You're basically saying "I don't know what I'm talking about, but I will make a declarative statement about it anyway."
You could easily find out the answer to that and then your whole point may potentially be rendered moot.
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It's pretty fucked how normalized it is to adopt/buy a pet and castrate it
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You're basically saying "I don't know what I'm talking about, but I will make a declarative statement about it anyway."
You could easily find out the answer to that and then your whole point may potentially be rendered moot.
Single google search because I'm honestly not combing through studies for this:
The Domestication Makeup: Evolution, Survival, and Challenges
Animal domestication is considered a complex and multistage process that altered behaviorally, morphologically, and physiologically the domesticates relative to their wild ancestors. Ever since Darwin, scientists have been concerned about the history of domestication. To determine the...
Note: My specific example was about dogs.
This review states that domestication can happen naturally just due to the nature of human society attracting desirable traits amongst animals; No active effort on the behalf of humans. The term domestication itself simply refers to the fact that these animals evolved in such a way that increases their chances of an animal co-existing alongside humans. Do we force some? Yes, but that's also the very basic element of nature at work. Animals adapt due to outside influences.
Is your argument that the origin of something is too far in the past for us to study and infer? Because if so, I know several people that would have very stern words for you.
No research has been done on this, we all just decided to chop up dog balls for no reason. Never really thought about it.
"Normalized" lol come on op.
Maybe adopt an actual pet before spewing nonsense like this. Or do some basic research. Seriously, ten minutes on Google and you'd realize how much a pet suffers every time it goes into heat but can't find any outlet for that sexual urge. Not to mention the issues of overpopulation in shelters, euthanization, and damage to local ecosystems that everyone else here has already pointed out.
Wow this might be the worst take I've ever seen on this site.
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Research? OP has been thinking about the issue critically.
I'm sure at any moment they will return to this thread to blow our minds with deep thoughts.
Think of it like birth control. We humans take it for unwanted pregnancies. Studies have shown when you allow access to birth control, there are less abortions overall because of it. This way, there will be less euthanizing animals when you remove their balls.
This is a subject that doesn't get near enough attention. I love cats but they are bird-killing machines and left unchecked literally threaten ecosystems
"Our findings suggest that free-ranging cats cause substantially greater wildlife mortality than previously thought and are likely the single greatest source of anthropogenic mortality for US birds and mammals"
The impact of free-ranging domestic cats on wildlife of the United States - Nature Communications
Free-ranging domestic cats cause wildlife extinctions on islands, but their impact on wildlife in mainland areas is unclear. This study presents an estimate of mortality caused by cats in the United States, suggesting that 1.4–3.7 billion birds and 6.9–20.7 billion mammals are killed annually.
www.nature.com
So yes OP, many researchers have thought a lot about domestic animal population control. (hmm 3 pages in and only 1 post from the OP)
wouldn't put it past sufficiently aliens to domesticate hairless talking apes for their own amusement
Or they'll come down and put us in a zoo and keep us as pets like that twilight zone episode.
I'd never do it but understand that my family's pet would have been neuterized because he's "very friendly" with plushies (as if we weren't with porn) and gets aggressive at strangers.
However I wouldn't have a pet for selfish reasons. My personal time is my own time.
However I wouldn't have a pet for selfish reasons. My personal time is my own time.
How Can You Save Hundreds of Pet Lives? - SNAP San Diego
By Spay/Neutering One. Millions of animals get euthanized in shelters every year simply because there aren't enough homes. It's a numbers problem - We can't adopt our way out of this pet overpopulation crisis. And here is why: One unspayed female cat can produce up to 370,000 offspring. By just...
www.snap-sandiego.org
Human society has collectively decided it's more "kind" to spay/neuter pets than to let them die of starvation/disease/euthenasia, because the "natural" solution to overpopulation is death, lots of it, and so humans invented the "artificial" solution of spaying/neutering. It has very little to do with behavioural characteristics. We merely learned that spaying/neutering had positive behavioural side effects, and in order to "sell" people on getting their pets fixed, we decided to play up the behavioural positives of fixing.
Here's a good channel that shows what's like when you try to handle overpopulation the hard way:
Be forewarned, this particular stray did not have a happy ending.
Dogs provide protection, and in exchange we provide shelter, warmth, clean water and regular meals. Mutually, we share companionship and safety. This is our ancient contract with them, and it has worked out pretty well for all parties so far.
Part of that safety extends to our responsibility to the species, and that means controlling population so that other dogs don't end up abandoned and/or culled. Don't assign human values pertaining to sex to dogs and cats.
Part of that safety extends to our responsibility to the species, and that means controlling population so that other dogs don't end up abandoned and/or culled. Don't assign human values pertaining to sex to dogs and cats.
I'm really glad that I'm being told that the cats I have that are the best part of my life, that keep me sane, that give me something to look forward to coming home to, who run to the door when I come home to cuddle, who have kept me from feeling suicidal, actually shouldn't be there and that I'm fucked up for having them and for having them spayed and neutered so they live better lives.
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We try to keep our cat inside for his protection, but he LOVES being outside and it's an unwinnable game of grabbing him every time someone comes through the door. It's only a matter of time before he'll make his great escape, and I don't want him running around looking for a girl cat to knock up.
Yes, actually! And it's society agreeing your take is horrible. I know it's just piling on at this point, but you need as many notifications as possible about just how godawful your view is here.
No, you are definitely the first person to ever think about this, ever.
Fucking Christ...
Literally most animals and plants do this. Virtually no species evolved entirely on their own without any influence from another species of animal.
For dogs specifically, we've now spent tens of thousands of years evolving together in a symbiotic relationship. Their brains react in a certain way for humans now that's separate from how they react to all other animals.
OP, holy shit. I've spent an incalculable number of hours over the last decade or so helping with animal shelters, and there's nothing more heartbreaking than the never-ending battle to place animals into homes so that they are not killed instead. Overpopulation is a very serious issue for animals, and so many are needlessly killed because people choose to not spay or neuter their pets. Going to say this next part in large font.
An ideal situation is one where there are not enough pets to be adopted and people wanting them are required to prove that their house a suitable environment for a pet.
Adoptable / purchasable pets should have a shortage. It's absolutely heartbreaking to see animals grow out of their "puppy / kitten" stage because once that happens, adoption becomes exponentially more difficult for them. The animals that don't get killed and don't get adopted have a very high percentage chance of living their entire life in a shelter, watching people come in and remove their peers from the situation that they're trapped in for life.
For the love of animals, everybody, get your pets spayed & neutered.
An ideal situation is one where there are not enough pets to be adopted and people wanting them are required to prove that their house a suitable environment for a pet.
Adoptable / purchasable pets should have a shortage. It's absolutely heartbreaking to see animals grow out of their "puppy / kitten" stage because once that happens, adoption becomes exponentially more difficult for them. The animals that don't get killed and don't get adopted have a very high percentage chance of living their entire life in a shelter, watching people come in and remove their peers from the situation that they're trapped in for life.
For the love of animals, everybody, get your pets spayed & neutered.
Some really weird takes. Like people are saying "objectively" it's weird/bad to own a pet as if giving an animal a stable, loving environment with good food with no chance to go hungry, semi-regular baths, toys, treats, and some amount of consistent medical attention/checkups is somehow a bad thing.
I think some people just overthink things.
I think some people just overthink things.
there's a way to fix this problem but it involves not having domesticated animals at all, and the ways to get there are just going to run into the same problems. oops
until then, unless you plan on allowing them to live free and not control their breeding habits at all, which will be pretty catastrophic, you're gonna have to do it and that's the way it is. i guess you can get there without mutilation eventually but either way you're the one deciding how they propagate
here's a statement that isn't conducive to a good conversation but if you're worried about how fucked up it is that we control the ability for domestic pets to breed, how fucked up is it that we control livestock in an endless containment and murder cycle, maybe work on one before the other
until then, unless you plan on allowing them to live free and not control their breeding habits at all, which will be pretty catastrophic, you're gonna have to do it and that's the way it is. i guess you can get there without mutilation eventually but either way you're the one deciding how they propagate
here's a statement that isn't conducive to a good conversation but if you're worried about how fucked up it is that we control the ability for domestic pets to breed, how fucked up is it that we control livestock in an endless containment and murder cycle, maybe work on one before the other
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I know for our bunnies if you don't spay or neuter they become super aggressive and start peeing/marking everywhere. Not only that, especially in females they have a high rate of cancer if you don't spay.
Nope. It's a good thing. Less strays, and better for your pet's health.
Come on now.
Come on now.
6 months ago I captured 10(!) cats in my moms backyard (3 momma cats and 7 kittens) because some idiot in her neighborhood couldn't be bother to spay her cat. That's 10 cats in one yard in one neighborhood. I can't imagine how many more there must be who decided to have their babies not in my mothers yard.
Spay and neuter your pets. Please.
Spay and neuter your pets. Please.
This is such an awful and bullshit take.
It's the right thing to do. There are BILLIONS of homeless cats/dogs, and it continues to grow all because dumbasses do NOT spay/neuter their animals. Especially when it comes to dumbasses who want purebred animals.
Purposely allowing your pets to breed is a shitty thing to do.
It's the right thing to do. There are BILLIONS of homeless cats/dogs, and it continues to grow all because dumbasses do NOT spay/neuter their animals. Especially when it comes to dumbasses who want purebred animals.
Purposely allowing your pets to breed is a shitty thing to do.
As a long, long time cat owner... Never seen a take this wrong about pets in a forum. Ever.
Cats are neutered for their own health and safety. It prevents breast, uterus and ovarian cancer on females, prevents them from building stress during mating seasons, helps with territorial behavior, prevents roaming - and possible killing due to being in the wrong time and place, or getting hurt in fights - and i could continue listing.
Are you competing with OP?
Cats are neutered for their own health and safety. It prevents breast, uterus and ovarian cancer on females, prevents them from building stress during mating seasons, helps with territorial behavior, prevents roaming - and possible killing due to being in the wrong time and place, or getting hurt in fights - and i could continue listing.
Are you competing with OP?
🤔. If you are not a breeder, neutering is really responsible. Especially for cat owners.
yeah, this is true. I don't think you can legally just allow your dog to roam and do wtf it wants like how cats get a pass.
What a weird-ass thread. You don't spay/neuter your pet to make them behave better, you spay/neuter your pet to prevent unwanted puppies/kittens who will either overwhelm shelters or have an awful quality of life as ferals.
The pet shelter we had our cats from ordered us to neuter them because they want less stray cats and dogs and also less cats from people who give them away. Fair enough
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