Yeah I agree with this. Magneto's motivation is based on the evils and bigotry and genocide of this world. Having him teleport in from elsewhere would just cheapen it when there's already multiple characters still hanging around from WWII for one fantasy reason or another.
Drop the holocaust angle and make him a Palestinian victim from Israel's genocide.
That's not how mutants are being set up in the MCU. Ms. Marvel should've made that clear. Mutants will be from the main MCU, not from another timeline (Deadpool aside). Some would've been around the whole time, like Magneto/Wolverine/Xavier. But most will begin to pop up more recently.Ywh sure. A huge part is him seeing his people, mutants, again treated like his people were in the holocaust when he was powerless and could do nothing.
He can't have just aged slowly as the idea him and all other mutants just weren't noticed doesn't work.
Him being frozen or whatever means all other mutants weren't noticed still which doesn't work.
Having them all cross from another timeline is not only perfectly set up by the recent films, but allows everything about them to remain intact.
It's the most obvious answer and, imo, it's clearly where they're headed.
No you can't, because if he existed so did all mutants and the idea they all stayed under the radar just doesn't work.
All they need to do is multi-verse it and they can merge them in with all their origins intact.
Not sure why people are against that, it literally solves every issue and they have set it up perfectly.
It wouldn't at all though.Yeah I agree with this. Magneto's motivation is based on the evils and bigotry and genocide of this world. Having him teleport in from elsewhere would just cheapen it when there's already multiple characters still hanging around from WWII for one fantasy reason or another.
AgreedI've suggested making him Palestinian but they don't have the balls.
That's not how mutants are being set up in the MCU. Ms. Marvel should've made that clear.
Did you quote the wrong person? I seem to be saying the sme thing you are.Because it's much more important you don't pussyfoot around the backstory of arguably the most famous fictional Jewish character in media, or whitewash it as something else, because some people wouldn't like just adding "he aged slowly" to his arbitrary secondary power list.
I just don't get why you'd have a character whose motivation is entirely rooted in the Holocaust and not have it be the Holocaust that happened in the same universe the story is set in. Anything else weakens his case, as his argument isn't just 'this genocide was inflicted on Jewish people and is now happening to mutants', it's also 'this was done to me, I remember, I was there'.It wouldn't at all though.
He would have existed through all if that, and we simply show that mutants are immediately feared and treated poorly in the current MCU universe and it perfectly blends in.
We have everything we need for this
The accords in Civil War show the government and people already fear super powered beings. Having mutants arrive, some from another timeline and some already here, would easily click in with that and extend the fears already there into new legislations where mutants are hounded and feared.
The multiverse solution I'd already set up.
It all clicks in, nothing is lost because it happened in a other universe. The same people in those universes who hounded mutants could exist here, to the mutants who crossed it could be set up to not even be a stumble in the persecution they faced or any of their motivations.
All that showed was mutants exist hers already. We literally saw Charles in another universe in Dr Strange. Imo rhey are both setting up mutants here and will use multi-verse to solve all the issues.
Perfect solution.
I've suggested making him Palestinian but they don't have the balls.
It would still the same holocaust? That doesn't change it just because one universe had mutants existing during it, it doesn't lessen into jmpact.I just don't get why you'd have a character whose motivation is entirely rooted in the Holocaust and not have it be the Holocaust that happened in the same universe the story is set in.
You don't need to do it for everything at all.I don't see why you need to do multiverse for everything. There are ways to have the X-Men as we know them be in our main continuity with little issue. MoM having Xavier was mainly an easter egg, like the rest of the Illuminati.
The irony here is it is the simplest solution, and others are trying to complicate it.Some of y'all really trying to make this complicated by bringing the multiverse into this.
People are more hooked on using the multiverse for everything than the MCU actually has been.Some of y'all really trying to make this complicated by bringing the multiverse into this.
I don't see how that simpler compared to just saying they've been around the whole time, but in smaller numbers until now.You don't need to do it for everything at all.
It is simply a perfect solution for this situation.
The irony here is it is the simplest solution, and others are trying to complicate it.
Anything involving multiverses and removing the personal connection to the history of the main universe the story is set in is way more complex than 'turns out Magneto has a mutant power that slows his aging slightly because something something magnetic field or something something nazi super-science experiment'.The irony here is it is the simplest solution, and others are trying to complicate it.
I definitely think merging universes is a bit much this early in the multiverse storyThe irony here is it is the simplest solution, and others are trying to complicate it.
Them existing for this entire time brings in too many other issues you need to resolve like Magnetos origins and placement in history as he rose to prominence, Professor X whose establishment of the X-Men was tied to the exact events that causes Magnetos rise through history, and long lived characters like Wolverine who are also tied to specific parts of history.I don't see how that simpler compared to just saying they've been around the whole time, but in smaller numbers until now.
I really don't. The MCU has already sped through a bunch of comic stories that were far more long lived in original print.I definitely think merging universes is a bit much this early in the multiverse story
They ca not be concealed. Their entire point t is fighting a world that fears and hates them. That us core to the very foundation of both Magneto and Charle's character, the formation of the X-men.The simplest solution is telepathic mutants were wiping the memories of mutants from peoples minds to conceal and keep themselves safe. Fits in universe and doesn't need a 'oh they call suddenly appeared from a multiverse' angle.
Did you quote the wrong person? I seem to be saying the sme thing you are.
His backstory is too important imo, and that includes all.the moments in history he lived through as he rose to prominence as a villain.
It's reall not that at all, see myreply below.No, I quoted you, because "oh actually he's not from here" is practically the definition of pussyfooting around his backstory. Don't pretend he wasn't involved in the very real incidents that make up his backstory, or pretend they're actually the cause of some other reality.
Fuck that, he aged slowly, and he took part in events. Saying "oohhh noo, he can't have done that, they would have mentioned him by now!" like they didn't have superhero aliens fighting a small part of a war on Earth added in Captain Marvel, or timetravelling Kamala, or giant space planet aliens visiting in disguise and knocking the locals up while planting planet destruction seeds, or Captain america travelling back in time and living his life with Peggy or other supersoliders than Cap/Bucky existing and running around actively, or any other of hundreds of things that just went unmentioned until they mentioned it as a thing that happened.
There's no stretch at all to say magnetos backstory happened as is in the main universe, and nobody but you and a tiny handful of people will care at all in the slightest.
It's really not.Anything involving multiverses and removing the personal connection to the history of the main universe the story is set in is way more complex than 'turns out Magneto has a mutant power that slows his aging slightly because something something magnetic field or something something nazi super-science experiment'.
Multiverse stuff works better when it's rare, when it's used for a purpose that's vital to the story or character (like America Chavez, Dr Strange, Into the Spiderverse). Not when it's just wheeled out whenever to solve a small plothole that can be addressed with a single offhand sentence.
For me Magneto's ties to the evils of WWII in the main Marvel Universe are even stronger than Captain America. If you wouldnt have him teleport in from alternate America because it's vital he grew up in New York in the main reality, I'd be even less inclined to do it to Magneto to solve the age plot hole that can be answered in seconds with a few words.
lol I mean come on.Change the holocaust origin to an immigrant crossing the boarder and having his parents killed.
Not that it's on the same level but it's what I could see working... or have him be a survivor of one of the more recent genocides in history.
Just say he's looking young for his age and get an actor in their 40s.
If someone questions it, let him talk about healthy living and anti aging creams
Lots of people wanting to get rid of the holocaust thing and also his jewish origin story. Shocking on Era.
Just have him survive the holocaust and be slow aging. Its not that hard.
lol I mean come on.
Some of y'all really trying to make this complicated by bringing the multiverse into this.
Which is why you can just have him get captured by Hydra during the war and put in containment. He was released after Hydra fell. Solved.
To be fair Namor always had that one. It's still canon he fought with cap in WWIIGuess what, his mutant abilities now conveniently include aging more slowly
Multiverse is also a "non-issue" that would just work, so while I honestly wouldn't actually care what they did this, I find people calling multiverse "too complex" (when it is not oy perfecrly set up, but is also the simplest way of just dumping the in with everything intact) pretty strange.Agreed, it's totally unnecessary. Just make mutants really rare, and have them be very secretive. Nobody had an issue with Hank Pym operating as Ant-Man decades ago or Captain Marvel being around before the first Iron Man. It's a complete non-issue.