Game developers need bread and not supporting a developer because you feel the publisher is screwing them over is just going to make things worse for them because the publisher could let them off.
So yes you can be a progressive person while supporting AAA games. You just need to raise concerns instead in an attempt to fix this.
This cartoon is right but it doesn't fit this thread. This thread is specifically asking how people can claim to be progressive whilst supporting AAA devs. It's not asking how we can improve the situation, it's labelling people who do support AAA as non progressive. Pointing out hypocrisy in that situation is totally apt.
Game developers need bread and not supporting a developer because you feel the publisher is screwing them over is just going to make things worse for them because the publisher could let them off.
So yes you can be a progressive person while supporting AAA games. You just need to raise concerns instead in an attempt to fix this.
It's impossibile, and AAA, AA and indie devs can be bad and progressive, regardless of the publishers and the games.
I fail to understand why you need to label yourself anything. It's not an after school club. If you agree with progressive ideals, great. Push for them as much as you can. But being human means you are going to be a hypocrite in some aspects, especially one who lives in the West in relative privilege.
Do the best you can, stick to your ideals and stop worrying if you have done enough to get your monthly participation badge.
What device did you create this post on?
Is everything you wear ethically sourced?
Is your job ethical?
Do you work in an ethical industry?
Before you start throwing around terms like cognitive dissonance about AAA gaming think about how people live their whole lives within a system that has exploitation & hierarchy enforced by various forms of violence.
Some Bangladeshi or Chinese child would have made that Toad hat you are wearing for pittance, so you really have no clue what you are talking about when mentioning the words progressive or exploitation.
I shouldn't have to explain around here how the AAA game development industry is one of the most exploitative of workers in the world
Basically this is what I think...You can enjoy something and be critical of it at the same time.
Unless you live in the woods and steal everything, somewhere along the line your money will end up in the pocket of someone with loathsome ideals or practices. Wether it's videogames, paying your rent, buying food, paying taxes. We're all supporting scum bags and horrible business practices daily.
Woooooah deep brah damn
I shouldn't have to explain around here how the AAA game development industry is one of the most exploitative of workers in the world
.If you honestly believe this you need to get out in the world a little bit more. This sentence makes the rest of your argument look dumb and I can't take you seriously.
Woooooah deep brah damn
The point is to support what you feel is right and those doing the things you think matter, because either way you're buying a yacht for a pos somewhere at some point. You can't narrow it down to games or movies or clothing retailers or etc etc, because it's all fucked.
I actually think the AAA devs are really trying here. It's not perfect, yet---I think there was still a dearth in protagonists of color represented at E3 yet---but we're seeing a lot more female protagonists, and one of the biggest games of the show featured a kiss between two women (that was a technical moment!) Shit, just look at how the gamergaters reacted.Add to this the well publicised and obvious problems that the AAA game industry has with diversity
Woooooah deep brah damn
The point is to support what you feel is right and those doing the things you think matter, because either way you're buying a yacht for a pos somewhere at some point. You can't narrow it down to games or movies or clothing retailers or etc etc, because it's all fucked.
Oh yes it is and EA is the literal devil. Atleast the kids assembling phones can't buy unfair advantages over their peers.You lost me there.
Have you heard of blood diamond mines in Africa? Sweatshops employing child labor in Asia? Businesses exploiting annexed land in the West Bank?
Gaming is hardly "the most exploitative" industry in the world. Doesn't mean we shouldn't push for better business practices, but let's get some perspective here.
Agree with what you say, but, lol. Giving dude shit for wearing a gaming hat is pretty childish in itself.Common sense isn't being "defensive".
pretty much. It's an incredible indication of age too.
It is not possible for any person to be a 100% ethical consumer in a capitalist system (insert "ethical consumption under capitalism" meme here) so you are ultimately forced to pick and choose your battles. Which battles you choose to fight are up to you. As long as you support fulling moving away from this system when possible, you're good, in my opinion.
And reposting the definitive treatise on this subject:
What device did you create this post on?
Is everything you wear ethically sourced?
Is your job ethical?
Do you work in an ethical industry?
Not defensive, just tired of the milquetoast liberalism & implied judgement the OP represents.
Why bother with sticking plaster over a tiny cut when you're bleeding out?
Capitalism can't be changed or reformed to be better because it will always regress back - which is what we've seen happening since the 1970s and the rise of neo-liberalism strippsing away welfare systems, the privatisation of public goods & infrastructure, and the ongoing transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest.
It needs to go, and be replaced with a system that places the welfare of the many above the welfare of the few. A system that doesn't have unsustainable constant growth inside a resource-limited environment.
This ^^^^^.
I thought it would make an interesting discussion, so there's no need for some of you to throw around silly accusations. If you don't think it's worth discussing, move along please.
Boycotting AAA games to protest isolated facets of the industry has zero impact unless you have a means to publicize your actions and pull people on board en masse.
No, I'm not. At least, I'm not trying too. I'm saying support what matters and don't sweat the shit you can't avoid, because it's truly unavoidable. You shouldn't say "AAA games are out for me" because 3/4 of the industry is shit, but instead "I'll support the AAA games I believe do things right," and be aware that even in that case, someone shitty is probably getting paid.You're suggesting one should try less based on the difficulty of the task. Just because you can't avoid supporting bad stuff in one place doesn't mean you should stop trying or accept less bad stuff in other places. The pursuit of betterness is always good.
Who's talking about the act of buying a yacht being bad? I'm talking about paying your taxes and buying a gutter trash politician a yacht. Notice I used the term pos in there?A CEO can buy a yacht leading a profitable company that treats its employees well. And unless you oppose capitalism and entrepeneurism then there's nothing wrong about that yacht.
Not in this case.
No, I'm not. At least, I'm not trying too. I'm saying support what matters and don't sweat the shit you can't avoid, because it's truly unavoidable. You shouldn't say "AAA games are out for me" because 3/4 of the industry is shit, but instead "I'll support the AAA games I believe do things right," and be aware that even in that case, someone shitty is probably getting paid.
Who's talking about the act of buying a yacht being bad? I'm talking about paying your taxes and buying a gutter trash politician a yacht. Notice I used the term pos in there?
Jesus at the answers in this thread... The question raised by the OP is legit and there have been multiple proofs that devs are passionated people who are treated like horse shit by their company while been underpaid.
This topic really prove that gamers are a despicable crowd unwilling to face that reality just to protect their toys