I hope Sony doesn't go this way, too. At least their first party games have always had cutting edge graphics and I hope this trend continues. I don't want just higher resolution and better framerate, I want better graphics.
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Kotaku: Microsoft Is Still Planning A Cheaper, Disc-Less Next-Gen Xbox
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Because this is going to be a box that sells for like $250 and not $500?
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Removing controller and disk drive knocks ~$45 wholesale. That wouldn't even reduce the price by $30 for the consumer. Lockhart would have to sell at profit, unless MS decides to make scarlett the profitable premium SKU.
These people just bought their xbone/ps4 last week. They won't be picking up next gen within the 1st year or two.
'terrible for consumers' by offering consumers a cheaper version? Get outta here with that elitist BS.
The worrying part is that it says ps4 pro level of gpu performance . That's not great
Looking at spec suggested i don't think so. The difference in performance would be to big between the two platforms. Xbox 360, PS4 , PS2 were able to generate comparable performance to their peers at the same price or even less. This is not the case , at least based on what Kotaku reported.
It will sell like cakes... most people just don´t care about the latest and greatest.
I have see a lot of people buying the SAD version of Xbox One S, this latest days, just because is cheap and because of Gamepass... money talks, and for a casual consumer, that´s what counts...
I have see a lot of people buying the SAD version of Xbox One S, this latest days, just because is cheap and because of Gamepass... money talks, and for a casual consumer, that´s what counts...
This is horrible news for consumers. Microsoft is sabotaging multi-platform game performance and guaranteeing that they won't be at the same level of fidelity as their competition.
You literally have game developers being negative about it yet random Era poster is confident it won't be a problem.
So exclusives will have to be developed with the weaker version in mind first, I guess the stronger Xbox will just be for higher resolutions etc
I suspect it will be a Switch like situation with the docked vs portable specs. Same CPU speed, weaker GPU, etc.
Basically I suspect we're looking at a 1080p console and a 4K console. The fundamentals of the game will not be affected in any notable way.
Basically I suspect we're looking at a 1080p console and a 4K console. The fundamentals of the game will not be affected in any notable way.
The XoX is more powerful than the PS4 Pro, it makes no sense for the next Xbox to be similar to the Pro. And they wouldnt leave the cheaper option without the SSD either.
The 1440p and 4k difference seems fine, maybe they could find a solution for upscaling to 4k in the cheaper version. Same specs all around but with a smaller SSD, discless and a less powerful GPU are probably enough differences for at least 50 dollar difference in price.
The 1440p and 4k difference seems fine, maybe they could find a solution for upscaling to 4k in the cheaper version. Same specs all around but with a smaller SSD, discless and a less powerful GPU are probably enough differences for at least 50 dollar difference in price.
Im not sure why so many seem to think this, isnt this basically what happens with PC development they scale up and down and yet it has zero impact for those with the top notch machines 0.o
I like the SSD, but the same as the Pro? The Pro has issues hitting 4k. Though Lockhart is supposed to have a better CPU.... hm.
CPU better than xbox one x, GPU on a level with PS4 Pro.
What I wonder is... does that mean no raytracing in Lockhart, for example? Or will it be feature-complete but differ in performance?
The article also states that MS isn't aiming for 4K with this Lockhart. Its a 1080p machine.
Yep. Bigger picture it makes sense. SAD performance drives that home.
Chances are very high for a zen2 part. Possible not as highly clocked, but same architecture and 8 cores.
The article said that the target is Lockhart: 1440p/60 and Anaconda 4K/60. I don't know if you just drop down the teraflop number of a GPU but keep the rest of the system the same if it will scale linearly like that.
If Lockhart helps achieve the 60fps dream (for the more powerful consoles), I'm totally down for it.
Yeah they scale up and down on PC but since weak ass current consoles are a baseline, you can barely tell the difference from Maxed out multiplatform games and same games running on console settings.
Having a powerful baseline is super important
Ah well that makes sense. Depending on price, could be a really great Gamepass machine.
They get faster framerates or higher resolution, but they don't get the possibility of what could be if a game was built from scratch around that level of spec. That's the trade off. We can argue til the cows come home about whether a baseline makes a difference or not to games you end up with - clearly some people, and some devs, think it does.
Hopefully it's the same CPU, fullstop.
nah whats ridicoulous is you saying it would be bad for consumers with a cheaper alternative. I don't think you know how it is to be poor. How about those consumers. A lot of people would buy a cheaper and weaker console to play games. You should probably speak for yourself. Not everyone wants a premium console and cares about higher resolution and fps.
Well, here's one game developer's take:
Nah, I won't get out of here "with this elitist bullshit". This is a ridiculous assertion. Has every other of the countless prior generations been elitist with the initial single console offering? The whole idea of consoles is that they are low barrier to entry. Having one unified offering is what is able to afford this. Splitting the base from the outset will have the opposite effect.
And I will say it again. The gulf in price between the consoles will be much smaller (say $400 vs $500), but will hamper game development for the entire generation....
This is some bullshit.
I'd rather have one well-priced offering from each MS and Sony at the outset...with a premium model halfway through the generation. That is a better model that won't handicap the generation from the outset.
I suppose I'm a little confused here. The concern is that Lockhart will hold back development ambition, but kits aren't even out to anybody yet...are they?
Game development takes place on PCs, and tested on PCs...and with Xbox basically already being a PC, what's the concern about holding things back? As long as the CPU is on par then how difficult will it really be to port games up or down? How much is actually going to be lost here?
People keep saying how much easier it is to port now more than ever. Why not wait and see what the specs are and hear from actual devs on what their experience is with the kits? The panic seems premature.
Shhhhh it ruins the narrative
Game development takes place on PCs, and tested on PCs...and with Xbox basically already being a PC, what's the concern about holding things back? As long as the CPU is on par then how difficult will it really be to port games up or down? How much is actually going to be lost here?
People keep saying how much easier it is to port now more than ever. Why not wait and see what the specs are and hear from actual devs on what their experience is with the kits? The panic seems premature.
Shhhhh it ruins the narrative
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The people that are acting like this'll hamper next gen are dumb. This is just closer to a PC model in terms of different graphical settings, albeit with closed hardware which'll make it easier to optimize. Maybe it'll matter 6 years down the line but not anytime soon.
This is a really neat idea to get more people onto next gen sooner. I assume this means the higher end consoles will probably be pricier.
This is a really neat idea to get more people onto next gen sooner. I assume this means the higher end consoles will probably be pricier.
Lockheart won't be for 4k. This'll be a 1080p console most of the time imo.
Build a screen into it with a nice battery and call it the Vita 2.
I'd buy that alongside Anaconda day one.
I'd buy that alongside Anaconda day one.
This is going to fuck over a lot of third party developers isn't it? Isn't this asking too much out of developers simply because it's just way too much work to handle with basically creating games for 3 consoles with 3 sets of different specs along with asking for all 3 console games to perform at a high level? This is all seems a bit much which personally makes me wonder if we're gonna see an even bigger increase on PS5 Third Party Exclusives simply because developers might want to avoid putting in the work for 3 different games all to release at the same time along with the work load of getting them to run stable. I don't know if you can answer this, but wouldn't this also increase crunch time in game development which is something that we've been against all gen long?
Because I have yet to use my Xbox One disc drive since 2013...paid for something that was never used and never will be used. Why should I be forced to by something I'm not going to use.
Because the game developer would have more work to do...that's why they would be negative. So for the end user, no it won't be a problem.