Is Quiet the worst character design this gen?
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I prefer honesty with the explanation of the design, it's much better say "yeah it's a horny design" than some bullshit explanation. I still laugh about Quiet "breathing through her skin".
Kojima's first tweet regarding Quiet's design was the real honest reason.
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The words and deeds comment came afterwards after he received backlash for the above comment. But it only ended up making the situation worse. Should have stuck to his guns.
HIDEO_KOJIMA on Twitter
“The initial target is to make u want to do cosplay or its figurine to sell well.”
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The words and deeds comment came afterwards after he received backlash for the above comment. But it only ended up making the situation worse. Should have stuck to his guns.
What the..
Game seemed pretty cool. Wouldn't have expected any characters like that. :/
I'm quoting this post because it is really good and should be further preserved.A lot of the time it actually does. Oftentimes the rules of character design are thrown out in favor of the designer's personal fetishes. Which they speak about openly in interviews and such. When you see a character like Link, every aspect of his design tells you about his role. Every little belt, piece of equipment, pouches, etc. you get the full picture:
meanwhile, sexualized character designs often look like an almagation of the designer's fetishes and/or designed to appeal to a presumably straight male audience's fetishes:
ok so the designer clearly likes
-catgirls
-knee high boots
-revealing outfits that make no sense
Oh.. she has a witch hat, she must be a witch, now if only the other aspects of the outfit reflected that.
It's a poor approach to character design especially since it's such a one sided affair. We've gotten some fantastic character designs when it comes to designers putting in effort beyond "Well my fetish x so this character needs that" and they all fit the bill as a result in the same way Link does.
Ostracised queen turned assassin:
Parkour expert in a futuristic dystopian city:
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Former pilot turned superhero:
Struggling Survivor in a zombie apocalypse:
Inquisitor who hunts jedi and works for the empire:
An assassin in Ancient Egypt:
Quiet's outfit tells me nothing about the character because that's not it's intent first and foremost. Which just tells me that it's bad character design for a poorly written character. 👏
Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
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The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
"DFC is a reference to a 4chan term which stands for "Delicious Flat Chest"Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
It's too bad because the game before, one of the main characters with Elma is actually a really solid design. It feels like they saw the appeal that fire emblem started really getting with waifu type characters, and then rolled with it in xb2.
Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
Well this is just about the worst thing I've read on Era in a month.
Yikes. I remember seeing people praise this game all the time on some threads.Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
I'm pretty sure one of the developers has an account here. Maybe they can explain why they thought this was a good idea.
Lord. This was on my wishlist but I think I might take it off. Optimistically there's some developer reasoning for this, but I can't think of a lot that would justify that beyond the sort of tone that I don't think the game is going for.Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
ERA is one of the few forums I frequent where the game gets any kind of positive reception. More often than not, people refuse to get over Dorothy and things gets ugly pretty quickly.
FWIW Someone being a hentai artist probably isn't that meaningful of a distinction as it's apparently very common for manga artists to do it. I'm not actually sure which of the guest artists have done hentai but the vast majority of them were established artists either in mainstream video games or anime.
For instance Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon had designs by Masamune Shirow(of Ghost in the Shell fame) who has done plenty of hentai.
She is definetly one of the worst.
I don't know what happened but Japan keeps getting worse at character design these days. Everything is strings and weird uncovered spots.
I wish we would get something sensible.
I don't know what happened but Japan keeps getting worse at character design these days. Everything is strings and weird uncovered spots.
I wish we would get something sensible.
I agree. Especially XB2 has a age rating of 12 in Germany. If you see those designs I am not sure if kids should see that. I am not sure why they started this whole stuff with Fire Emblem.
"DFC is a reference to a 4chan term which stands for "Delicious Flat Chest"
You know when you learn a new phrase that makes you feel bad deep down in your very bones?
Amazing that Shirow is still in business. I still remember the first manga I saw from GitS.
But why are two Nintendo studios use artists which have those backgrounds? Or are they just go for variety ?
Whereas western designs are getting better. Kassandra, Aloy, Ellie...I guess both tlou and 2, etc.
As I said it's apparently not all that uncommon for manga artists.
Off the top of my head Langrisser/Growlanser also had art by an Hentai artist(Satoshi Urushihara) and the modern day Shining games do as well(Tony Taka).
Hm, I see. Oh yeah I forgot about Growlanser and Langrisser, Urushihara, the master of breasts :P
Yeah no fuck anyone defending her as a character."DFC is a reference to a 4chan term which stands for "Delicious Flat Chest"
I am glad this thread happened so we could get this hilarious post.
Yeah the west is doing a much better job. Hopefully Resident Evil triggers a movement that changes the way japanese artists design characters.
Jill, Carlos, Claire, Leon. They did a really good job with them.
I think that's up to the directors/producers of every project. Like Masatsugu Saito, the main character designer of XC2, was brought to the project simply because the producers really loved his work in Expelled from Paradise.
So basically the directors/producers get the artists which they like. Sounds reasonable.
DOAX3 isn't bad character design, it's the game design that is awful (or are some of the girls underage?).
A bikini makes sense for what the game is about, volleyball, pool sports etc.
You're really trying to push this "people in that thread are totally okay with incest so their whole thread and discussion is moot" and it's really shady as hell.
I love Carlos for Hispanic representation. Usually it's thicc women like Loba in Apex Legends which I do love but seeing a heroic and loyal character like Carlos is awesome.
My biggest wtf character design this gen was Cindy. Quiet and XB2 cast are worse but ffs Square
And every interaction with her is just filled with male gaze camera angle BS so they knew exactly who they were targeting.
This is actually one of the worst ones for the characters role (mechanic) cus of what motor oil does to exposed skin. IE: rashes, dermatitis, irritation, etc...
Not even a sliver of thought to her job or role in the game. Just straight up "make her sexy" and little else.
My exact reaction. I hate the internet"DFC is a reference to a 4chan term which stands for "Delicious Flat Chest"
Because the artist is very popular in Japan. Simple as that really.
Also while I understand Xenoblade 2 character design got bad reputation. Let me say that I really like Morag design
Eh, i've seen plenty of mechanics who worked shirtless or in tanktops when it was really hot, it's not that uncommon in warmer regions, but yeah her design is pretty silly.
Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
Well, fuck, and idiot that I am, purchased the game a few weeks ago on the eshop.
That sucks
It's not your fault, clearly not a lot one about it from the reactions in this thread. I'm just shocked because I saw a lot of people on era praising it for being representative, yet it has stuff like that.
I remember there was a thread where several people were attempting to justify that this character was designed to look like a cutsey happy go lucky 12 year old girl who flirts with older people and engages in various forms of intercourse with them and is a reference to a pedophillic novel for the SPECIFIC PURPOSE of being a commentary on sex workers in a dystopia setting.Dorothy Haze
Rebecca Dorothy Willow Graem (otherwise known as Dorothy Haze) is a Lilim sex worker, a close friend of Julianne Stingray, and a regular patron at VA-11 Hall-A. She is a DFC-72 class Lilim. Dorothy has short, red hair, red eyes and extremely pale (almost white) skin. Her fingers are robotic in...
The article's random trivia is pretty damning too.
Another use for the ProZD clip.
Seriously?
I meant seriously as in you're getting into generation line discrepancies when that has nothing to do with the topic.
Sure it does, Quiet is not from this generation, let alone last gen.
XBC2, as much as I like it, probably has this on lock. It's mix of designs is all over the place (intentionally so) and some of them beat out even Quiet. Quiet is more famous for being contradictory to her earlier appearance and the famous words/deeds explanation. Plus Kojima.
XBC2, as much as I like it, probably has this on lock. It's mix of designs is all over the place (intentionally so) and some of them beat out even Quiet. Quiet is more famous for being contradictory to her earlier appearance and the famous words/deeds explanation. Plus Kojima.
They kinda did. I have this paperback art book that came with the original PS3 game.
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-The switch is not a new generation. That would be like calling the PS4pro or XB1X new generations.
-MGSV was advertised for and foremost as a next gen title. The pre-release footage was always high end pc/next gen console footage and this was right down to the review copies. It is technically a cross gen game, but the majority played it on next gen systems. It's like saying SoM is a last gen game because it had ports on the ps3 and 360.
That's what I've heard too. I'm not personally sure on specific artists, but the lines between hentai artists and mainstream manga artist/character designers isn't that cut-and-dry. Many apparently get their start in hentai and then "graduate" to more mainstream stuff.
Switch is a next gen handheld, not home console. It's a sizeable leap over Vita.
Metal Gear Solid V was released 4.5 years ago in late 2015. It's still a relatively recent game, so trying to disqualify Quiet on the basis of a technicality when she's a leading example of objectification in recent major titles, as seen by constant discussion since the launch of Era, feels like pointless pedantry.