Should have set the movie in Vegas and just plagiarize Casino wholesale
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Joker 2 posts the worst second weekend drop of any comic book movie
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Should have set the movie in Vegas and just plagiarize Casino wholesale
The posts here keep saying it's a musical. I truly hated the first Joker and kind of confused as to how it got so popular so Joker 2 being trashed on is just a lil treat for me. Everyone's mad and I'm just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I didn't mean to suggest that it was review-bombed. I was just pointing out that the two works did not replicate the winning formula of their predecessor, but instead took the story in a completely different direction. Taking risks and making controversial choices will always upset a portion of the fan base, regardless of the quality of the work.
Me and my wife didn't go see this despite loving Joker 1 and musicals. It just feels like a weird mix we aren't interested in.
Ooooh the American is on there. By god that was like one long Nespresso ad in the way it was shot. Truly horrific.
People blaming this on it being a "musical", as if there are no financially successful musicals. Even recently, you have something like Wonka that did very well "despite" being a musical.
The thing with Joker 2 isn't that it's a musical, it's that it's a bad musical and just an overall bad movie. Nothing happens in it, even the musical sequences that should/could be exciting are drab and dull. Most of the movie is simply spent talking about events that happened in the original and in the scenes where it's not doing that it's just Arthur sitting around doing nothing in prison or getting prison raped.
That's the problem, it's a deeply uninteresting movie where nothing happens and that has nothing to say. A movie that directly calls out fans of the first movie as losers. It seems deliberately made to piss off people who looked forward to this and bore the rest. Nothing about that has to do with the fact that now and then Joker and Harley sing a song. It's just an altogether baffling movie.
The thing with Joker 2 isn't that it's a musical, it's that it's a bad musical and just an overall bad movie. Nothing happens in it, even the musical sequences that should/could be exciting are drab and dull. Most of the movie is simply spent talking about events that happened in the original and in the scenes where it's not doing that it's just Arthur sitting around doing nothing in prison or getting prison raped.
That's the problem, it's a deeply uninteresting movie where nothing happens and that has nothing to say. A movie that directly calls out fans of the first movie as losers. It seems deliberately made to piss off people who looked forward to this and bore the rest. Nothing about that has to do with the fact that now and then Joker and Harley sing a song. It's just an altogether baffling movie.
It directly calls chuds who championed Joker fucking losers (hence, why the chuds hate this) and the movie itself is just a huge bore where nothing at all happens (hence, why the rest also hates this).
I can't imagine calling it anything but a musical, personally. They start singing like two minutes into the movie and they don't stop until almost the end of the movie.
That's goving this way too much credit lol.
It merely says at a couple of moments that the people who worship Joker are idiots. It's not really a big anti-incel movie.
I agree, I wouldn't call it not a musical, however I do think it's a really bad musical. In a regular musical the songs being sung tell us something about the plot or the characters, like there's no way you can imagine the musical without the songs as they are a crucial part of how the movie's narrative is structured.
That is not the case in Joker 2. The songs feel superfluous, simply added because they thought it would be funny if they sang songs now and then. There's nothing communicated in the songs that you don't also learn from stuff they simply say. If you cut all the songs from Joker 2 you would still have essentially the same movie.
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There was a film called Joker. They could have vaguely followed that.
It's pretty wild, if there ever was an argument for executive meddling it's called Joker 2.
I seriously think this movie will be cult classic that people judged too harshly at release.
It does what it wanna do very good , people are just mad that it isn't joker 2 electric boogalao or people already hated joker 1 without seeing it.
It's about Arthur dealing with joker persona and how troubled person he is, how that fame etc was never about him but this shadow persona. It's shot well, has great music and acting it. I don't get what's so bad about it
Marvels,morbius,thor4,etc are all worse than this
It does what it wanna do very good , people are just mad that it isn't joker 2 electric boogalao or people already hated joker 1 without seeing it.
It's about Arthur dealing with joker persona and how troubled person he is, how that fame etc was never about him but this shadow persona. It's shot well, has great music and acting it. I don't get what's so bad about it
Marvels,morbius,thor4,etc are all worse than this
Nah, they couldn't possibly predict this. Last time a similar things happened for WB, thinking of the Snyder cut, the "unhinged" version was so much better received than the committee one. And joker 1 was an immense success (which I still don't understand). Letting the creator do their thing and trust them to know what they're doing was a good decision. It's not their fault the creator is fucking shit lol
And even with a crappy movie, the initial viewer numbers could never have expected to be this low, since word of mouth usually needs some time as well. This is very unprecedented.
I rather see more movies reaching for being something special in the future than less of them.
I still haven't seen Joker 2, but I did see Terrifier 3 today. Missing a DC film is unlike me. It's actually playing in IMAX 70MM near me so maybe I'll go next weekend while I still have the chance. I like to make up my own mind about things but the bad word of mouth was so bad that I just lost what little interest I had.
Scorsese actually made a musical after Taxi Driver. New York, New York with Liza Minnelli. Don't think it has much similarities with Joker 2.
My god, plenty of people asking to fire James Gunn for this...
I guess that between the lines he basically already said that.
honestly, acecredible job, todd phillips, you pissed off warner brothers, joker fans, comic book fans, comic book movie fans, like genuinely well done, that seems like something you have to have been trying to do and you went and goddamn did it, and kudos for it, they all deserved it
he'll get another job doing the smaller movies he made his name with, he'll be fine
he'll get another job doing the smaller movies he made his name with, he'll be fine
No. It's a terrible movie.
It also doesn't really explore the toxic Joker worship in any meaningful way. They DO bring it up , but it's so throw away. Sandwiched between courtroom scenes recapping the last movie and terrible musicals with licensed music.
A complete waste of time and it's not the "misunderstood, clever takedown" that its fans claim it is.
Todd Phillips is actually a terrible writer and director if he doesn't have someone else's homework to copy, and his track record with sequels is even worse
Road Trip was a hit and not a sequel?Todd Phillips is actually a terrible writer and director if he doesn't have someone else's homework to copy, and his track record with sequels is even worse
The thread titles is misleading, it's one of the worst second weeks for ANY MOVIE not just comic book movies
Road Trip would not have been a hit if it cost $200 million to make. As for sequels...
Um... Star wars would not have been a hit if it cost 400m to make either, what a pointless statement lolRoad Trip would not have been a hit if it cost $200 million to make. As for sequels...
Road trip made 7.5x it's budget, that's a massive hit, it's got nothing to do with anything.
Hangover 2 made more than 1 and they ALL made money, Empire made less than Star Wars.
I'm using Star Wars to show how nothing your points are here.
Did Phillips kick your dog or something?
You can have whatever opinion you want about his films, and it's perfectly fair to laugh at how bad Joker 2 is bombing. But the whole idea of 'movie jail' and 'failing up' is definitely premature. Todd Phillips is still very much in the box office positive for his career.
| Film | Budget in million USD | World Wide Boxoffice in million USD |
| Road Trip | 16 | 120 |
| Old School | 24 | 87 |
| Starsky & Hutch | 60 | 170 |
| School for Scoundrels | 35 | 24 |
| The Hangover | 35 | 469 |
| Due Date | 65 | 211 |
| The Hangover 2 | 80 | 587 |
| The Hangover 3 | 103 | 362 |
| War Dogs | 50 | 86 |
| Joker | 55 | 1079 |
| Joker: Folie à Deux | 200 | 165 |
| Total | 723 | 3360 |
It wasn't all bad. It gave us this scene, which me and my friends doubled over laughing at back at the time.Todd Phillips is actually a terrible writer and director if he doesn't have someone else's homework to copy, and his track record with sequels is even worse
View: https://youtu.be/HNfciDzZTNM
Exactly!! Joker will never make money with marketing costs, but he makes bank and nearly always has.
"Can we finally be honest about Joker 2?"
"Hot take: Joker 2 was good"
"I'm fucking tired of the discourse and agenda against Joker 2"
"Joker, 3 screenshots"
"Which movie was more underrated? Fern Gully or Joker 2"
"I can't believe audiences slept on Joker 2"
whoops, hit enter a decade early
"Hot take: Joker 2 was good"
"I'm fucking tired of the discourse and agenda against Joker 2"
"Joker, 3 screenshots"
"Which movie was more underrated? Fern Gully or Joker 2"
"I can't believe audiences slept on Joker 2"
whoops, hit enter a decade early
Something tells me those conversations will be fairly limited due to nobody actually seeing this movie.
What's surprising to me is that nobody forced them to make it a musical. I'm sure Zaslav would have loved a safe Joker 1.5
It had to have been a true creative choice that is also embarrassed of itself. They didn't HAVE to do it 😭
Sure, but is that the lesson studios will learn? That's my point.
It's certainly more entertaining than a lot of other comic book movies in recent years. It's well shot, Joaquin puts his all in it, and has some killer set design.
i was waiting for this
Y'all remember when some people were saying this was the best shot ever and this film was going to be peak cinema for a week after the first trailer dropped?
Yeah... that tone changed fast. Didn't it? All those people looking like absolute clowns now.
If its 84.1%, that puts it right between classics such as Jane Got a Gun and One Piece Red at 8th.
Life is a joke.
They were just excited for a film.
Y'all remember when some people were saying this was the best shot ever and this film was going to be peak cinema for a week after the first trailer dropped?
Yeah... that tone changed fast. Didn't it? All those people looking like absolute clowns now.
apologies if i'm missing something, but i think the point is that movies with women, POC, and queer people can underperform for a lot of different reasons too, but in those situations the presence of women, POC, and queer people is what always gets "blamed".