Iranian military claims to have shot down US spy drone
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Not much of a big imo, they've done it for years and if I recall correctly even hacked and landed an advanced model years ago.
While I get your point, I think it is worth stating that there are some things that you can't see without a low and slow drone with a badass camera.
That was the Obama administration, we didn't have a highly suggestible president surrounded by war hawks.
Confirmed by the U.S., but they're claiming the drone was in international airspace.
ABC News @ABC
DETAILS: In a major provocation, Iran shot down an unarmed and unmanned U.S. Navy MQ-4C Triton drone while it was flying in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz Thursday, a U.S. official told @ABC News. https://abcn.ws/2XYmAvT
2:39 AM - Jun 20, 2019
DETAILS: In a major provocation, Iran shot down an unarmed and unmanned U.S. Navy MQ-4C Triton drone while it was flying in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz Thursday, a U.S. official told @ABC News. https://abcn.ws/2XYmAvT
2:39 AM - Jun 20, 2019
1) Shooting down a drone both over ones own air space or international airspace is nowhere near justification for a war.
2) The US would not put one of it's newer drones on a suicide mission that could be intercepted and reverse engineered by it's key foreign adversaries in Iran and Russia.
Cross posting this because mods are asleep and there are two Iran threads going right now with the same news.
Considering they have been targeting civilian tankers, there is rather clear escalation if they are openly targeting drones that are potentially in international airspace.
The more I think about what has been going on in the last few weeks and months, the more I'm starting to suspect this is a larger play by Iran that is almost a "cornered animal" response.
Their economy is in shambles since Trump killed the nuclear deal and reimposed sanctions on their oil exports. If Iran starts thinking their country is at risk of collapsing due to pure economic stress, then the more likely and willing they are to lash out using force to call Trump's bluffs or use these minor attacks as warning shots of the consequences that Iran can impose on the world at large if it so wants.
That is, Iran can take down a large part of the global economy if it finds itself in a situation where it can not win and has nothing to lose. Showing that it's willing to take down tankers in the middle of the most importing shipping lane is a very clear and blatant "don't test us" message to the US.
This article has some good topics about what could be going on and why
Considering they have been targeting civilian tankers, there is rather clear escalation if they are openly targeting drones that are potentially in international airspace.
The more I think about what has been going on in the last few weeks and months, the more I'm starting to suspect this is a larger play by Iran that is almost a "cornered animal" response.
Their economy is in shambles since Trump killed the nuclear deal and reimposed sanctions on their oil exports. If Iran starts thinking their country is at risk of collapsing due to pure economic stress, then the more likely and willing they are to lash out using force to call Trump's bluffs or use these minor attacks as warning shots of the consequences that Iran can impose on the world at large if it so wants.
That is, Iran can take down a large part of the global economy if it finds itself in a situation where it can not win and has nothing to lose. Showing that it's willing to take down tankers in the middle of the most importing shipping lane is a very clear and blatant "don't test us" message to the US.
This article has some good topics about what could be going on and why
I think that's what happening here. As an Iranian, I much rather die in a war than starve to death. US is making a situation where Iran's best option is war.
How bad is the inflation right now? Has it entered into hyperinflation (or close to it?)
The overall inflation is around %50 while inflation for food items is around %100-200.
Do you live in Iran? I'm curious what the current sentiment all things considered.
Yes I do. People are hungry and angry at everybody (regime, US, each other, etc.) to the point that civil war doesn't seem distant.
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'Murica trying to start shit like always.
Couldn't convince the rest of the world that Iran attacked the tankers, gotta find other ways to escalate.
Couldn't convince the rest of the world that Iran attacked the tankers, gotta find other ways to escalate.
We're years into Trump's presidency and we have a history of him backing down on issues that are unpopular and cared about by both sides. On top of that, Trump in this instance already doesnt want a war.
Stop fearmongering.
For those who don't know, if it's the triton that was shot down, that aircraft was going to be deployed for the first time ever later this year. It means it was on a secret mission, and you don't do secret missions over international waters.
Coupled with the fact that Iran announced it first (shows they were confident it was in their airspace)
And the US dragging its feet to confirm what happened (and in particular which drone was shot down) makes me believe Iran this time.
The US has no business over Iran and Iran reserves the right to protect their airspace.
Coupled with the fact that Iran announced it first (shows they were confident it was in their airspace)
And the US dragging its feet to confirm what happened (and in particular which drone was shot down) makes me believe Iran this time.
The US has no business over Iran and Iran reserves the right to protect their airspace.
Your post about the tritons operational date is completely inaccurate.
Correct me then, because am pretty sure the Triton's were going to Guam later this year for their first Operational Deployment.
Small reminder that, just three years ago, relations between Iran and the West were the best they've been in years thanks to the Nuclear Deal all parties were happy with and now, thanks to the US getting out of the deal unprovoked and completely destroying Iran's economy, this is where we are.
It was supposed to be deployed last summer to Guam, but the Triton's are on indefinite flight hold due to a crash. Since they use the same body as a global hawk, I have a feeling the US official just got confused on the nomenclature since the Triton's aren't currently flying.
Also the Triton was designed for maritime ops; it wouldn't be the drone of choice over land if it was supposedly shot over Iran. .
This need to be repeated over and over and over again. Trump is to blame.
What has he ever backed off of? Te only thing he's pushing against is a war because even his insane base doesn't want that. He still tried to kill the ACA even when it dragged his approvals to the mid-thirties. He kept family separations up for months on end. His tariffs are still in place.
That sounds horrible. It should never have come to this. The vast majority of America doesn't want war and I can promise that I'll be in the streets if it happens.
That's his point?
If war breaks out it'll be partly because the U.S willingly broke a perfectly functioning agreement.
You are right that it was supposed to go to Guam last year, but it was supposed to be towards the end of the year, the crash in September led to them putting a hold on that. My mistake on that part.
On your point of it being designed for maritime ops, well, wasn't it downed near the coast? And I doubt there is any restriction on it flying over land if needed. But like you said, it could be a case of mistaking identity,they both look similar. Whichever one it is, I find it doubtful that it was having a stroll in international waters near Iran. More likely that some people in command thought Iran was incapable of shooting down a drone.
Yes exactly.
Irans nuke program was contained until the US realized it wanted to drop the agreement because it hates muslims.
lol @ trump not attending. not sure whether that increases or decreases the likelihood of a military response.
It was a RQ-4 Global Hawk not a Triton according to US Central Command as I expected. Still an expensive plane but hopes put the other comments to bed.
Trump hates Muslims and Iran so he unilaterally killed the agreement.
Is Bolton in the room is real question, who cares what puppet President thinks?
So the Iranians were right in that sense, I feel they might have recovered it to know exactly.
*puts on tinfoil hat*. I feel like trump is trying to get Iran to "strike first" with something big then use it to start war before the election. If the mass public believes trump is Just acting on defense of a nation he will gain extra votes. If the mass believes he started the war - he loses votes.
It's basically GWB all over again. If a equivalent scenario like 9-11 and afghan happens, he gains much. If it's a iraq scenario, he loses much.
Idk. I just dislike trump and refuse to believe he doesn't have some BS schemes planned for 2020.
There won't be a military response, and Iran knows it. Everyone knows the only play against Iran is their complete destruction, and the US isn't going to do that over an old drone or oil tankers.
There's a chance this may come back to haunt me, but I feel like most people are ignoring the fact that Trump hates war, since it's unpredictable, and loves deals, because they make him look good.
He'll try to find a way to humble Iran and then claim a yuge win no matter the actual circumstances. Because that's what Trump does.
I mean, let's look at the brain dead situation with North Korea. Iran would have to go further in order to warrant a hail storm of cruise missiles.
He'll try to find a way to humble Iran and then claim a yuge win no matter the actual circumstances. Because that's what Trump does.
I mean, let's look at the brain dead situation with North Korea. Iran would have to go further in order to warrant a hail storm of cruise missiles.
