No one should be encouraged to draw anime. You do that shit on your own time. At home in a dark cellar away from normal people.
I think its because ten years ago it was still a unknown thing to most art teachers that they didn't know how to grade properly. It doesn't help that these type of books were the norm back then being sold in book fairs.
If you're trying to become an artist by simply doing what's most safe and profitable, you should just quit. You've already failed.Art teachers don't think Anime is ugly, they know that students in America will not be able to build careers on Japanese styles
I still have this book in my closetI think its because ten years ago it was still a unknown thing to most art teachers that they didn't know how to grade properly. It doesn't help that these type of books were the norm back then being sold in book fairs.
I consider myself a bit of an artist. I've won a couple of art shows, sold some commissions, nothing truly noteworthy, but I like drawing. I used to be a lot more passionate about it.
When I was a senior in highschool, they had a new art teacher come in. He claimed to be responsible for a lot of the concept art for the transformers movies and some of the art in the Coca Cola headquarters. I don't know if either thing is true or not but I believed him back then, and respected him immensely. For one brief moment he was my inspiration and hero. I had been wanting to become a manga artist and writer or an animator for quite a while. So I took that inspiration and ran with it, started making what i could, trying to refine it and become an artist worthy of paying attention to.
One day in class he walked over to see what I was working on. I was drawing a new character I had come up with, and I was eager for his input and advice. The first thing out of his mouth was that I should stop wasting my time drawing garbage, and that anime wasn't real art. He made fun of me for daring to draw something like that in his classroom, and started talking about marketability and how only pathetic losers think that kind of stuff is art.
I was devastated. This man, who I had considered perhaps the only hero I had ever had, had just told me my dream was nothing but trash. After that I stopped drawing very much, and completely stopped drawing things I liked,and I stopped enjoying my own art all together. After I graduated highschool, I put my pen down for a full four years before I would even try to draw anything again. And I still cant always work up the willpower to draw when I sit down, even though my desire to create is the same, because ever since then I've doubted everything I've drawn and wanted to make.
Please, educators, parents, everyone, don't tell your children they shouldn't enjoy the art they make. Don't tell them it's not profitable, or that its pathetic, or that they should give up. Encourage them, give them constructive criticism, help them to keep growing as an artist. You never know how profound an affect a careless comment can affect a kid.
Sorry if this came across as whiny or long winded.
Animation is the most sellout tier art form don't give me that shit.If you're trying to become an artist by simply doing what's most safe and profitable, you should just quit. You've already failed.
I'm not the least bit surprised to see stupid posts like this.
If you're trying to become an artist by simply doing what's most safe and profitable, you should just quit. You've already failed.
Lol, my brother had this book and it inspired us to start our own comic series.I think its because ten years ago it was still a unknown thing to most art teachers that they didn't know how to grade properly. It doesn't help that these type of books were the norm back then being sold in book fairs.
You want to draw anime, then fucking draw anime is my point.Animation is the most sellout tier art form don't give me that shit.
uhhh I got bad news for you buddy.
ain't nothing about this easy, or safe. Cause this is what you're competing with on a weekly basis: https://www.artstation.com/artwork?medium=digital2d
Honestly, this is true. And it's the same as if your portfolio was strictly Western comic book super heroes in the popular style.I mean there's a balance. A lot of weebs get stuck drawing "anime" style trying to emulate their favorite anime while ignoring basic important shit that is fundamental to developing their own style. People who submit portfolios only full of anime to get into an art school are a problem. The school wants to know if you can do stuff like still life more than how closely you can copy Dragonball Z.
This is an amazing book. I don't know how this shit gets published.I had the red one, but it at least was decent compare to other books. It's not hard to understand the teacher's argurment when the anime boom happened, as many people tried to make a quick buck out of it.
yall its gonna b okI hope you and this art teacher are both haunted by the vengeful ghost of Tezuka Osamu for the rest of your life.
Hi No Tori is probably one of the most beautiful pieces of art/fiction ever created. His sense for panel and page layout is still one of the best every put to paper.
Pure ignorance.
I can understand trying to encourage a student who is focusing too much on anime style to branch out, but that's not what is happening.
What is that monstrosity ??I had the red one, but it at least was decent compare to other books. It's not hard to understand the teacher's argurment when the anime boom happened, as many people tried to make a quick buck out of it.
A lot of weebs get stuck drawing "anime" style trying to emulate their favorite anime while ignoring basic important shit that is fundamental to developing their own style. People who submit portfolios only full of anime to get into an art school are a problem. The school wants to know if you can do stuff like still life more than how closely you can copy Dragonball Z.
Ding ding dingNobody should start off by learning anime. The best anime artists know "traditional" art like the back of their hands. Masters of fundamentals top to bottom.
Me? Yeah, I get to work with some of the greatest art directors and artists in the gaming industry on a daily basis.
Drawing anime style is fine, but if you don't have the basics down and are just using the style to disguise that fact then the teacher is probably in the right. You gotta know what the rules are and how to apply them before you start bending or breaking them. It's like that with pretty much every creative endeavor.
An illustration student drawing in "marvel" style and drawing Spider-Gwen tier art would be demonstrating a much larger understanding of the fundamentals of art than a student drawing their favorite anime of the month. And would most definitely be more willing to show a willingness to deviate from that style than a student who's bread and butter is "I like anime so I draw anime." Don't even get me started on how often they get stuck on solely drawing 3/4th view.I would be surprised if someone emulating Marvel and drawing some really sick Spider-Gwen art would be discouraged in the same way, despite the fact
that American comics are a lot more limited in the range of stuff you see for popular consumption in comparison to manga.
An illustration student drawing in "marvel" style and drawing Spider-Gwen tier art would be demonstrating a much larger understanding of the fundamentals of art than a student drawing their favorite anime of the month. And would most definitely be more willing to show a willingness to deviate from that style than a student who's bread and butter is "I like anime so I draw anime."
Actually no, speaking from direct experience.You are just making up shit and drawing from your own bias and head canon.
What if you compared someone who is a huge Greg Land fan to someone who is emulating Satoshi Kon?
Now THIS is what making up shit and drawing from your own bias and headcanon looks like. You're talking about hypotheticals instead of acknowledging what the average quality of art students who solely draw anime actually looks like.So someone drawing Tezuka-tier landscapes would lack fundamentals? That's manga style too.
We didn't mind kids drawing manga / anime, because it was good that they were drawing at all, it only became an issue when they ONLY wanted to draw manga / anim.
Let me just confirm this, from my experience, the students who rigidly stuck to solely drawing anime and never branching out and/or outright refused to learn the fundamentals routinely produced the worst work. Many uni professors who discourage that style would tell you the exact same.
Actually no, speaking from direct experience.
Now THIS is what making up shit and drawing from your own bias and headcanon about what the average quality of art students who solely draw anime actually looks like.
Let me just confirm this, from my experience, the students who rigidly stuck to solely drawing anime and never branching out and/or outright refused to learn the fundamentals routinely produced the worst work. Many uni professors who discourage that style would tell you the exact same.
I can understand trying to encourage a student who is focusing too much on anime style to branch out, but that's not what is happening.
Let me just confirm this, from my experience, the students who rigidly stuck to solely drawing anime and never branching out and/or outright refused to learn the fundamentals routinely produced the worst work. Many uni professors who discourage that style would tell you the exact same.
Again, you keep talking about this mythical student who's mastered the basic fundamentals of art by solely drawing anime/manga. The sooner you learn o acknowledge the average quality of art from the students who rigidly stick to anime the sooner you'll realize why it's so heavily discouraged. It's very rarely a case by case scenario, in fact it's actually quite impressive how consistently you get the see the same types of students.So you would approve of a blanket ban that would actively work against someone who did excel in that style,
This is solely because you're not actually thinking about the reality of the situation and instead keep insisting on thinking about the hypothetical student who has a way larger understanding of the fundamentals of art than the average student who draws anime and only anime.I am saying that telling someone that an entire field of artistic expression is not worth their time is a bad way to encourage creativity and is absolutely a western-centric idea.
a whole bunch of posts in this thread are basically "artists-in-training should learn to do the fundamentals and art teachers should compel them to step out of their anime-only safe zone" but that is not at all what the premise of this thread is. the professor in the OP is saying "hey, you know that anime elective that the school recommends for art students to take? it's worthless and anime is trash and the entire computer animation department refuses to recognize it is even valid and if you submit literally anything that even has anime influences i will fail you."
Again, you keep talking about this mythical student who's mastered the basic fundamentals of art by solely drawing anime/manga. The sooner you learn o acknowledge the average quality of art from the students who rigidly stick to anime the sooner you'll realize why it's so heavily discouraged. It's very rarely a case by case scenario, in fact it's actually quite impressive how consistently you get the see the same types of students.
This is solely because you're not actually thinking about the reality of the situation and instead keep insisting on thinking about the hypothetical student who has a way larger understanding of the fundamentals of art than the average student who draws anime and only anime.
Innocence or Innocence Rouge.What manga is this? For some reason image search is not working for me. And, is it a good manga or just a good drawing? I'm interested.
Something that can't be taught with western animation? (Let's not even get into the working conditions of the anime industry vs western studios even with outsourcing considered..).But that's not what is happening here. This is a computer animation prof. telling his students that he will not recognize their credits if they dare to take another class offered by the same university that teaches manga and anime style. What exactly does that accomplish? Do you really believe that JP animation has nothing to teach in regards to keyframing and such?
I'd have to see what exactly the class entails and what the average work it produces to get a full read of the topic. But again, I can absolutely take a guess at exactly what student that class attracts the most.If a student needs to be encouraged to branch out, then he should take the necessary steps.
Nothing you have said has proven to me why a blanket ban on that class would be a positive thing.
It's literally one class out of dozens that a student would need to complete the major I assume.
Thank you, I'll check it out.