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Jim Ryan: "The PS4 community will continue to be incredibly important to us for three or four years"
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Funny. I remember this same thing happening when microsoft announced they werent leaving the xbox one behind. But the whiny people in that case are the ones defending Sony now. Boggles the mind.
Don't talk sense. People need to justify their purchases like there's nothing else worth in life
I'm not disappointed that more people will get to play these games, I have my doubts many people are and it seems like a pretty disingenuous attempt to take a moral high ground on the issue to paint anyone disappointed in this news as horrible gatekeepers disappointed because people who can't afford next gen get to play these games.
I'll always want next gen systems to have genuinely next gen games though. Microsoft, Sony, whatever. It doesn't mean cross gen games are automatically bad. As pointed out BotW is one of the best games ever and came with little advantage beyond the Switch's form factor. My technical expectations of Nintendo titles have long been conditioned to be different, though. But yeah, going into next gen I'll always hope for experiences that come across as just not possible on older hardware without significant compromise. It'll be interesting to see how these cross gen versions turn out (it's awesome that they come with free upgrades for if/when people can pick up a PS5, particularly in today's climate).
I'm a bit disappointed that Horizon is a cross gen title, I had assumed it would push the hardware really hard, and maybe it will, but it's difficult not to see cross-gen news and be concerned about getting a game that mostly just looks like a current gen game (which a lot of those next gen/cross gen games do right now). I don't think it's so wrong of people to point out that this feels like something of a backflip on Sony's messaging, either. But more people getting to play something like Horizon Forbidden West is a silver lining to this news, for sure.
I'll always want next gen systems to have genuinely next gen games though. Microsoft, Sony, whatever. It doesn't mean cross gen games are automatically bad. As pointed out BotW is one of the best games ever and came with little advantage beyond the Switch's form factor. My technical expectations of Nintendo titles have long been conditioned to be different, though. But yeah, going into next gen I'll always hope for experiences that come across as just not possible on older hardware without significant compromise. It'll be interesting to see how these cross gen versions turn out (it's awesome that they come with free upgrades for if/when people can pick up a PS5, particularly in today's climate).
I'm a bit disappointed that Horizon is a cross gen title, I had assumed it would push the hardware really hard, and maybe it will, but it's difficult not to see cross-gen news and be concerned about getting a game that mostly just looks like a current gen game (which a lot of those next gen/cross gen games do right now). I don't think it's so wrong of people to point out that this feels like something of a backflip on Sony's messaging, either. But more people getting to play something like Horizon Forbidden West is a silver lining to this news, for sure.
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Sadly, I can see this, especially since I remember fueling a ton on console warring on here. If anything MS was a lot more upfront with their "play anywhere" marketing.
The PS3 > PS4 transition and a limited amount of games being cross-gen is in no way comparable to a game as big as Horizon 2 being cross-gen. Also, I'm not one of the people accusing Jim Ryan or anyone else from Sony of lying, you might wanna check who said what before you respond to someone.
I don't get the negative reactions. This seems like a common sense approach that is good for players and the company.
Oh I see it's about prominent games being cross gen. I still don't get it. Console architecture today is way more similar between generations than it was between previous generations. It makes sense to me.
Oh I see it's about prominent games being cross gen. I still don't get it. Console architecture today is way more similar between generations than it was between previous generations. It makes sense to me.
Speaking of God of War 2 2007,
Which we are actually lucky we aren't getting a AAA 2021 game made only for PS4 like God of War 2 was a PS2 exclusive.
Ok to the people in this thread freaking out, Sony also mentioned how committed they were to the PS3's "10 year life cycle" even after the PS4 was announced. That impacted some 3rd party games in year 1 but there stopped being games on both in year 2.
They're not going to say "lmao 100 million people can go fuck themselves we're pulling the plug on all PS4 consoles in November"
I was pretty surprised by the Horizon announcement as well, even a bit concerned about certain aspects of the game now, but some of you are really taking it too far. I doubt God of War Ragnarok is cross gen. Same with Ratchet and most likely GT7. Sony's communication has been bad today but they've already listed out cross gen games, I don't think this is an aspect to worry about.
They're not going to say "lmao 100 million people can go fuck themselves we're pulling the plug on all PS4 consoles in November"
I was pretty surprised by the Horizon announcement as well, even a bit concerned about certain aspects of the game now, but some of you are really taking it too far. I doubt God of War Ragnarok is cross gen. Same with Ratchet and most likely GT7. Sony's communication has been bad today but they've already listed out cross gen games, I don't think this is an aspect to worry about.
No way GOW Raknarok is crossgen, otherwise they would have stated that as they just did for Horizon, as both are coming in 2021. Of course it's been in developmente since they finished the first one, but first party developers surely had access to ps5 specs for quite some time.
Lol nobody is mad about 3rd party support. They mad that the first 2 years of PlayStation 5 being cross gen when it was messaged otherwise
I don't understand the people who are mad in this thread. Did you really want them to just drop over a hundred million customers as soon as the PlayStation 5 launches?
How would that even be remotely Fair to the people who have PS4s??
How would that even be remotely Fair to the people who have PS4s??
Im hoping this is just the typical Sony "10 year plan" stuff they say every time right before they drop the old box like a rock
At least... thats what I hope because fuck Jaguar
Its fair because its Sony's job to sell us new hardware after 7 years of support on the last box. If you dont want to upgrade right away, fine don't theres PLENTY of PS4 games to keep you occupied. Was anyone complaining when Sony completely forgot about the PS3 in 2014????
At least... thats what I hope because fuck Jaguar
Its fair because its Sony's job to sell us new hardware after 7 years of support on the last box. If you dont want to upgrade right away, fine don't theres PLENTY of PS4 games to keep you occupied. Was anyone complaining when Sony completely forgot about the PS3 in 2014????
People know what it means, but we can't have console war without drama, so everyone's dramatizing it sadly. I doubt many actually think he means they'll support cross gen for that long.
I said it before with Xbox and I'll say it again now.
Peoples expectations for next gen were wildly out of control. We are going to get the same games we've always got at higher graphical setting, better framerates, better lighting, faster loading times and higher resolutions.
All this talk about the SSD being some game changer for games was mostly bullcrap. These features on the PS5 remote are more gimmick than gamer changer.
Finally there should be no issue with supporting PS4/Xbox games for the next 3-4 years. Most of these games are highly scalable anyways.
On the flipside basically due to this we should get a ton of great games in the first year or two instrad of the usually drought as developers familiarize themselves with the hardware.
Peoples expectations for next gen were wildly out of control. We are going to get the same games we've always got at higher graphical setting, better framerates, better lighting, faster loading times and higher resolutions.
All this talk about the SSD being some game changer for games was mostly bullcrap. These features on the PS5 remote are more gimmick than gamer changer.
Finally there should be no issue with supporting PS4/Xbox games for the next 3-4 years. Most of these games are highly scalable anyways.
On the flipside basically due to this we should get a ton of great games in the first year or two instrad of the usually drought as developers familiarize themselves with the hardware.
Sony is treating the early days of the PS5 like they have every other console they've released. Hence, Sony is the devil.
Sadly people will never understand that on ERA. They're upset about games they've made up in their minds and how they "should" look.
they are really showing their persecution complex in full force today
I just opened up the PS5 reveal.
He talks about PS5 making a generational transition, and how the games he is showing off shows how PS5 has inspired developers to create new experiences that are transformative in how they look, sound, and feel. That, with the Sony believes in generations talk, and the lack of announcements on Miles Morales, Horizon, etc. for PS4 make his statements misleading as hell.
If you want to say they haven't misled anyone or lied, feel free I guess. But there's a reason people are genuinely confused and surprised about announcements like Horizon 2 being on PS4.
edit: and I'm not saying Jim is saying the games will be cross-gen for the next few years either. If anyone thinks that, please go back by hitting the arrows to the start of the conversation.
Example
Techradar: Xbox Series X's cross-gen approach is robbing players of the next-gen thrill
About the cross-gen approach of MS https://www.techradar.com/news/xbox-series-xs-cross-gen-approach-is-robbing-players-of-the-next-gen-thrill
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This was not a simple misunderstanding, it was crafted by Sony
Again, this is what they've always done. Games that were in development for PS4 that are also coming to PS5 wont be focused on using the new controller. PS5 will have exclusives that aren't on PS4. Easy to put this together.
It did happen, and I'm one of the people that called it out because it's silly to get mad over this stuff. You can check my post history in any Halo Infinite topic. The entitlement is pretty
My last comment was speaking generally, but you replied to me addressing those saying he lied. Horizon 2 clearly started development on PS4. Development takes longer these days. Again, compare this to God of War 2 releasing on PS2 in 2007. This would be the same scenario, but now, there is a next gen version too.
This is why.
From a business standpoint (like with Microsoft) it makes sense, Sony is going to be taking a loss on the PS5 initally, combined with covid and economic uncertainty it makes sense to offer your games on a system that already has a massive install base.
He directly gets asked about how Sony set expectations for the PS5 and how some launch window exclusives also coming to PS4 might subvert that marketing, and he says simply it's a good thing because it gives people choice, and it won't matter because these games are built from the ground up to take advantage of the PS5's bells and whistles so it's immaterial that it's on the PS4 as well.
That's much more in line with Microsoft's messaging than how Sony was positioning their cross gen solutions before this interview.
The article doesn't say anything about cross-gen games for 3-4 years. People need to relax lol. PS1, PS2, PS3 were all supported for years.
I'm not mad at the cross-gen news except that knowing sooner would've meant that I would have kept my PS4 Pro.
Of course it makes sense to support PlayStation 4 for more time, it's sold over 100+ million units and we're in the midst of a global pandemic that has caused massive economic repercussions.
What I find absolutely ridiculous is why Jim Ryan didn't say all of this upfront when he began his PR approach for PS5.
- Why did Sony/Insomniac deny that there was even a chance that Spider-Man: Miles Morales would come to PS4?
- Why did they not announce Horizon: Forbidden West for both PS4 and PS5?
- Why pretend that the technical innovations of the PS5 meant that 8th-gen publishing was coming to an end with TLOU Part II and Ghost of Tsushima?
If you can't look at these issues and understand why this is a Public Relations failure, there's nothing else to be said.
Of course it makes sense to support PlayStation 4 for more time, it's sold over 100+ million units and we're in the midst of a global pandemic that has caused massive economic repercussions.
What I find absolutely ridiculous is why Jim Ryan didn't say all of this upfront when he began his PR approach for PS5.
- Why did Sony/Insomniac deny that there was even a chance that Spider-Man: Miles Morales would come to PS4?
- Why did they not announce Horizon: Forbidden West for both PS4 and PS5?
- Why pretend that the technical innovations of the PS5 meant that 8th-gen publishing was coming to an end with TLOU Part II and Ghost of Tsushima?
If you can't look at these issues and understand why this is a Public Relations failure, there's nothing else to be said.
Sounds like the updated version of this article.
Sony won't abandon the PlayStation 3 after the PlayStation 4 launches
Fear not PlayStation 3 owners, Sony has confirmed that it has no plans to abandon its current console when the PlayStation 4 launches this holiday …
bgr.com
I personally thought cross-gen support was good for Xbox and I think it's good for PlayStation. I can keep my PS4 Pro and continue to play Sony exclusives without having to shell out $500+ for a new system I don't really need. Yeah yeah, the games "aren't reaching their potential" if they have to support PS4, but honestly who cares as long as the games are fun and entertaining.
Every single console maker says this every single time they release a new console.
Jesus Christ, relax people.
Jesus Christ, relax people.
I say it goes beyond PR failure.
In concrete terms, he/Sony outright lied.
I don't know how it benefited them to lie for months on end, but I'm assuming they did it for some tangible reason.
After reading the entire article, I think people are mostly just desperate to try to be angry about something. Continuing community support doesn't mean actively being a development focus. It does, however, include basics like big yearly third party stuff, global blockbusters, helping indies be compatible, keeping the servers on, etc etc etc.
Calm down y'all.
Calm down y'all.
So like other generations. When they messaged about believing in generations I never though it would be a harsh cut between consoles. It has never been like that
Wait! Won't this hold next gen back!? I for one am outraged. Why isn't this thread at least 20 pages by now. Time to make a concern thread.
Then why was Shadow Fall next gen only, or infamous? Clearly they were started during the PS3 era. Cause sony made a conscious effort to make these games that weren't going to be possible on the PS3 and give people that got a PS4 something for their shiny box.
It's the same thing now, there should be fine spectacle with the new boxes. We've been on these things for 7 years on tech that's even older than that. Sure third parties keep releasing on it, but the console manufacturers need to give some incentive
coincidentally Bluepoint games did Titanfall for 360 lol
damn good port
The same reason some of the PS5 games aren't on PS4. Sometimes it works out that way, sometimes it doesn't.
Isn't Demon Souls a PS5 exclusive?
Are you getting games you can only enjoy on PS5 or not? If so then how exactly did he lie?
Edit: Like, I'll admit I'm disappointed Horizon's cross-gen because I really wanted Guerrilla to go nuts with it but a lot of the reactions I'm reading in this thread come off like tantrums. Well, tantrums and fanboys not understanding the difference between "every game will be cross-gen" and "some games will be cross-gen."
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Mmmmmm nah I'm disappointed because Horizon could have been PS5's first major showpiece where Guerilla got to flex its muscle and blow the scope of gameplay out to interesting new places. Instead its going to be shackled to an 8 year old Jaguar