28, used a .45 caliber Glock during last night's shooting at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, California.
I get it, and you're right to feel that way; but again, punching up vs punching down. As you said, minorities are already fighting these stereotypes. White people are not. I suppose you could make the argument "well continuing to demonize whites in broad strokes will inevitably lead to negative stereotypes" but I honestly don't think that's likely to happen 1) ever and 2) certainly within my lifetime.
Ah man, this mass shooting hysteria is so, so, so hideous.
As a former gun owner even I can clearly see there need to be utterly drastic measures to at least try to start somewhere to curb this situation. The facts and reality are there, no political affiliation of any kind should be able to avoid and/or spin that.
As a former gun owner even I can clearly see there need to be utterly drastic measures to at least try to start somewhere to curb this situation. The facts and reality are there, no political affiliation of any kind should be able to avoid and/or spin that.
I'm very sorry for your loss, and I hope that you're able to find peace in the wake of this tragedy.
Ian David Long, 29, white, used a Glock 21 (.45 caliber handgun possible with an extended magazine).
Ok thats nice and I generally agree but maybe save that argument for another time and place perhaps? Preferably when we're not dealing with another goddamned mass shooting?
I'm ALL for this! In every fucking city, major road, and literally everywhere. It's beyond fucked up how we've normalized and allowed mass shootings/killings to happen on an every other day basis almost.
Waiting for more information to be released, if it comes to light that there was warning signs, he shouldn't have been allowed to carry any gun.
It's just way too easy to get a gun.
Not at all, I'm a white male and I wouldn't harm anybody.
People with severe mental issues can be scary especially if they are given a weapon and aren't being looked at regularly.