A year of DLC ain't that uncommon. You can do that without being Destiny.
There's a Gamespot interview as well:
www.gamespot.com
Really interesting questions and answers here that clarify or further explain things, some choice excerpts:
Great to see the city being more dynamic as an ecosystem with actual people. Interesting to see their comment about the police patrolling and doing so rather harshly, I wonder if you'll have to fight them too on ocassion.
This caught my attention too: "but you're also gliding over it or parkouring through it, grappling". Obviously we know these are in the game as we saw them and all, but I wonder if parkouring will have a more in depth system rather than just vaulting or wall-running.
The story thing is a bit unfortunate, especially since it doesn't seem they'll vary things much, so you'll probably get a minimal kind of interaction. I'd be more than fine with missions when you're forced to control a character and have more personalized dialogue and more elaborate cutscenes like that.
Gotham Knights Devs On If Batman Is Really Dead, Gameplay Structure, And More
WB Montreal discusses its new game set in the Batman universe, making a distinctly new story, how the RPG systems work, and more.
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Really interesting questions and answers here that clarify or further explain things, some choice excerpts:
Great to see the city being more dynamic as an ecosystem with actual people. Interesting to see their comment about the police patrolling and doing so rather harshly, I wonder if you'll have to fight them too on ocassion.
This caught my attention too: "but you're also gliding over it or parkouring through it, grappling". Obviously we know these are in the game as we saw them and all, but I wonder if parkouring will have a more in depth system rather than just vaulting or wall-running.
The story thing is a bit unfortunate, especially since it doesn't seem they'll vary things much, so you'll probably get a minimal kind of interaction. I'd be more than fine with missions when you're forced to control a character and have more personalized dialogue and more elaborate cutscenes like that.
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There's a Gamespot interview as well:
Gotham Knights Devs On If Batman Is Really Dead, Gameplay Structure, And More
WB Montreal discusses its new game set in the Batman universe, making a distinctly new story, how the RPG systems work, and more.
Really interesting answers here that clarify or further explain things, some choice excerpts:
Great to see the city being more dynamic as an ecosystem with actual people. Interesting to see their comment about the police patrolling and doing so rather harshly, I wonder if you'll have to fight them too on ocassion.
This caught my attention too: " but you're also gliding over it or parkouring through it, grappling". Obviously we know these are in the game as we saw them and all, but I wonder if parkouring will have a more in depth system rather than just vaulting or wall-running.
They really want us to believe Batman is dead huh lol.
The ecosystem of Gotham sounds really cool, can't wait to see more of it.
Yeah lmao. I feel bad tbh, there's no way to answer that question without people not going "oh, yeah, he's alive", especially if they something like "no comment".
I'm very interested to see what kind of random crimes they'll have, especially now that there are citizens and people live "normally". The ones in Spider-Man were so goddamn repetitive, only fun because of the great combat system.
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Batman is dead and Captain America is dead! Cap is even in the Avengers box as a memorial for his sacrifice.
Why can't you people believe devs?
I was a little frustrated with the game, but after those interviews my hype was restored.
Especially these lines:
Those kind of things related with the open world was what I most wanted from the game.
Especially these lines:
Those kind of things related with the open world was what I most wanted from the game.
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Nightwing better have some big cheeks.
I knew that Freeflow was gone from the trailer. Probably doesn't make sense in an open world co-op game anyway.
Mad that a while back we had too many Arkham games back to back and they were getting a bit repetitive and now we are cold turkey for the foreseeable.
Mad that a while back we had too many Arkham games back to back and they were getting a bit repetitive and now we are cold turkey for the foreseeable.
Could just be like GTAV. Open world play as anyone, but story missions would probably be character specific. With some probably being able to alternate.
Thats my guess at least.
Bummer about no free flow. Guess it's back to the light/heavy/block/dodge? With some gadgets tossed in, I guess.
New stories sounds like expansions. Expansion does not a GAAS make (for me).
-limited time offer loot, constant drip feed of stuff that tries to get you to play the game for weekly/monthly challenges + w/e else that's designed to keep "ongoing engagement" rather than making the game a finished experience- that's what i consider GAAS.
New stories sounds like expansions. Expansion does not a GAAS make (for me).
-limited time offer loot, constant drip feed of stuff that tries to get you to play the game for weekly/monthly challenges + w/e else that's designed to keep "ongoing engagement" rather than making the game a finished experience- that's what i consider GAAS.
Sadly in the new Gamespot interview that is posted above they confirm that this is not their approach and you can play any mission with any character and the overall story will play the same:
The combat looks freeflow enough to me; it just lacks those one hit takedowns once combo chains start going, making it more like Spider-Man's take on the combat IMO.
That's a boon to me.
The game taking place across multiple days is the best change that could've ever happened.
That's a boon to me.
The game taking place across multiple days is the best change that could've ever happened.
I realize Suicide Squad does, relegating Court of Owls to a spin-off unrelated to the franchise is a travesty, tbh...
Why are some of y'all so hung up on the GAAS term? Arkham Knight had a ton of additional content available after release.
It's honestly fine that Gotham Knights is a spin-off. At least this way they aren't forced to carry Arkham's baggage so they can do their own thing. I do think Rocksteady's Arkham would be a better style and tone for the Court of Owls compared to the more cartoony feeling Gotham Knights gives off.
The lack of Freeflow combat is a really big turnoff for me. Both they and Rocksteady seemed to struggle evolving it somewhat with their respective games but it was so solid that I find it odd that both WB Montreal and Rocksteady would drop it entirely for their new games. I still plan to give this game a fair shake as I liked what I saw of it but I really hope the end result was worth killing off Freeflow combat.
I had the chance to chat to the WB Montreal team as well. Unfortunately due to timezones, my slot was after the IGN one even went live, but I think there's some interesting tidbits in ours.
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We Spoke To WB Montreal And Got All The Juicy Gotham Knights Details
We Spoke To WB Montreal And Got All The Juicy Gotham Knights Details
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iow, it now looks like every other 3rd person action game, eh? yeah, i agree - freeflow will be missed...
I had the chance to chat to the WB Montreal team as well. Unfortunately due to timezones, my slot was after the IGN one even went live, but I think there's some interesting tidbits in ours.
We Spoke To WB Montreal And Got All The Juicy Gotham Knights Details
We Spoke To WB Montreal And Got All The Juicy Gotham Knights Details
Good to know dmg numbers can be turned off.
It's funny because nothing about the combat is described as being Souls-like and the little bit we saw of didn't necessarily scream Souls to me but I also immediately thought "oh they're going to do Souls combat" when it was stated that they were dropping Freeflow combat.
I didn't even consider this but that makes total sense.
it`s hard to not think the worst lol
that being said, im over it. bring it on
Yeah, this isn't encouraging. I like the Arkham combat so getting their take on a Marvel's Avengers type of GaaS game appeals to me. But if the story isn't really tailored made to the characters we are playing and they aren't even thinking about adding new characters with different player styles and moves, my expectations took a hit. This would be the perfect opportunity to give us Gotham By GaaSlight, introducing Black Canary, Green Arrow or if they truly wanted to go nuts, someone like Clay Face and even Gotham Girl:
If there is no difference on their power sets, the appeal seems to be "Arkham, but coop". And that's great, but it could be so much more.
The bummer about no freeflow is that nothing is like it. So many games tried to ape it with zero success. Mad Max and LOTR are fine but feel nothing like it. Remember that TMNT game that tried it? Out of the shadows or something, that was horrible. Even Arkham Origins feels different from the Rocksteady Batman games.
Ew. I thought they'd have quests tired to characters. That really makes me worry for the writing.
Wow, I'm amazed at everyone equating room for growth = GaaS in this thread.
GaaS is Destiny, Fortnite, Fall Guys, GTA Online where you have seasons and battle passes and weekly challenges where they expect you to be on and playing the game constantly. Avengers is gonna be GaaS. GaaS wants you spending money weekly, monthly, etc.
Witcher 3 was not GaaS but added new stories. Same for Control. Ghost of Tsushima isnt GaaS because it's adding a new co-op mode. Horizon: Zero Dawn and Spider-Man aren't GaaS because they had DLC expansions. These games ask you for one extra single-game cost for their expansions
Gotham Knights is probably gonna fall in the latter based on what the developers said. It's not that hard to parse.
GaaS is Destiny, Fortnite, Fall Guys, GTA Online where you have seasons and battle passes and weekly challenges where they expect you to be on and playing the game constantly. Avengers is gonna be GaaS. GaaS wants you spending money weekly, monthly, etc.
Witcher 3 was not GaaS but added new stories. Same for Control. Ghost of Tsushima isnt GaaS because it's adding a new co-op mode. Horizon: Zero Dawn and Spider-Man aren't GaaS because they had DLC expansions. These games ask you for one extra single-game cost for their expansions
Gotham Knights is probably gonna fall in the latter based on what the developers said. It's not that hard to parse.
The reality is that free flow combat would not work with level gating and co-op. Let's hope they nail the combat and it has enough depth and variety of enemy types to keep things engaging.
Spiderman def had free flow combat in its DNA. I personally found the combat in Spider-Man too easy, the gadgets were OP, and there wasn't enough variety in enemy types. Don't get me started on the stealth sections.....
Spiderman def had free flow combat in its DNA. I personally found the combat in Spider-Man too easy, the gadgets were OP, and there wasn't enough variety in enemy types. Don't get me started on the stealth sections.....
Yeah, about the only thing that I'm worried as of now is the story, as the rest sounds good (or even really good) and the concerns about this being more, say, Destiny than Arkham in terms of structure are gone.
I really want more nuance and personalized cutscenes when it comes to certain characters, like, say, Nightwing having some meaningful interactions and unique events relating to Deathstroke, for example. If the changes are minimum, I don't expect a whole lot of elaborate cutscenes, to be honest.
Also, the fact that they don't have specific-character missions means that you probably won't have much in the way of interaction between the playable characters beyond the Belfry, as you will always, seemingly, be able to play as whoever you want (and the coop character doesn't show up in cutscenes). Let's see, but yeah, this is the main concern right now. The rest I'm actually really excited about after being kinda doubtful during the first day (but obviously still excited and hopeful).
Nice that you can turn numbers off (or that they have that into account), good question lol.
I really want more nuance and personalized cutscenes when it comes to certain characters, like, say, Nightwing having some meaningful interactions and unique events relating to Deathstroke, for example. If the changes are minimum, I don't expect a whole lot of elaborate cutscenes, to be honest.
Also, the fact that they don't have specific-character missions means that you probably won't have much in the way of interaction between the playable characters beyond the Belfry, as you will always, seemingly, be able to play as whoever you want (and the coop character doesn't show up in cutscenes). Let's see, but yeah, this is the main concern right now. The rest I'm actually really excited about after being kinda doubtful during the first day (but obviously still excited and hopeful).
Great job, thanks for posting!I had the chance to chat to the WB Montreal team as well. Unfortunately due to timezones, my slot was after the IGN one even went live, but I think there's some interesting tidbits in ours.
We Spoke To WB Montreal And Got All The Juicy Gotham Knights Details
We Spoke To WB Montreal And Got All The Juicy Gotham Knights Details
Nice that you can turn numbers off (or that they have that into account), good question lol.
Thank you.
It's like people want to connect the term GaaS to this game just so they can easily shit on it.
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The fact that you can play any mission as any character means that there won't be any narrative structure or character development. It seems to be just go take down this boss, then another boss. My expectations are really low now, so on the flip side I can only be impressed.