HBO will make all nine episodes of Watchmen available for free this weekend
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the Hooded Justice ep feels like something Jordan Peele could've written. It's brilliant.
Watchmen takes up much less time though and honestly, I find it hard to believe TLOU2 can tackle some of the themes about violence, anger, revenge, justice and societal response to a cataclysmic event better than some of the episodes in this series. It's quite ok point about current anxieties. I was more into it more for the pure emotions than the plot.
Not sure about that. My Brilliant Friend is up there too. I have to say Watchmen and Chernobyl does show HBO's ability to capture the zeitgeist though.
Tulsa stuff is cool, but this is a series who has a black protagonist who's entire social circle is comprised of white people, her white children [rest is spoilers...]
Let's not get too crazy.
hahahah. I enjoyed the show.. but yeah.
and a husband who is a white demigod pretending to be a black man. Additionally, the main villain of the story is a person of color saying "fuck this racist ass world."
Let's not get too crazy.
hahahah. I enjoyed the show.. but yeah.
The idea of the liberal run USA were poorly executed when trying to use it as a direct allegory for how that would look in America today or extending some of the ideas to their natural conclusion, but I think that is was paying respect to Moore's original comic continuity with Robert Redford being elected to office and spending more than 2 terms in office. Also, they wanted a reason for Veidt to have a key role in the show, so him being a liberal with a plot in the original comic that could be seen as him creating his own lberal utopia, I could see why they went the direction in the show that they did (I haven't read the original graphic novel to be fair, only have seen the motion comic and the movie and read discussion about the graphic novel and elements in it that aren't contained in either other media but have evidently been referenced by the show). But yeah, being able to have a plot that creates a liberal "deep state" that attempts to control narratives to have a liberal president reigning for years is clunky, and there are lots of ideas that are clunky or problematic when trying to extrapolate ideas from this alternative universe to ours in 1:1 direct allegory (like much fiction I can think of, unfortunately), but while I would have liked them to explore some themes deeper and find a better way to tie those themes to the plot, I think how deep and relevant it manages to express and explore some of it's themes, it does deserve a lot of credit, even if it should have gone further.
I think looking back, writing and shooting the Veidt stuff first due to scheduling and timing constraints and then building the show around that side plot ultimately hurt what the show could have been. The show could have done more with more episodes, but I think trying to tie it into Veidt and other original characters felt like weakpoints for the show in some ways rather than strengths. The original character create for some interesting references, continuity, and continued exploration of themes from the original graphic novel, but for me, the original characters felt a bit off in Lindelof's interpretation of how they would be today and they take away from the show at times by trying to reimagine them, while honoring their legacy, while making them relevant to the plot, etc. when the best, most poignant stuff in the show is the elements that were original creations that were inspired by the events from the original.
I'm interested in doing a rewatch due to recent events, since it feels even more relevant now. Everyone wearing masks due to Covid-19 and police covering their badge numbers, it feels oddly prescient. Even things like highlighting the realities of the Tulsa Massacre and white supremacist infiltration in the police force and working with politicians are things that seem like unbelievable fiction to people, but introducing and confronting people with those ideas, which are very based in reality, offset some of the clunky handling, under-exploration of themes, and many other flaws for me.
I think looking back, writing and shooting the Veidt stuff first due to scheduling and timing constraints and then building the show around that side plot ultimately hurt what the show could have been. The show could have done more with more episodes, but I think trying to tie it into Veidt and other original characters felt like weakpoints for the show in some ways rather than strengths. The original character create for some interesting references, continuity, and continued exploration of themes from the original graphic novel, but for me, the original characters felt a bit off in Lindelof's interpretation of how they would be today and they take away from the show at times by trying to reimagine them, while honoring their legacy, while making them relevant to the plot, etc. when the best, most poignant stuff in the show is the elements that were original creations that were inspired by the events from the original.
I'm interested in doing a rewatch due to recent events, since it feels even more relevant now. Everyone wearing masks due to Covid-19 and police covering their badge numbers, it feels oddly prescient. Even things like highlighting the realities of the Tulsa Massacre and white supremacist infiltration in the police force and working with politicians are things that seem like unbelievable fiction to people, but introducing and confronting people with those ideas, which are very based in reality, offset some of the clunky handling, under-exploration of themes, and many other flaws for me.
The police chief was part of a KKK-like group, but that was it.
I think some people like this because it's a shiny good looking show with some sci-fi and mystery elements, but if you think about it for a bit the premise is half-baked. It tried though I guess. Like Alan Moore has stated many times : make your own thing; make something new. Or at least reinvent a story, trope, or characters like he has throughout his career.
Also the heroes are effectively
cops that frequently commit police brutality. Sister Night not only beats suspects, possibly waterboards one, and is even shown in flashback as a kid basically wanting to watch a cop execute someone
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There were more going back to the Hooded Justice episode; although he himself was a cop surrounded by KKK colleagues. I guess the thing was that it was still a secret society. But this is a fictional universe with Reparations having happened [/spoilers]
Easily one of the greatest single hours of TV ever.
Even more so when you realize who the store owner is supposed to be.
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If anyone has yet to watch this show, and only barely knowledgeable of the source material, please don't spoil yourself. It had one of the most jaw dropping reveals in recent TV history. Maybe obvious to some, sure as hell wasn't to me.
Also if you're a fan of Regina King you're in for a surprise. She puts in an acting clinic while also whipping ass.
Also if you're a fan of Regina King you're in for a surprise. She puts in an acting clinic while also whipping ass.
You mean Spoiler tag who that person is- or spoiler tag my original post?
This is a contextual spoiler for what happens in that episode:
It sure seems like Watchmen turned Donald Trump’s father into one of its racist villains
The "Fred" in Watchmen’s sixth episode has a lot in common with Fred Trump.
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Ah, in the past, yes, sure. In the present, however...
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I wish they had done this last week, so that the Tulsa BS Trump is doing would have been cancelled due to more public outrage.
I can stream it perfectly well from the website from Germany without any VPN shenanigans. That should work for you, too!
So Lindelof delivered in the end? I remember seeing people be doubtful here when it was announced...
Will give it a shot.
Will give it a shot.
This show was a real surprise. Even people who doesn't like super hero stuff (myself included) must watch this, it's really really good. I just recommend people to look up who's Dr. Manhattan, Rorschach, Ozymandias and a brief description of the events in the Watchmen graphic novel, whenever you feel a bit lost in the story.
Episode 5 is one of the best things I watched in TV, ever. Simply phenomenal.
This is among the best HBO shows, same level of quality.
Episode 5 is one of the best things I watched in TV, ever. Simply phenomenal.
This is among the best HBO shows, same level of quality.
You mean Spoiler tag who that person is- or spoiler tag my original post?
This is a contextual spoiler for what happens in that episode:
It sure seems like Watchmen turned Donald Trump’s father into one of its racist villains
The "Fred" in Watchmen’s sixth episode has a lot in common with Fred Trump.
Holy shit, I consumed all media surrounding this show and still did not know about this. Well fucking done.
This is a pretty galling and reductive statement. Especially since this show started out by showing the Tulsa race riots. I'm not going to say it's an A+ examination of race in America, but I still felt it was way more thoughtful than other shows that try to tip-toe around the subject.
I think what's great about the show is that it took a cue from Watchmen and wrapped its story in the political issues of its day. In the 80s when the graphic novel came out it was set against the Cold War and the threat of Nuclear weapons. In the show, it's modern day and race driven politics and White Supremacy controlled police set the story.
Not having watched it, I'm pretty surprised at the unanimous praise, especially on a board like Era that pretty much never agrees on anything. People saying it's as good as the comic or that it elevates it have me definitely paying attention. Hopefully it's also available in Spain this weekend!
Edit: OK, nearly unanimous praise. Still.
Edit: OK, nearly unanimous praise. Still.
I actually think Ozy and Laurie are utilized pretty well and their presence feels organic. It's Manhattan who totally overwhelms the show at the end. that entire plot should have been rewritten because its pretty clunky. /SPOILER]
Is there any way to watch this on an Xbox One or PS4 if I don't have an HBO account? Looks like its just streaming via their web browser...
