So instead of The Switch just change it the Wii U, same shit. The game was compromised by whatever hardware they had. The Wii U was already outdated in 2012.
So was the XBox One and PS4, and EVERY CONSOLE, EVER upon their launch, by virtue of the fact that CONSOLES DON'T ECLIPSE PCS. Your point is!?
Nail on the head. All the people saying nintendo doesnt need powerful hardware because their games are cartoons are being silly. Better lighting, textures, resolution, AA, can do wonders to better fully realize an art style. The wooded kingdom could look ridiculously better if it was built from the ground up for ps4.
Yea, not blown up on a full-screen TV.
Versus the kind of fidelity we're seeing on other consoles.
Nail on the head. All the people saying nintendo doesnt need powerful hardware because their games are cartoons are being silly. Better lighting, textures, resolution, AA, can do wonders to better fully realize an art style. The wooded kingdom could look ridiculously better if it was built from the ground up for ps4.
And New Donk City being the ugliest place in the entire game. And that gif is not even looking great or anything.I love the comparison of a small gif in motion to a large, static, screenshot
Read the thread maybe? People in this thread have been saying that Nintendo games don't need anymore power and aren't gimped by their hardware.
that's pretty dumb to say when the PS4 is cheaper than the Switch right now...in fact i say they're paying more to make this tech smaller than what they could charge for a $300 straight console using x86 architecture. and the games would look a lot better on that hardware.The days of the GameCube will never come back though. Nintendo isn't willing to directly compete hardware wise anymore. And I think development has become to expensive on that level anyway.
Nah I was talking about software. That Nintendo likes high marges for hardware and software isn't really a secret anymore.that's pretty dumb to say when the PS4 is cheaper than the Switch right now...in fact i say they're paying more to make this tech smaller than what they could charge for a $300 straight console using x86 architecture. and the games would look a lot better on that hardware.
I do like my switch though, but lets call it what it is. powerful for a handheld. not powerful as a console.
EDIT: I think i misread your statement. i thought you were talking about developing the hardware not software.
Bayonetta and XCX definitely are in the realm of "photorealistic"...
This doesnt make any sense. Wind waker looks good, but could be improved with better hardware. So could odyssey. Whats wrong with wanting nintendo to be remotely with the times when it comes to graphical standards and technology? I think the wooded kingdom and metro kingdom dont look that great graphically and could greatly benefit and more fully realize their artistic vision with the more powerful hardware we have now. People acting like cartoony graphics dont require as much power arent treating that art style with respect. They require just as much horse power, or depending on the game even more, as realistic games. Better hardware just makes developers more able to fully realize their vision. And also allows all those third party games that cant run on the system currently to be ported over.No, you are one that are being silly, fact is that Nintendo doesn't need powerful hardware, Nintendo games on Switch look good even they dont have best IQ, they looked good even on Wii U.
Offcourse that they could look better with stronger hardware but that could be said for any console or platform, even with PS4.
This doesnt make any sense. Wind waker looks good, but could be improved with better hardware. So could odyssey.
Whats wrong with wanting nintendo to be remotely with the times when it comes to graphical standards and technology? I think the wooded kingdom and metro kingdom dont look that great graphically and could greatly benefit and more fully realize their artistic vision with the more powerful hardware we have now.
People acting like cartoony graphics dont require as much power arent treating that art style with respect. They require just as much horse power, or depending on the game even more, as realistic games. Better hardware just makes developers more able to fully realize their vision. And also allows all those third party games that cant run on the system currently to be ported over.
I'd prefer that they got out of hardware altogether, or at least went multi-platform, than going for more powerful hardware.
Keep making low-end portable hardware, and build the games for that to keep costs down, but release the games everywhere else too.
Games like Breath of the Wild can actually look good when they're not running on Nintendo hardware.
Yea, maybe if your TV is 6 inches. Odyssey looks awful on a big TV. Some of the worst image quality I've ever seen.
No one needs better hardware. Youre right. PS4 could technically still be on PS3 hardware and still exist. But you could greatly benefit from it graphically, fully realize your art style, and make your games run much better. And have more third party games.It totally make sense, what you wrote in previous post dont make sense, clear fact is that Nintendo doesnt need powerful hardware,
their games look quite good on Switch even if they dont have best IQ.
Like I wrote, ofcourse that they could look better with stronger hardware but that could be said for any console or platform, even for PS4.
Nothing is wrong with that (exept point that with Switch we talking about handheld hardware),
but its wrong to think that Nintendo need more powerful hardware when it's fact it doesn't need.
And those people are right, more cartoony graphics or art style are less demanding than realistic graphics. Do you think MK8D could run on Switch at 1080p/60fps if we talking about realistic graphic? Offcourse not.
No one needs better hardware. Youre right. PS4 could technically still be on PS3 hardware and still exist. But you could greatly benefit from it graphically, fully realize your art style, and make your games run much better. And have more third party games.
But your last point is completley false. If mario kart 8 had realistic graphics and still ran at 1080p 60fps, it would probably look like a slightly better ps3 game. Just like mario kart 8 looks like a slightly better ps3 game graphically. Youre not giving cartoon style graphics enough credit. Just cause they look decent doesnt mean we should say "eh, good enough" and call it a day. They can look so much better with more power. I know it sounds crazy, but the jump from mario kart Wii to Mario Kart 8 can happen again with better hardware, and make mario kart 8 look as dated as Wii.
I have a feeling we're just gonna be repeating the same things over and over, but i got a 4 year degree in 3D design and am currently developing 3d models for a company so yeah.
I said "All the people saying nintendo doesnt need more powerful hardware because their games are cartoons are being silly. ". Thats different. All I was saying that cartoons require just as much powerful hardware as realistic graphics and if they want their games to look as good as other consoles around right now they would need better hardware. Which is true. I think youre misinterpreting what im saying.Like I wrote, ofcourse that they could look better with stronger hardware but that could be said for any console or platform, even for PS4.
But that like saying water is wet, no one arguing with that.
We can say we disagree, hardly that Mario can have realistic graphic and in same time running at locked 1080p/60fps on Switch hardware.
I don't say good enough, I say MK8D looks great, of course it could be look even better with more taxe AA implication, but again thats a point, every game on any platform/hardware could look even better with stronger hardware.
So you clerly missing point, I never said that game cant look better with stronger hardware (lol), again even PS4 games can look even better with stronger hardware, I just made reply to you because you wrote "need" for more powerful hardware, like that's something essentially they need to do.
If image quality is a big issue for you, then the Switch is better un-docked. Image quality will never be the system's strong suit, sadly, but it has other perks.
Just look at how Nintendo is struggling to even provide games for the SW, basically creating another Wii U drought and relying on Wii U ports. How bad would it be if they were trying to develop for a PS4 level system? It just isn't going to happen any more.
I think you're taking it the wrong way. The artstyle is adapted to the engine and not the other way. With more processing power BotW would have a different artstyle with less compromises and Mario would surely be very different. Nintendo's strongest virtue is that they make the game before everything else. They've showed multiple times how the map of BotW was made once the core gameplay was set. The same was true for Splatoon.All I was saying that cartoons require just as much powerful hardware as realistic graphics and if they want their games to look as good as other consoles around right now they would need better hardware.
spyro and ratchet fluff games. Got no weight at all and you float everywhereYea, not blown up on a full-screen TV.
Versus the kind of fidelity we're seeing on other consoles.
I'd prefer that they got out of hardware altogether, or at least went multi-platform, than going for more powerful hardware.
Keep making low-end portable hardware, and build the games for that to keep costs down, but release the games everywhere else too.
Games like Breath of the Wild can actually look good when they're not running on Nintendo hardware.
I disagree. Theres a lot Nintendo could do to make breath of the wild look better. Fixing up all the shitty looking rocks and textures, more npcs, better draw distance, better IQ and framerate, higher polycounts, etc. And they could make it look in the same art style. The issue with the Wii U windwaker was that it had a shit art direction and didn't try to enhance what wind waker was going for but instead changed the art style for the worse.I think you're taking it the wrong way. The artstyle is adapted to the engine and not the other way. With more processing power BotW would have a different artstyle with less compromises and Mario would surely be very different. Nintendo's strongest virtue is that they make the game before everything else. They've showed multiple times how the map of BotW was made once the core gameplay was set. The same was true for Splatoon.
Stronger hardware doesn't always make games look better. The Wii U version of Wind Waker was terrible to look at, because accentuating shadows and more detailed models only ruined the cell shaded artstyle.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.Bayonetta and XCX definitely are in the realm of "photorealistic".
No one needs better hardware. Youre right. PS4 could technically still be on PS3 hardware and still exist. But you could greatly benefit from it graphically, fully realize your art style, and make your games run much better. And have more third party games.
But your last point is completley false. If mario kart 8 had realistic graphics and still ran at 1080p 60fps, it would probably look like a slightly better ps3 game. Just like mario kart 8 looks like a slightly better ps3 game graphically. Youre not giving cartoon style graphics enough credit. Just cause they look decent doesnt mean we should say "eh, good enough" and call it a day. They can look so much better with more power. I know it sounds crazy, but the jump from mario kart Wii to Mario Kart 8 can happen again with better hardware, and make mario kart 8 look as dated as Wii.
I have a feeling we're just gonna be repeating the same things over and over, but i got a 4 year degree in 3D design and am currently developing 3d models for a company so yeah.