Going forward it needs to be due process, always.The entire world basically ostracized Depp based on unverified claims by his ex-wife because she's a woman... and even now with all the evidence (as in photos, eye witness testimony, audio tapes) proving otherwise, we still have people claiming both sides and let's not jump to conclusions.
I'm becoming increasingly wary of people with agendas to follow.
Certain circles are fully behind Heard, still.The entire world basically ostracized Depp based on unverified claims by his ex-wife because she's a woman... and even now with all the evidence (as in photos, eye witness testimony, audio tapes) proving otherwise, we still have people claiming both sides and let's not jump to conclusions.
I'm becoming increasingly wary of people with agendas to follow.
No one has provided video of this yet, if she had said it it would probably be everywhere by now...Is it true her opening statement was somewhat of a mimic to a scene from Talented Mr. Ripleey? "the sun shines on you" quote.
Depp would need to win something legal before they feel its "safe" to paint Heard as the abuser, especially given the current era we're in.
Is it true her opening statement was somewhat of a mimic to a scene from Talented Mr. Ripleey? "the sun shines on you" quote.
A simple rebuttal would be the new evidence of AH's allegedly 3.5m donation to ACLU and LA Children's hospital is actually 0.35m, and AH timed the op-ed aligning with Aquaman's premiere, which was not brought up in the UK trial.I fucking hate how all these Twitter progressives are trying to cite the UK trial as "infallible proof" of Depp's guilt when there were so many issues with the court case.
Funny how the Justice System is suddenly infallible for Twitter progressives when it supports their cause. Guess that means that nobody should ever dispute a court ruling. Wonder it that mentality applies to the Rittenhouse trial or the US Supreme Court?
I'm just tired of the hypocrisy.
Twitter progressives, aka terminally online people will literally take any stance as long as it's different than the one that "libz" or just most people are taking. You'll see they are the same people saying that Ukraine needs to just surrender to Russia.I fucking hate how all these Twitter progressives are trying to cite the UK trial as "infallible proof" of Depp's guilt when there were so many issues with the court case.
Funny how the Justice System is suddenly infallible for Twitter progressives when it supports their cause. Guess that means that nobody should ever dispute a court ruling. Wonder it that mentality applies to the Rittenhouse trial or the US Supreme Court?
I'm just tired of the hypocrisy.
I mean its not just the usual Twitter suspects that are constantly holding water for Heard. There are a bunch of left aligned content creators who are refuse to look past the UK court case and constantly use the verdict as a sign of Depp's guilt. It's almost as if they are afraid of "losing" the culture war regarding #MeToo and #BelieveWomen that they refuse to concede on anything.a big criticism of this trial is the spectacle of it all. While I agree that that's obviously jarring and leaves a bad taste in your mouth, i think it's pretty much an inevitability. it was always going to be the case in a world where celebrities are treated in the way that they are.
Twitter progressives, aka terminally online people will literally take any stance as long as it's different than the one that "libz" or just most people are taking. You'll see they are the same people saying that Ukraine needs to just surrender to Russia.
I mean its not just the usual Twitter suspects that are constantly holding water for Heard. There are a bunch of left aligned content creators who are refuse to look past the UK court case and constantly use the verdict as a sign of Depp's guilt. It's almost as if they are afraid of "losing" the culture war regarding #MeToo and #BelieveWomen that they refuse to concede on anything.
The entire world basically ostracized Depp based on unverified claims by his ex-wife because she's a woman... and even now with all the evidence (as in photos, eye witness testimony, audio tapes) proving otherwise, we still have people claiming both sides and let's not jump to conclusions.
I'm becoming increasingly wary of people with agendas to follow.
But T-800 don't you know that "Innocent until Proven Guilty" only applies to the court system? It has nothing to do with the "Court of Public Opinion".I've come up with a saying that I hope catches on. Innocent until proven guilty. Take accusations seriously? Absolutely. Listen? Of course.
Nah I agree with you. I'm basically saying that plenty of people have tried to justify dogpiling of individuals (both famous and non-famous) by stating that the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" only applies to court cases, and therefore any accusations or statements made against an individual can automatically be 100% assumed as true because of trends or something. I've seen the exact statement I made in my previous post repeated countless times in this forum in response to plenty of accusations, some which turn out to be true, but others that turn out to be false or overexaggerated.But people are stupid. I get what you're saying though but I don't think the current catch phrases are helpful.
I'll leave it at that. Appreciate your response though.
Nah I agree with you. I'm basically saying that plenty of people have tried to justify dogpiling of individuals (both famous and non-famous) by stating that the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" only applies to court cases, and therefore any accusations or statements made against an individual can automatically be 100% assumed as true because of trends or something. I've seen the exact statement I made in my previous post repeated countless times in this forum in response to plenty of accusations, some which turn out to be true, but others that turn out to be false or overexaggerated.
This language is toxic towards Male abuse victims who are in this thread. Stop it.I'm not saying she's not lying but do all you believe johnny is some angel that hasn't been abusive at all?
That was from him restraining her from continuing to him. She also never had a broken nose.I watched this pretty much from the week since Depp was on stand. And while i'm not in any side, Depp clearly seems more believable during his testimony than Amber. Even evidence wise, he def have some worthy proofs and etc.
Amber is been a bit of a show off (if i can call that) and i think that isn't help her either. From the number of relates she tolds, the evidence attached are a bit to low, no? Even Johnny got witnesses telling about bruises and etc. While we didn't reach that point yet for amber. Both was toxic to each other, but Johnny seems like was mostly verbal wise.
I Said mostly because if i'm not missing, have a audio of him telling he headbutted her. She tells on that like "you broke my nose" and he tells "i hit you in the forehead" something around this lines.
I don't how this going to unroll from now on but i don't see many chances on Ambers side. but anyway, i'm not an expert, just my 2cents.
*Sorry for any mistakes, english isn't my native.
Could be coincidental but who knows at this point honestly, she is after all a habitual liar.
I am not a fan of either part but the Internet and especially YouTube is pretty much on the side of Depp, because haha he is so funny. I don't think he is though. Nothing of what I have heard from either part makes me go "hell yeah, let's go team Johnny!" like reading the Internet would suggest. I think both are not good human beings with all the alcohol and drugs and stuff.
I don't know how he can win this though. Wouldn't it need the jury to be sure that everything she said in the article was a lie? Even if there is some small doubt about what really happened would make him lose this case I would think? It will be really interesting to hear some people that actually back her up (or not).
I am strangely fascinated by all of that. It's like a car crash you can't look away from.
Social media opinion wont matter at the end the day. It's wether Amber lied about her accusations.I am not a fan of either part but the Internet and especially YouTube is pretty much on the side of Depp, because haha he is so funny. I don't think he is though. Nothing of what I have heard from either part makes me go "hell yeah, let's go team Johnny!" like reading the Internet would suggest. I think both are not good human beings with all the alcohol and drugs and stuff.
I don't know how he can win this though. Wouldn't it need the jury to be sure that everything she said in the article was a lie? Even if there is some small doubt about what really happened would make him lose this case I would think? It will be really interesting to hear some people that actually back her up (or not).
I am strangely fascinated by all of that. It's like a car crash you can't look away from.
I am not a fan of either part but the Internet and especially YouTube is pretty much on the side of Depp, because haha he is so funny. I don't think he is though. Nothing of what I have heard from either part makes me go "hell yeah, let's go team Johnny!" like reading the Internet would suggest. I think both are not good human beings with all the alcohol and drugs and stuff.
I don't know how he can win this though. Wouldn't it need the jury to be sure that everything she said in the article was a lie? Even if there is some small doubt about what really happened would make him lose this case I would think? It will be really interesting to hear some people that actually back her up (or not).
I am strangely fascinated by all of that. It's like a car crash you can't look away from.
You'd go well with the folks who claim George Floyd was no angel.I'm not saying she's not lying but do all you believe johnny is some angel that hasn't been abusive at all?
Shame the places where most people will read or see anything on this case are seemingly firm on Heard's side.Makes me sick knowing we have to sit out at least ten days now, before any kind of justice comes up to rip off her testimony and to expose all of her inconsistencies and blatant lies she put out in the world right now.
I really, REALLY, hope cross-examination is going heavy on her and is ripping apart every detail. At least social media is going full force on her already, disproving a lot of her statements. There's SO much inconsistency, it's unbelievable. Her photos in particular, compared with her appearences only one day after, are hilarious. I'm feeling really sorry for all, who experienced DV and put out their stories (even with pictures of them), showing their injuries. Compare these to AH and it's nothing less than laughable on AH side.
If that's your take after hours and hours of watching then you need to take a time out and examine your biases. Best of luck to you.Edit: Never mind what I posted before. I should continue stay in the Gaming Forum. I stand by my take that after the hours and hours I have watch this trial, I can not side with either of them.
I'm not saying she's not lying but do all you believe johnny is some angel that hasn't been abusive at all?
He based his verdict on family members of his working for The Sun, which Depp claimed help facilitate the "wife beater" allegations Heard made.what was the evidence on which the judge in the UK trial based his verdict? Only Heard's testimony?
I assume that the same evidence/witness statements (if there are any) would have been submitted to this trial so far but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Well good riddance. You're standing by a take blaming a victim and then running cause you can't even defend it. It's ironic that you think that is standing by it. If you just take a shit and leave did you stand by it? Cause its pretty much all you didEdit: Never mind what I posted before. I should continue stay in the Gaming Forum. I stand by my take that after the hours and hours I have watch this trial, I can not side with either of them.
Fuck outa here. No one is saying hes an Angel the dudes had drug and alcohol problems sure, has he been abusive? Verbally it seems, its yet to be shown by Amber Heard's side if it has been outside of retaliation after being the subject of abuse from her.I'm not saying she's not lying but do all you believe johnny is some angel that hasn't been abusive at all?
No the reality of the situation here is one of these people has been shown via evidence that they have cut their partners finger off, shit on their bed, and physically abused them on multiple occasions while the other has been shown to be drunk, high, avoiding conflict, yelling and assaulting furniture.
I think the most damning and maybe there's a reason why they're not included in any of the evidences yet, but if you check all interviews with Depp's past relationships - no one has any allegation of any sort of him being violent, in fact outright rejecting the notion that he's an abuser.Has any eye witness corroborated Amber Heard's accounts of Depp's violence? I'm trying to keep an open mind here, but it seems like there's a lot of fire with no smoke, if that makes sense. Had Depp been abusive, surely someone else would have attested to that from personal experience. Maybe not, I don't know.