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Marvel Studios' Loki |OT| See You Soon (All of Season 1 is on Disney+)
- Thread starter Neoxon
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It's kind of crazy to think that with how Jonathan Majors was announced by Marvel as being the villain for Quantumania, they seem to have staked a potential end goal (or beginning?) of the character knowing that they had plans for him in Loki, at the very least, and they still managed to keep it a surprise that wasn't leaked.
IIRC, the casting of Majors was reported on by the trades as being the Ant-Man villain and then Feige came out during their investors meeting a couple months later like
all the while knowing they were keeping their He Who Remains reveal close to the vest. They totally could have kept the Ant-Man reveal a secret and just said actually Majors was just cast for Loki, but they planted the flag that Kang is the end goal.
It point to them for sure doing multiple Kang (variant) appearances, so I wonder where else he's going to appear. Loki season 2 seems like a given considering the end with the statue and all the Kang teases and connections in the show now having more canonical meaning that I'm sure we'll get to explore more next season, like Ravonna for sure must know who he is and potentially had a romantic relationship with him, like he found her and plucked her out of time to be with him, or maybe we learn about Qeng enterprises just as another alternate timeline backstory that explains The Void a bit more.
People have also speculated about Rama Tut making an appearance in The Eternals, which would be an interesting seed to plant and a nice cameo pay off for people watching the Disney+ shows. But does he also appear in Multiverse of Madness? It seems like he's a pretty significant factor in the state of the multiverse that, especially if our Loki variant appears in that movie, it would be a bit of an elephant in the room to not acknowledge. I do think MoM will deal with broader implications of the multiverse just branching out of control, and I don't think Kang will be the only multiversal threat to come out of this, but I do wonder how they deal with that. Since Waldron is also writing MoM, there must be some sort of plan, but I just don't see Kang playing a significant role. Maybe that is where we get a Scarlet Centurion or a proper Immortus or maybe they go the Iron Lad route to set him up for the Young Avengers.
IIRC, the casting of Majors was reported on by the trades as being the Ant-Man villain and then Feige came out during their investors meeting a couple months later like
all the while knowing they were keeping their He Who Remains reveal close to the vest. They totally could have kept the Ant-Man reveal a secret and just said actually Majors was just cast for Loki, but they planted the flag that Kang is the end goal.
It point to them for sure doing multiple Kang (variant) appearances, so I wonder where else he's going to appear. Loki season 2 seems like a given considering the end with the statue and all the Kang teases and connections in the show now having more canonical meaning that I'm sure we'll get to explore more next season, like Ravonna for sure must know who he is and potentially had a romantic relationship with him, like he found her and plucked her out of time to be with him, or maybe we learn about Qeng enterprises just as another alternate timeline backstory that explains The Void a bit more.
People have also speculated about Rama Tut making an appearance in The Eternals, which would be an interesting seed to plant and a nice cameo pay off for people watching the Disney+ shows. But does he also appear in Multiverse of Madness? It seems like he's a pretty significant factor in the state of the multiverse that, especially if our Loki variant appears in that movie, it would be a bit of an elephant in the room to not acknowledge. I do think MoM will deal with broader implications of the multiverse just branching out of control, and I don't think Kang will be the only multiversal threat to come out of this, but I do wonder how they deal with that. Since Waldron is also writing MoM, there must be some sort of plan, but I just don't see Kang playing a significant role. Maybe that is where we get a Scarlet Centurion or a proper Immortus or maybe they go the Iron Lad route to set him up for the Young Avengers.
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Watching this has made me wonder.. Does the TVA use some sort of San Dimas Time? How come they're suddenly alerted to something that happened at a specific point in the past and have a certain amount of time to deal with it? If they can time travel then why is there a deadline?
Didn't they mention this in the episode where Loki was still working with Mobius? Something about becoming part of the timeline so you couldn't just keep going back in time over and over until you got it right?
They explain something something time line shifts happen in real time.
Stop thinking of the "timeline" as a road and more as a bushy tree. It's nature is to grow all along the trunk and branches. It's why they use pruning as a term.
When he was removed, it started growing out from the dirt (start of existence), all along the truck, right to the top (the void / end of time). Randomness and Infinity birthing new universes verses and branches and histories from nothingness.
He Who Remained was just keeping the Infinite universes tightly pruned, close to the trunk (a trunk that kept Kangs from rising).
In the comics - the infinity stones only have power in the universe they come from, so if it works the same way here I imagine the TVA is in it's own pocket universe or in the Quantum Realm - so they are probably just inert.
And Runes can prevent magic, which we learned in WandaVision, so he probably had some help setting up runes in the TVA.
It's probably tied to the TVA existing in the 4th dimension. When a variant timeline branches it's not happening in the past, it's happening to the TVA in the "present". They have to stop it before it creates a variant of Kang in 3100.
I would guess that would mean that every nexus event the TVA was pruning happened prior to Nathan's birth.
And the Xmen... there's no way to explain away any Fox property outside Deadpool (who is almost godlike in that aspect) ignoring Thanos deleting 1/2 their ranks and still remaining silent unless they weren't around in this universe. And it skips having to rehash their origin story a third time. Its gonna be muiltversal chaos in Spidey, Strange 2 and Loki, I bet we meet the F4 in Ant-man and they defeat Kang and stablize a timeline in F4 movie, giving us the Xmen, F4 Silver Surfer Deadpool as well for phase 5.
Something I haven't seen brought up here at least, is that Kang's office looks like a Sanctum. I thought that was kinda neat.
It's brilliant that half of the 2021 stuff is setting up the multiverse and the other half the Thunderbolts
In the comics, the Infinity Gems don't work outside of the universe they were created in. It's likely as simple as that.
Similarly, it's probably just as a simple explanation for why Loki's magic doesn't work there. His magic is Asgardian magic and its power, like everything else, is probably drawn from Asgard itself. So if there's no Asgard, there's probably no Asgardian magic.
Yep. Even though they went with "He Who Remains" that is DEFINITELY Immortus in every way that matters.
Really happy with the way this ended. Show was uneven, but definitely fun. And I don't need to know everything about the big bad right now, we will have plenty of opportunity to flesh out the many versions of him that will come.
I'm incredibly excited to see what creative thing's we'll see going forward.
I'm incredibly excited to see what creative thing's we'll see going forward.
They'll be a long build up to a reunion in S2 I'm guessing. Though I feel one or both of them won't survive the whole ordeal.
Hell, think bigger.
We're at the point where DC/Warner is just about broke enough to agree to it
And the Young Avengers. Though I guess now they could have Iron Lad.
Which is hilarious because Majors' breakout role was as an amateur playwright in The Last Black Man in San Francisco
Just saw this tweet and it made me lol:
I absolutely adored WandaVision and thought Loki was so much fun, so needless to say I am so in for Doctor Strange 2.
I absolutely adored WandaVision and thought Loki was so much fun, so needless to say I am so in for Doctor Strange 2.
Warner ain't broke....right?Hell, think bigger.
We're at the point where DC/Warner is just about broke enough to agree to it
Awesome, it didn't occur to me but now it's such a neat connection. Time to rewatch it.
Immortus is Mont with cosmic godhood and an infinite time in isolation lol
I can't believe I sat here and read through all this Sylvie slander. It may not have given her the satisfaction she was looking for, but she was completely right to kill Immortus. #SylvieDidNothingWrong
Damn, that was a great finale. It's really something when a show can make characters sitting down and talking entertaining.
Damn, that was a great finale. It's really something when a show can make characters sitting down and talking entertaining.
It's complicated. AT&T just sold off warner media to discovery for half of what they bought it for three years ago.
AT&T announces $43 billion deal to merge WarnerMedia with Discovery
If approved by regulators, the deal effectively reverses AT&T's years-long plan to combine content and distribution in a vertically integrated company.
Bought for $85 Billion three years ago, sold to Discovery for $43 Billion in a fire sale. They've been doing aggressively weird things on DC's print side also- none of which is good. Marvel is eating DC alive pretty much everywhere at this point.
How do we come to THAT conclusion? Sylvie royally messed up more than anyone could possibly mess up- and you could see on her face that she KNEW this as soon as He Who Remains declined to beg for his life before she killed him. Her whole theory was "he's lying" and she was very, very wrong.
It's complicated. AT&T just sold off warner media to discovery for half of what they bought it for three years ago.
AT&T announces $43 billion deal to merge WarnerMedia with Discovery
If approved by regulators, the deal effectively reverses AT&T's years-long plan to combine content and distribution in a vertically integrated company.www.cnbc.com
Bought for $85 Billion three years ago, sold to Discovery for $43 Billion in a fire sale. They've been doing aggressively weird things on DC's print side also- none of which is good. Marvel is eating DC alive pretty much everywhere at this point.
I was under the impression that that was just an asset reshuffle, are they really doing that bad to drop nearly 50% of it's value?
This is pretty much the biggest reason why I wish the DC Cinematic Universe would have properly succeeded and got off on the right foot. The DC films aren't really anything to scoff at exactly, they have some decent ones and they are obviously trying, but it's definitely majorly flawed. I feel in a Universe where the DC Cinematic Universe was at least close to on par with how Marvel is handling theirs, we could have gotten an insanely hype, beyond Endgame level cultural event some day. But now it just kinda feels like Marvel won't want to touch DC with a ten foot pole in terms of their film universes.Hell, think bigger.
We're at the point where DC/Warner is just about broke enough to agree to it
He who remains, Immortus, Kang the conq all variants of a character named Nathan Richards.
Lets assume he who remains is dead, the variant in charge of the TVA is quite obviously Kang, so since he is the only one left for now......well be calling him Kang.
Even then a DC buyout by Disney should not be allowed.It's complicated. AT&T just sold off warner media to discovery for half of what they bought it for three years ago.
AT&T announces $43 billion deal to merge WarnerMedia with Discovery
If approved by regulators, the deal effectively reverses AT&T's years-long plan to combine content and distribution in a vertically integrated company.
Bought for $85 Billion three years ago, sold to Discovery for $43 Billion in a fire sale. They've been doing aggressively weird things on DC's print side also- none of which is good. Marvel is eating DC alive pretty much everywhere at this point.
TBF, she's letting the universe be the universe again and allowing the natural order / chaos / RNG generator take over again.
Maybe HHR wasn't telling the whole truth. Maybe he was protecting his interests all along.
I think Sylvie's realization isn't that HHR was telling the truth, more than Heroic Loki was. Killing HHR didn't bring her closure, or repair her trauma.
Not an asset reshuffle. Warner is being sold lock, stock, and barrel. AT&T is selling a lot of stuff, and it probably has a lot more to do with AT&T's debt load more than DC specifically. But looking at DC's viable properties at this point and how they are performing, it's hard to argue their IP is anywhere close to being as valuable as Marvel is right now and Discovery would probably like a return on that investment sooner rather than later.
DC would benefit HUGELY from a marvel crossover right now (print OR film) but the benefit to Marvel is a lot less clear.
Nobody is talking about a buyout. That wouldn't even make sense, Marvel Studios would be competing against itself constantly with superhero stuff. The original Marvel vs. DC and JLA/Avengers came about because both companies really needed the revenue more than anything else.
Sylvie was definitely right, in that the endgame here isn't going to be "we need to reestablish a dictatorship that prevents a multiverse." It's going to be "let's figure out a way to defeat Kang and stop him from causing a multiversal war," which they're going to do, and that starts with the first step of killing off He Who Remains. Jumping the gun, sure, but sometimes you gotta be the first one to jump.
(I mean that's probably going to ultimately result in Incursions but one problem at a time!)
(I mean that's probably going to ultimately result in Incursions but one problem at a time!)