Dreamboum

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Parasite Eve was a beloved game about a cop dealing with her past in order to save the city of New York from a parasitic threat. It expanded on the story laid out by the original novel in a way that was compelling and interesting as an horror game. The sequel didn't reach those heights, but it was still a positively regarded game.

The 3rd Birthday, however, was a gigantic mess of gargantuan proportions. I don't think a game showcased Square-Enix's creative bankruptcy to the point this game did. It was the ultimate Square trifecta : Nomura, Toriyama and Tabata walks into a bar, and the result is this radioactive fallout.

But all of this is only an excuse to showcase this legendary post from MechaX about how bad The 3rd Birthday's story truly is. Well worth a read, to the point it actually makes the game sound good.

Here it is:

MechaX said:
As bad as Secret File 3 sounds, it still doesn't top The 3rd Birthday.

Like, what in the actual fuck. Someone help me in summarizing this nonsense.

The game stars Aya Brea, a superwoman who enjoys extended youth despite being a 30+ year old cop and has superpowers thanks to her magical mitochondria. Unfortunately, mitochondria does not come up once in this game, so you just kind of have to infer it/played prior games in the series.

So now you have Aya Brea fighting tentacle monsters that can warp through space and time called "The Twisted." They seem to pour out of a gigantic organic tower that spontaneously erupted in NYC called "Babel." Naturally, some government team recruits Aya Brea and forms the "Counter Twisted Investigation" (consisting of Aya, a dude named Cray, a woman named Gabrielle, her guide named Hyde, and a computer hacker named Blank) to fight them, led by some FBI dickhead that doesn't trust Aya due to her powers. However, instead of fighting them conventionally, the government somehow builds the "Overdive" System, a computer program that sends Aya's consciousness back in time in order to possess random members of the National Guard in order to fight the Twisted that way. Whenever Aya possesses someone, it only appears to be Aya for gameplay purposes; to everyone else, it's just the same military dude. (We will let slide how this makes no sense in combination with the game's damage "gimmick" where if Aya gets damaged enough, you can potentially strip her to some shreds of her torn clothes and her bra and thong). This "send Aya back in time" plan never works.

After a spectacular failure of her first mission, she returns to the present time and learns that her dickhead FBI boss disappeared, somehow. Her guide, Hyde, is still alive and tells Aya to go back in the past again to fight more Twisted. During this mission, it is revealed through a flashback that Gabrielle actually died a few months ago. Aya does so, fails again, and comes back to the present to find out that Cray was killed offscreen three days prior, and Aya needs to go back in time to save Cray. Also, dickhead FBI Boss is alive again and threatens to kill Aya because her powers are dangerous. Hyde talks him down and convinces Aya to go back in time to save Cray. Oh yeah, Gabrielle is alive again. Aya does not sweat the details, nor does the game really explain or hint why she's alive.

Aya goes back in time three days to help out a random SWAT team and to save Cray somehow. Gabrielle is still alive and decides to be Aya's guide. Aya gets as far as destroying the Babel, but it turns out that there are multiple Babels that house a big shitload of Twisted tentacle monsters. In the present, dickhead FBI boss uses sleeping gas to knock out the team because... he wanted to send Aya to her death for... reasons. Also, Gabrielle turns into a Twisted and Aya is forced to kill her. In present day, Gabrielle wakes up, and is about to kill FBI boss, but she suddenly vanishes because Aya killed her three days prior when she turned into a Twisted. Man, what can Aya possibly do when considering that FBI boss is about to get his way and remove his most feared obstacle to [insert goal here], Aya Brea!?

... Aya travels back to the present and Cray (who is alive again despite how Aya did nothing to really save him) informs Aya that FBI Boss suddenly disappeared and Aya can do whatever the fuck she wants. That's all the explanation you get; he's just gone from the story after this point. The datalog implies that he was literally kidnapped by Russians. At this point, Hyde tells Aya to go overdive into a National Guard team that attacked Babel last and Cray has a hissy fit because of the idea of using Aya for warfare (?!). She attacks the Babel and there is a very bizarre subplot of past-Cray killing the National Guard team, impersonating the Captain, and threatening to kill Aya so he can be with his daughter again or some shit. Past-Cray tells Aya to look for her sister Eve, who Aya doesn't really remember. Past-Cray merges with the Babel and dies, and Present Cray disappears.

And then, suddenly a timeskip occurs. Aya is now rooming with a Parasite Eve 1 character, Maeda!
Too bad he is a complete and total creeper and borderline predator.

Oh yeah, Aya's team was wiped out off-screen when Aya got done with that Past-Cray/Present-Cray nonsense by Kyle, the Parasite Eve 2 equivalent of Carlos from Resident Evil 3. Kyle now has superpowers for some reason. Aya goes off and hijacks a random National Guard member (Maeda has an Overdive system of his own set up in his apartment living room somehow), fights Kyle (who turns into a super-twisted called a "High One"), and all Babels across NYC merged into one massive structure called the Grand Babel.

In the Grand Babel, it is revealed that the true villain all along was Hyde! He manipulated Aya to fight and kill the Twisted just so that the Babels would eventually merge or something, which would create the Grand Babel (which is actually an Overdive System itself, somehow), just so he could go back to a place called "Time Zero." Hyde is also a "High One" Twisted too. Aya beats Hyde, and follows him back into Time Zero, who Hyde boasts as the "birthplace of the Twisted."

It turns out that Time Zero is actually point where Aya was going to marry Kyle. But that was cut short when a random SWAT Team busts in and kills both Aya and Kyle. But remember Eve? Yeah, Eve (the same Eve from Parasite Eve 2, who was actually a child clone of Aya who was designed to control humans who mutated into grotesque forms due to out of control, artificial mitochondria) was also in attendance. Due to the shock of seeing Aya die, Eve spontaneously got the power to Overdive; she Overdived into Aya, which in turn shattered Aya's soul. The fragments of Aya's shattered soul created the Twisted tentacle monsters which could travel time and space (and killed humans indiscriminately). Also, Hyde, Cray, and Gabrielle just happened to be at this wedding despite how Aya did not really know any of them yet. Because they were there, the shattered fragments of Aya's soul turned them into High One Twisted! So you were not playing as Aya all along, but her underage adopted clone sister in a 30 year old's body. Eve/Aya fights and beats Hyde, and Eve/Aya gets the chance to travel back to the start of Time Zero!

So the SWAT comes in, shoots up Aya, but before the SWAT can kill Eve, Aya gets up and headshots every single SWAT guy in the room. Aya gets up just fine despite being riddled with bullets (and there is no explanation for this). Instead of simply just taking Aya to a hospital, Aya says that she needs to be killed by Eve anyway. To this day, like the SWAT Team appearing out of nowhere with no explanation (some people speculate that Hyde overdived into himself in the past in order to arrange the sequence of events that would turn himself into a High One), people still do not know why Aya even needs to die at this point when considering that Aya is still alive, thus there's no danger of Eve forcibly overdiving into Aya's body. Eve and Aya switch bodies and Eve (in Aya's body) shoots Aya (in Eve's body). Thus, the twisted are never formed and an underaged Eve (in Aya's body) marries Kyle in Aya's place. Huh.

Do you have anything worse than this ?
 

Mechaplum

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No I actually can't think of any, that was a train wreck happening inside a plane crashing on a planetoid smashing into Earth before being consumed by a supernova.
 
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I'd always heard PE3 was bad but

wow
 

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I will never stop hating Toriyama for this trash.

I might not care at all for what the second game did gameplay and setting-wise, but this was a whole other level of garbage.
 

vestan

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I don't think anything beats The Third Birthday but imma just leave this here.

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Celcius

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I don't know what I was expecting but after reading the entire OP all I can say is... what?
 
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Parasite Eve was a beloved game about a cop dealing with her past in order to save the city of New York from a parasitic threat. It expanded on the story laid out by the original novel in a way that was compelling and interesting as an horror game. The sequel didn't reach those heights, but it was still a positively regarded game.

The 3rd Birthday, however, was a gigantic mess of gargantuan proportions. I don't think a game showcased Square-Enix's creative bankruptcy to the point this game did. It was the ultimate Square trifecta : Nomura, Toriyama and Tabata walks into a bar, and the result is this radioactive fallout.

But all of this is only an excuse to showcase this legendary post from MechaX about how bad The 3rd Birthday's story truly is. Well worth a read, to the point it actually makes the game sound good.

Here it is:



Do you have anything worse than this ?
OMG those paragraphs were amazing and ridiculous. LOL.
 

Nights

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I'd rather deal with all that than Ys 8's 35-40 hour cliche "stuck on an island" story for a majority of the game, where basically nothing happens. The story gets decent when the only relevant character joins near the end. I've never actually hated a story as much as Ys 8. I'd rather watch a boring movie with at least somewhat of a plot over the literal "we gotta git off dis island" for 40 hours.
 

Kapryov

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That story sounds entertainingly bad!
It also sounds like they were writing it as they were building the game.
 

Musubi

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Yeah as much of a Parasite EVE fan as I am and as much as I even stan for PE2 which a lot of people hated The 3rd Birthday is just some fucking hot ass trash.
 

Strings

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I'd rather deal with all that than Ys 8's 35-40 hour cliche "stuck on an island" story for a majority of the game, where basically nothing happens. The story gets decent when the only relevant character joins near the end. I've never actually hated a story as much as Ys 8. I'd rather watch a boring movie with at least somewhat of a plot over the literal "we gotta git off dis island" for 40 hours.
Honestly, outside of like one cringe moment near the start, Ys 8 is so inoffensive that I can't really see how you'd get so worked up over it.

Also, give Kitase his due OP. He was involved in this trainwreck too!
I never understood why it was so hard to just not care about telling a story if you don't really have a story to tell.

Just... don't even bother. If the developer doesn't care about the story they are telling then why should the players? Why should anyone on either side of a game beat their heads trying to make it through a convoluted narrative?
I mean, they do care. In this case, both the writer and director have a strong history of focusing their games on stories that aren't worth a damn.
 

HotHamBoy

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I never understood why it was so hard to just not care about telling a story if you don't really have a story to tell.

Just... don't even bother. If the developer doesn't care about the story they are telling then why should the players? Why should anyone on either side of a game beat their heads trying to make it through a convoluted narrative?

Mario has to save the pricess.

No one gives a fuck about any of the whys.
 

Patazord

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I replayed 1 and 2 recently and wanted to try again The 3rd Birthday and no, i just can't beat it, the story is just a fucking mess, i can't believe people got paid to write this crap, i still have no idea if this is a sequel or a reboot because they completly ignore a lot of event/fact of the first 2.
 

entrydenied

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I like the gameplay but the story is really one of a kind lol

I don't think I've encountered a story that gave no fucks about what direction it goes, especially when it's a story about time travel.
 

Mechaplum

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I never understood why it was so hard to just not care about telling a story if you don't really have a story to tell.

Just... don't even bother. If the developer doesn't care about the story they are telling then why should the players? Why should anyone on either side of a game beat their heads trying to make it through a convoluted narrative?

Mario has to save the pricess.

No one gives a fuck about any of the whys.

It's about expectations. I don't think many get into a Mario game for the story. For instance story very heavily factors into my enjoyment of a game but with Astro Bot I have no qualms that it's not very narrative focused. It has a short, charming and direct plot just like Mario and thats fine.
 
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I dunno ff13 is about as bad. Time travel plus very vaguely explained transformations and "otherized" basically alien unknown species that are convolutedly related to the protagonist in that one too!
 

Dukie85

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This is the game that killed off Parasite Eve... I fucking hate it :'(
 

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The 3rd Birthday is one of the biggest disappointments I've ever experienced gaming wise. I absolutely adore Parasite Eve 1 and really like 2 so was really looking forward to it when it came out. Needless to say I hated what they did to Aya and just, ugh. Utter pish.
 

Unknownlight

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While nothing can come close to topping The 3rd Birthday's story, I feel we at least have to give an honorable mention to the train wreck of a story that was Sonic 06.

Luckily, the game erased itself from the timeline at the end. Even the writers knew that they had dug themselves into a pit of insanity and hastily hit the emergency reset button.
 

Jawmuncher

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You know I bought this game full-price and beat it. Don't remember a damn thing about it besides the taking over mechanic and how your clothes got destroyed. I don't recall gameplay being terrible. But yeah for a 3rd PE game after all that time, didn't seem to live up to anything.

Graphics are still very nice though.
 

Nights

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Honestly, outside of like one cringe moment near the start, Ys 8 is so inoffensive that I can't really see how you'd get so worked up over it.
Its less worked up over it and more why is there 40 hours of basically the same thing repeated over and over. I feel like Ys 8 would have been so much better had they trimmed the fat of the story and gave a little more freedom in exploration. I can only take so much "Find a person, we need to get off this island, repeat" for so long. I'd rather something with ANY kind of substance other than the same thing over and over. Even the Primordial thing got pretty old, pretty fast. It then turned into find person, we need to get off this island, darn primordials, repeat. Dana's story is genuinely the only real story in the whole game, and I just wish it was focused on her from the start and trimmed so many scenes that just had little to no importance. Hell, half the characters of the main cast have little to no plot purpose either. A lot of the game just feels pointless to me. Which IMHO is more damning than just being plain bad or nonsensical.
 

ULTROS!

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From all the games I've played, nothing tops T3B's story in terms of WTFness. Like confusing WTFness.

Even if KH is convoluted, it's at least more understandable than T3B.

At least T3B's gameplay is fun.

Same dude.
Toriyama is a terrible director and should be fired.

From a cannon.

Frankly I haven't heard from Toriyama for quite some time. His last major work as a director was Mobius: FF, the rest are Special Thanks.
 

entrydenied

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I dunno ff13 is about as bad. Time travel plus very vaguely explained transformations and "otherized" basically alien unknown species that are convolutedly related to the protagonist in that one too!

There's no time travel in XIII. If you're talking about XIII-2 it is still not as convoluted. The whole changing the future to change the past thing is easy to understand if you think of it this way: When someone changes an event, the past is automatically changed to compensate for the change/lead the chain of events to that outcome.

3rd Birthday's storyline goes this way: Someone dies from eating Ice Cream A. You eliminate Ice Cream A and goes to a new timeline. Suddenly 3 other characters are dead for no reason and the person you saved is now evil. They don't even try to mask why things happen.
 

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I never understood why it was so hard to just not care about telling a story if you don't really have a story to tell.

Just... don't even bother. If the developer doesn't care about the story they are telling then why should the players? Why should anyone on either side of a game beat their heads trying to make it through a convoluted narrative?

Mario has to save the pricess.

No one gives a fuck about any of the whys.
Someone page this to Square Enix re: Tomb Raider

"Lara Croft likes to raid tombs" :p
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I'd be interested in knowing what the original storyline was back when it was a mobile game and was still called Parasite Eve, I've read some things here and there about deleted chapters and plot points but nothing concrete. It's very obvious the game was patched together from different scripts.
 
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I'd rather deal with all that than Ys 8's 35-40 hour cliche "stuck on an island" story for a majority of the game, where basically nothing happens. The story gets decent when the only relevant character joins near the end. I've never actually hated a story as much as Ys 8. I'd rather watch a boring movie with at least somewhat of a plot over the literal "we gotta git off dis island" for 40 hours.

Falcom absolutely has a bloat and redundancy problem. Also if they're gonna continue making Ys games proper-sized RPG's they should hire new writers. I love everything else about Ys Seven but the writing is just so fucking uninteresting it prevents me from playing it again (also the final boss sucks).
 

RestEerie

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it's just typical square enix 'anime-esque' BS post the 32bit era...

i will get flame but i will say it anyway...it's no different than the 'story' that is kingdom hearts series.