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Has there ever been an actual "<insert popular IP> killer"?
- Thread starter Morrigan
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As a lifelong fan of Medal of Honor, I don't really agree. The later games in the series felt like thumbs-down versions of whatever CoD was doing. There's so much you could do with the WW2 setting to give a game more character. Remember that Medal of Honor used to be stealth based? Mostly due to the limitations of the PS1, admittedly, but that was part of its charm. Heck if I recall not a single level in the very first game even took place during the day (to hide the fact the skybox was only two pixels across) and some levels had you doing crazy jumps and mild platforming.
Imagine if they went back to that and ran with it. I've long wished there was a Medal of Honor reboot that was actually more of a spiritual successor to The Saboteur. You know, rather than a bronze medalist behind Call of Duty and Battlefield.
Maybe "killed" is a bit of an overstatement but Uncharted definitely took the crown and moved from Tomb Raider Killer to its own massive IP and it took some time for Tomb Raider to come back with a game that could stand against Uncharted.
Forza series sorta took over a lot of GT space for sure.
GT doesnt have the same pull that it did in the early days.
GT doesnt have the same pull that it did in the early days.
Yup, this is the one I always think of when this question gets asked.
Uncharted as a Tomb Raider Killer.
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
This new game from Naughty Dog features jungle adventures in a Pitfall-esque setting.www.gamespot.com
Tomb Raider is an interesting one. Started off inspired in part by the Prince of Persia games and fared much better than that that series' first attempt into 3D (Prince of Persia... 3D). Then Tomb Raider lost its way and the Sands of Time trilogy did really well. The first Crystal Dynamics TR trilogy seems to have some movement mechanics inspired by the Ubi PoP trilogy. The Uncharted games are partly inspired by the Tomb Raider games. Then the second CD Tomb Raider trilogy borrows heavily in turn from Uncharted.
Personally I'd like to see Tomb Raider go back to its roots with well-crafted levels as opposed to open worlds and more focus on actual Tomb Raiding and platforming. I'd also like to see it borrow more from the PoP Ubi games in terms of smooth movement.
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare killed Halo. Franchise has never had the same amount of relevance since then
They were never really in direct competition. And even when the Tomb Raider reboot games came on the scene, they coexisted just fine with Uncharted.Uncharted as a Tomb Raider Killer.
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
This new game from Naughty Dog features jungle adventures in a Pitfall-esque setting.
Cod and WoW are the only real examples IMO. As they both pretty much eradicated their original opposition (COD/Everquest).
PUBG vs Fortnite was definitely an impact. But PUBG is still raking in all kinds of money. So that's more "made less popular" than being an actual killer.
PUBG vs Fortnite was definitely an impact. But PUBG is still raking in all kinds of money. So that's more "made less popular" than being an actual killer.
I wouldn't call Forza a GT killer when Sport has sold 8+ million units, I don't think FM shifts units like that (and that's no longer a fair comparison since Forza is now a jewel in the GamePass crown). They definitely have different strengths and weaknesses though, and I think that's good. They are both excellent, top-teir experiences in my opinion.
On the other hand, Forza Horizon dunks on every other arcadey racer ever (and as somebody who puts Burnout Paradise in their top 20, I don't say this lightly). I tried playing NFS when it was free with PS+, and all I could think about was how I'd rather be playing Forza Horizon. I think it's the best thing MS makes.
On the other hand, Forza Horizon dunks on every other arcadey racer ever (and as somebody who puts Burnout Paradise in their top 20, I don't say this lightly). I tried playing NFS when it was free with PS+, and all I could think about was how I'd rather be playing Forza Horizon. I think it's the best thing MS makes.
Since the developers of MOH: Allied Assault went on to make COD, it was technically an evolution of their own game.
I feel like a lot of PS3 Sony games were framed as Nintendo killers.
ModNation Racers > Mario Kart
PS Allstars Battle Royale > Smash
Little Big Planet > 2D Mario
Though maybe that was just the message board console wars of that era.
ModNation Racers > Mario Kart
PS Allstars Battle Royale > Smash
Little Big Planet > 2D Mario
Though maybe that was just the message board console wars of that era.
In this sense, "killer" means something different. In other words, "X Game is huge, it's the biggest thing, it's got a huge legacy, it's a system seller. Years go by and oh yeah, well, we've got Y Game, it's even better than X Game, this will be the one that people care about now, not that old X Game!!" Usually ends in a dud.
That's what I was going to post. I think there's an argument for "WoW as the Everquest killer", yeah. Although Everquest wasn't exactly wiped out with WoW, just WoW eclipsed all perception of how successful an MMO could realistically be.
I was under the impression the OP of this thread was about companies and publications themselves advertising "game X is the game Y-killer".
Those games have been feeding off each other since the 90s as part of a sort of tomb/puzzle/action/platformer genre. Maybe call it the "tomb" genre? But you're missing one of the major influences there -- Ico.
OG Prince of Persia --> OG Tomb Raider --> Ico --> Sands of Time --> Tomb Raider Legend --> Uncharted --> nu-Tomb Raider.
God of War is also kinda off there to the side, taking it all in.
Yeah, Forza wasn't a killer, but it definitely forced Gran Turismo to improve, as FM3 and FM4 ate GT's lunch back in gen 7. Not to mention the long wait for GT5 and then upon release getting beat in awards by Need for Speed, and releasing GT6 after the launch of the PS4. I don't think GT goes for the Sport route if they hadn't been forced by Forza
Because it's difficult, really. I can't recall many games / publishers or media saying or doing that, aside from 90's stuff like magazines. But even then.. not so much.
Which for example is why I myself talked about MMO games. They weren't ouright saying they 'we're going to kill WoW' but more that 'we are doing things different and mostly better' and then the community / hype itself made it out to be some WoW killer and well, we all know how that went. In those cases it never really was the publishers or anything, but hype itself killing stuff (obviously fed by the publisher, remember Wildstar hype? lol)
I can't think of many examples that outright said they would 'kill game x'
Yes Fortnite surely killed PUBG, a game that sold 50 million copies in Early Access(70+ million currently), and still hits 400k concurrent players a day on Steam...
The irrational, ignorant hate for PUBG on this forum has always been mind-numbing.
Yeah if you compare the last two entries to the beginning of the series they're pretty ass from a MoH standpoint, but even then I enjoyed the 2010 game a hell of a lot more than most CoD games. Even Warfighter (although that MP was so trash. The 2010 had an okay MP).
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People just don't read the OP. Won't be the first time 🙃
I think EIDOS achieved that title on its own, by milking the devs till they were out.
Is Valorant currently trying to do that against CSGO? I don't follow either of the scenes at all, but I have heard of a lot of CSGO pros moving over to Valorant instead now and the game is certainly gaining traction.
GT games sell a lot but still less than 10mil nowadays. Unless we're only talking realistic racing series, Mario Kart is the racing video game series.
This is a good one. TNFS came out in '94 and pretty much ate Test Drive's lunch, and it never recovered after that. Heck, the people who made Test Drive went on to make NFS, as EA bought Test Drive's developer (Distinctive Software) in '92. And if TDU3 is anything like TDU2, I wouldn't expect a comeback, especially with the racing game market being so small these days.
I've always interpreted "killer" in this context to "usurping status as the de facto example of the genre and overtaking in mindshare".
Based on this, I'd say for example Forza is for sure a GT killer, even though the latter is still certainly successful and well regarded.
CoD 100% was developed with killing Medal of Honor as a goal, was made by a lot of the people who worked on MoH and it's development/project name was literally "MoH killer" before they came up with Call of Duty. Many years later a lot the same people jumpship to make a so called "CoD Killer" Titanfall, less successful the second time, but a fun little story.
I agree with the rest though, would also not class Uncharted as I don't think it's goal was ever to kill Tomb Raider it was just an inspiration, hence the "Dude Raider" project title.
feel like it's hard to tell since covid really cut off any big esports momentum around launch. but CSGO seems way too big to actually be killed. probably just leeching off any pros that are bored of CSGO, didn't make it in the game or smell a bigger paycheck there.
If we count games that were able to capitalize on really bad entries in the series they killed then Cities Skylines killed Sim City so badly they are still finding bits of the body.
That being said I think there's a big difference between being "an X killer" and being opportunistic or lucky with release times.
That being said I think there's a big difference between being "an X killer" and being opportunistic or lucky with release times.
