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Johnny Depp v Amber Heard's defamation trial is underway [UPDATE: Verdict reached. Johnny Depp won.]
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Certain circles are fully behind Heard, still.
The current front-page of /r/Deuxmoi (big gossip subreddit) has an article on Heard's "riveting testimony." Fucking gross.
I tried to watch some of it today, but her testimony felt insincere to me, almost acting level, so I decided I should just read about it not watch it lol
Is it true her opening statement was somewhat of a mimic to a scene from Talented Mr. Ripleey? "the sun shines on you" quote.
No one has provided video of this yet, if she had said it it would probably be everywhere by now...
I started watching the trial open minded, years prior when first heard stories thought Depp was awful person and I had at least expected Amber Heard defense to have something much more substantial, the way I kind of see it Depp's got a far greater hurdle in that Heard to me only really needs to prove far less with how severe the abuse was like one incident, but I don't really see that so far. Depps a troubled person sure but I'm leaning far more towards Depp because the audio tapes, depp's finger, most of all police saw nothing significant whether it's injuries or no fight and also the testimony of the Expert witness of Dr Curry. I think expert witness kind of for one side or the other but how much one leans towards the other I think makes the difference and I think Dr Hughes went too far in the defense of Amber with the gender biased language I think several experts watching it even pointed that out, She never saw anything first hand but reporting what Amber told her. That to me was enough to rule her out. The other aspect which was the knife gift how they were distancing themselves from it, this was during the time abuse was alleged to have happened. All the talk about being hit in the head, blood splattering but no photographs of the scene, or her face which should have been one of the easier things to take a picture of. There's just so much events described but really nothing backing them so far. No video, no audio no picture, not a witness so far especially when from what I understand the tapes comes from Amber Heard? So it's not like she was not documenting these events. Just that so far they seem to prove the opposite?
One would hope, but almost every time Gary Oldman is nominated for an award there will be at least one "news" site talking about how he was arrested for domestic abuse and shouldn't be praised, even though he was cleared of any wrong doing and awarded sole custody of his kids, who now older have asked for websites to stop. They still do though.
The person who posted that was banned for derailing the thread with unverified information, so no. It isn't true.
I fucking hate how all these Twitter progressives are trying to cite the UK trial as "infallible proof" of Depp's guilt when there were so many issues with the court case.
Funny how the Justice System is suddenly infallible for Twitter progressives when it supports their cause. Guess that means that nobody should ever dispute a court ruling. Wonder it that mentality applies to the Rittenhouse trial or the US Supreme Court?
I'm just tired of the hypocrisy.
Funny how the Justice System is suddenly infallible for Twitter progressives when it supports their cause. Guess that means that nobody should ever dispute a court ruling. Wonder it that mentality applies to the Rittenhouse trial or the US Supreme Court?
I'm just tired of the hypocrisy.
A simple rebuttal would be the new evidence of AH's allegedly 3.5m donation to ACLU and LA Children's hospital is actually 0.35m, and AH timed the op-ed aligning with Aquaman's premiere, which was not brought up in the UK trial.
a big criticism of this trial is the spectacle of it all. While I agree that that's obviously jarring and leaves a bad taste in your mouth, i think it's pretty much an inevitability. it was always going to be the case in a world where celebrities are treated in the way that they are.
Twitter progressives, aka terminally online people will literally take any stance as long as it's different than the one that "libz" or just most people are taking. You'll see they are the same people saying that Ukraine needs to just surrender to Russia.
I mean its not just the usual Twitter suspects that are constantly holding water for Heard. There are a bunch of left aligned content creators who are refuse to look past the UK court case and constantly use the verdict as a sign of Depp's guilt. It's almost as if they are afraid of "losing" the culture war regarding #MeToo and #BelieveWomen that they refuse to concede on anything.
This really goes the other way too though. There's an entire cottage industry of right-wing youtubers that is attempting to monetize the shit out of this. And it isn't just the usual suspects. It's also a lot of so-called "Law Tube," consisting of lawyers who creamed themselves when the Roe v Wade ruling leaked, because they think it's a good thing.
These aren't your allies. Too many misogynists are way too into this for very obvious reasons so just be wary of where you're going to get informed on this trial. It's far more intensified here because Depp has a legitimate case for being abused, so they feel a lot more vindicated about it all. But there are a whole lot of bad faith actors and grifters out there.
I've come up with a saying that I hope catches on. Innocent until proven guilty. Take accusations seriously? Absolutely. Listen? Of course.
But T-800 don't you know that "Innocent until Proven Guilty" only applies to the court system? It has nothing to do with the "Court of Public Opinion".
I can't count how many times I've heard that statement.
Nah I agree with you. I'm basically saying that plenty of people have tried to justify dogpiling of individuals (both famous and non-famous) by stating that the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" only applies to court cases, and therefore any accusations or statements made against an individual can automatically be 100% assumed as true because of trends or something. I've seen the exact statement I made in my previous post repeated countless times in this forum in response to plenty of accusations, some which turn out to be true, but others that turn out to be false or overexaggerated.
You weren't supposed to see that post as I deleted it after reading your post again. I didn't understand it for some reason the first time I read it and felt a bit silly when I read it again. You were too quick. :)
I watched this pretty much from the week since Depp was on stand. And while i'm not in any side, Depp clearly seems more believable during his testimony than Amber. Even evidence wise, he def have some worthy proofs and etc.
Amber is been a bit of a show off (if i can call that) and i think that isn't help her either. From the number of relates she tolds, the evidence attached are a bit to low, no? Even Johnny got witnesses telling about bruises and etc. While we didn't reach that point yet for amber. Both was toxic to each other, but Johnny seems like was mostly verbal wise.
I Said mostly because if i'm not missing, have a audio of him telling he headbutted her. She tells on that like "you broke my nose" and he tells "i hit you in the forehead" something around this lines.
I don't how this going to unroll from now on but i don't see many chances on Ambers side. but anyway, i'm not an expert, just my 2cents.
*Sorry for any mistakes, english isn't my native.
Amber is been a bit of a show off (if i can call that) and i think that isn't help her either. From the number of relates she tolds, the evidence attached are a bit to low, no? Even Johnny got witnesses telling about bruises and etc. While we didn't reach that point yet for amber. Both was toxic to each other, but Johnny seems like was mostly verbal wise.
I Said mostly because if i'm not missing, have a audio of him telling he headbutted her. She tells on that like "you broke my nose" and he tells "i hit you in the forehead" something around this lines.
I don't how this going to unroll from now on but i don't see many chances on Ambers side. but anyway, i'm not an expert, just my 2cents.
*Sorry for any mistakes, english isn't my native.
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This language is toxic towards Male abuse victims who are in this thread. Stop it.
That was from him restraining her from continuing to him. She also never had a broken nose.
Hearing Dr.Curry is even more powerful.
She is so f*cking spot on, it's scary.
Everything she said before Amber took the stand lines up with her diagnosis. Amber's expert was biased as hell, in comparison.
It's amazing so many people still think Johnny is guilty or that they're both bad people
All because she came out with accusations which have so far not been proven. In 6 years since they were made we haven't seen any actual evidence of these claims. So far the only evidence of abuse has been by her, and there's a mountain of evidence that proves she has lied in many cases.
Yet despite her being a proven liar, despite it being crystal clear that Johnny was the victim and despite the audio tapes of Amber herself mocking him for "always" trying to run away from fights and telling him to tell the world that he's a victim of domestic abuse and see who believes him. It just blows my mind that anyone can be both siding this or flat out on her side when Johnny Depp is quiet clearly the victim.
Being Male does not mean that he can't be the victim. Or that he has no right to defend himself as the victim.
All because she came out with accusations which have so far not been proven. In 6 years since they were made we haven't seen any actual evidence of these claims. So far the only evidence of abuse has been by her, and there's a mountain of evidence that proves she has lied in many cases.
Yet despite her being a proven liar, despite it being crystal clear that Johnny was the victim and despite the audio tapes of Amber herself mocking him for "always" trying to run away from fights and telling him to tell the world that he's a victim of domestic abuse and see who believes him. It just blows my mind that anyone can be both siding this or flat out on her side when Johnny Depp is quiet clearly the victim.
Being Male does not mean that he can't be the victim. Or that he has no right to defend himself as the victim.
nobody is asking you? nobody is asking anyone to judge these people, but we have a lot of folks who though a lot of deliberation have concluded that they're both bad people, mainly based on nothing at all. vibes. Some logic that Amber wouldn't lie, so Johnny must have done something. These people usually know nothing about the case, or know only the verdict of the first closed trial.
Nobody is asking people to go on to the internet and pick a side. Maybe read some of the facts of the case before you feel like you need to do or(most importantly) say anything.
My advice, if you really want to engage in the conversation, get off this page and go back to the front of the thread and don't return until you've read every post.
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Social media opinion wont matter at the end the day. It's wether Amber lied about her accusations.
I'm not a fan of people that are giving hot takes about both sides after all the evidence we have seen and has been posted in a 50 page topic.
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You'd go well with the folks who claim George Floyd was no angel.
Edit: some of the "both sides" rethoric are very similar to excuses after a police shooting event - wait for evidence even though it's very clear cut case.
But yeah, regardless of who wins this, fuck the Sun and fuck Amber Heard - they did a good job in destroying support for DV victims (both male and female victims).
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Makes me sick knowing we have to sit out at least ten days now, before any kind of justice comes up to rip off her testimony and to expose all of her inconsistencies and blatant lies she put out in the world right now.
I really, REALLY, hope cross-examination is going heavy on her and is ripping apart every detail. At least social media is going full force on her already, disproving a lot of her statements. There's SO much inconsistency, it's unbelievable. Her photos in particular, compared with her appearences only one day after, are hilarious. I'm feeling really sorry for all, who experienced DV and put out their stories (even with pictures of them), showing their injuries. Compare these to AH and it's nothing less than laughable on AH side.
I really, REALLY, hope cross-examination is going heavy on her and is ripping apart every detail. At least social media is going full force on her already, disproving a lot of her statements. There's SO much inconsistency, it's unbelievable. Her photos in particular, compared with her appearences only one day after, are hilarious. I'm feeling really sorry for all, who experienced DV and put out their stories (even with pictures of them), showing their injuries. Compare these to AH and it's nothing less than laughable on AH side.
Shame the places where most people will read or see anything on this case are seemingly firm on Heard's side.
I haven't seen many people thinking that Depp is shitty or guilty on social media since this trial started. Here on this site by a few miserable people trying to stir the pot, sure, but by and large I think Depp's name is cleared and I do think he will win this case. Which considering everything from this trial that has been presented so far is completely deserved.
If that's your take after hours and hours of watching then you need to take a time out and examine your biases. Best of luck to you.
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Remember folks, ALWAYS be polite to anyone abusing you because if you react negatively towards them people like Captain America here would waste no time claiming you're abusive too!
He based his verdict on family members of his working for The Sun, which Depp claimed help facilitate the "wife beater" allegations Heard made.
Or in other words, it was a sham.
Well good riddance. You're standing by a take blaming a victim and then running cause you can't even defend it. It's ironic that you think that is standing by it. If you just take a shit and leave did you stand by it? Cause its pretty much all you did
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Fuck outa here. No one is saying hes an Angel the dudes had drug and alcohol problems sure, has he been abusive? Verbally it seems, its yet to be shown by Amber Heard's side if it has been outside of retaliation after being the subject of abuse from her.
No the reality of the situation here is one of these people has been shown via evidence that they have cut their partners finger off, shit on their bed, and physically abused them on multiple occasions while the other has been shown to be drunk, high, avoiding conflict, yelling and assaulting furniture.
Hmm I wonder where the scales go here defs equal out don't they. /s
Heard recorded their life for years it seems and has yet to produce a recording that shows Depp be physical against her I'm not sure how that hasn't sunk in with some people yet.
Has any eye witness corroborated Amber Heard's accounts of Depp's violence? I'm trying to keep an open mind here, but it seems like there's a lot of fire with no smoke, if that makes sense. Had Depp been abusive, surely someone else would have attested to that from personal experience. Maybe not, I don't know.
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I think the most damning and maybe there's a reason why they're not included in any of the evidences yet, but if you check all interviews with Depp's past relationships - no one has any allegation of any sort of him being violent, in fact outright rejecting the notion that he's an abuser.
You should probably do some introspection on why you think someone "sucking" without any actual evidence of serious wrongdoing on their part, justifies domestic abuse against them.
Until then, consider staying out of this thread. Folks here don't need to see you victim-blaming the victims of domestic abuse.
Your concept of reality is a fucking joke.
She's Everest and he's a mole hill based on what's been presented, and supported with evidence and eye witnesses, so far.
Knew the "both sides" lot would pipe up again as soon as Amber's testimony started and continue to ignore evidence in favour of victim blaming and pushing their agenda that the man cannot possibly be the victim. We'll be seeing a lot more of it before the end, I'm already seeing publications try to twist the narrative and do the same thing. And they can all fuck off equally.
Looks like I missed a lot of action yesterday. I just saw the early part and then stopped because it was getting late here. And honestly, it's for the better. I don't know if I could have dealt with it. I saw some parts on YouTube afterwards and something stands out to me, she did NOT experience many of the horrible things she mentioned. From experience, when I tell my story of being abused, it feels very different. The tears come easily, you have issues talking about it, it's hard to look at others when talking sometimes, you talk more slowly to recall how things went etc. And that's with abuse that is not as bad as she's describing! She has also been gathering lots of evidence that is not really strong. It should be easy to gather better evidence and take pictures of actual wounds. Yet we have none so far.
For many of us, it is clear cut. I just hope the jury sees this too. I'm really worried of how they're taking it. Is the jury allowed to read about this online? Are they aware of all the lies that we spoke about before? The media seems to be taking her side, which is scary too. I don't know if the media can affect the jury.
For many of us, it is clear cut. I just hope the jury sees this too. I'm really worried of how they're taking it. Is the jury allowed to read about this online? Are they aware of all the lies that we spoke about before? The media seems to be taking her side, which is scary too. I don't know if the media can affect the jury.
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